EPT[The International 8] Main Event - Day 2 - Page 37
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Yurie
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Kishin2
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Yurie
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On August 22 2018 11:38 Kishin2 wrote: I don't know what's happening but VP is winning. No detection so Clinkz could start teamfight with a free kill. | ||
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Shergal
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Yurie
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On August 22 2018 11:40 Shergal wrote: what is UP with teams and invisible heroes Invis = invincibility WK aghs has been super popular this tournament. Never seen it work out all that great though. edit, a more serious responce. Invis costs money for supports. So they are poor and can't afford save items. Allowing the invis heroes to keep feeding off them. Late games cores can't carry detection so if you pick off supports you can often just walk away. The other thing we see with treant and nyx is scouting . Free ward and setup that you need to spend 100 gold a minute as support to make less effective, not stop. | ||
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Kishin2
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Shergal
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On August 22 2018 11:41 Yurie wrote: Invis = invincibility WK aghs has been super popular this tournament. Never seen it work out all that great though. edit, a more serious responce. Invis costs money for supports. So they are poor and can't afford save items. Allowing the invis heroes to keep feeding off them. Late games cores can't carry detection so if you pick off supports you can often just walk away. this has always been true, however in the past top teams have never been so sloppy with preemptive sentries and generally knowing how to move against invis threat | ||
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Yurie
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On August 22 2018 11:42 Kishin2 wrote: I don't know what happened but Mineski won that. 2 people walked uphill into 5. Then the rest 3 were on lowground with miss chance and having to move through a choke point. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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Shergal
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Yurie
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On August 22 2018 11:43 Shergal wrote: this has always been true, however in the past top teams have never been so sloppy with preemptive sentries and generally knowing how to move against invis threat I think it is an evolving game. You have the defensive side with sentries and positioning working against it. Then offensive side that splits map, gets money and moves around your moves. I think people have become better at dodging the 5 man balls that invis prompts and splitting up for money advantage. Position 6 supports aren't wanted any longer either. It was them that used to get all that detection. Now you want a saving or initiating item even on them so they skimp as much as they can. | ||
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Kishin2
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Wineandbread
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On August 22 2018 11:46 Ramiz1989 wrote: Very unlucky aegis timeout. Hardly anything but unlucky, both teams for sure know aegis timers. Wasn't it on invoker anyway? edit: never mind i'm dumb; aegis timers they knew for sure though | ||
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Stancel
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Yurie
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On August 22 2018 11:47 Kishin2 wrote: Spending all your networth on wards as a 5 support is actually so fun. Feels good when you win the game with most spent on support items. Feels horrible when you lose. Always feel like blaming my teammates, even though most of the time it was me they were feeding on.  | ||
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Shergal
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On August 22 2018 11:46 Yurie wrote: I think it is an evolving game. You have the defensive side with sentries and positioning working against it. Then offensive side that splits map, gets money and moves around your moves. I think people have become better at dodging the 5 man balls that invis prompts and splitting up for money advantage. Position 6 supports aren't wanted any longer either. It was them that used to get all that detection. Now you want a saving or initiating item even on them so they skimp as much as they can. if you don't have detection, then don't make moves that blatantly play into invis heroes' advantage. it's just sloppy moves like serenity trying to 3-man push a t1 against a nyx and having no cover, or mineski being set up for like a minute and not putting a sentry on the most likely clinkz path | ||
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Yurie
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On August 22 2018 11:48 Shergal wrote: if you don't have detection, then don't make moves that blatantly play into invis heroes' advantage. it's just sloppy moves like serenity trying to 3-man push a t1 against a nyx and having no cover, or mineski being set up for like a minute and not putting a sentry on the most likely clinkz path I agree it is sloppy. The problem comes in the mixed message they get. They need items and detection and the team never clears up that they should just ignore items and a pos 3 getting vlad or something is needed to compensate. | ||
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