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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Poll: ESL One Birmingham ChampionVirtus Pro (25) 69% Optic Gaming (11) 31% 36 total votes Your vote: ESL One Birmingham Champion (Vote): Optic Gaming
(Vote): Virtus Pro
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
head says VP, heart says Optic. Would be really sad to only see one of Optic or VGJ.S make it from NA.
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VP takes 4th major today & breaks into 10k DPC points..!!
No polls for Fnatic vs Pain?
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We better see Meepo & Techies in the 3rd place match.
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Lol, the 3 NA teams are currently #9, 10 & 11 in DPC points.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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Lalalaland34495 Posts
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give everyone on VP a Benz so its fair imo...
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Time for the 40k $ clownfest
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I love that the crowd boo'd DK, haha.
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Just EE things, followed by the pain tips lol
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Both teams actually want to win, darn.
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On May 27 2018 19:52 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Both teams actually want to win, darn.
Except EE, he wants to do EE things
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why they should not try to win? It is a difference of 40k$ and 150 DPC-Points/Player, thats enough to try to win i guess
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On May 27 2018 19:54 Gamble28 wrote:
why they should not try to win? It is a difference of 40k$ and 150 DPC-Points/Player, thats enough to try to win i guess
Points are meaningless, both teams cant get enough points to qualify for TI as they aint in supermajor
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what happens if a team that is qualified somehow cant go to TI? Maybe the next highest Team get invited but i dont know so i guess go for as much points as u can get is a good thing to do
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bm tipping is the best thing happens after wheel and fire invention
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Nice paiN ;-)
And yeah, BM tipping is fun for spectators.
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Lalalaland34495 Posts
Atmosphere here is pretty good
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there's just 0 hype for me in 3/4 match in any game ... no matter who's there or what happens 
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Watching Envy teams I never know when they will demolish their opponent or get clowned on
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
tuned in just in time to see fnatic throw 
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wtf fnatic could easily save ee there
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Netherlands45349 Posts
being an Envy fan is never easy.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
being an Envy fan is suffering
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Duster, the hero we deserve
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This game is a fucking clowfiesta.
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if the likes of fnatic pain and optic are into top 4 of major, i blame the tournament format
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Is there a stream for the English cast? I can't watch through the client right now.
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On May 27 2018 22:10 Sqalevon wrote:
Is there a stream for the English cast? I can't watch through the client right now.
On facebook LUL
BSJ on Twitch with 20k viewers. How many on facebook btw?
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900 hp pool on Morphling won't last you against that.
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
On May 27 2018 22:10 Sqalevon wrote:
Is there a stream for the English cast? I can't watch through the client right now.
esl.atx.sx
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On May 27 2018 22:13 DwD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 22:10 Sqalevon wrote:
Is there a stream for the English cast? I can't watch through the client right now. On facebook LUL BSJ on Twitch with 20k viewers. How many on facebook btw?
23k, we will see for the finals. Still a lot less than what we would have on twitch.
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It's the birth of SA dotao!!
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Lalalaland34495 Posts
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how is it possible for every EE team to play well have a lead and then bam lose Oo
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On May 27 2018 22:14 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 22:10 Sqalevon wrote:
Is there a stream for the English cast? I can't watch through the client right now. esl.atx.sx
Thx!
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On May 27 2018 22:09 Snakesneaks wrote:
if the likes of fnatic pain and optic are into top 4 of major, i blame the tournament format
You can sort of blame Liquid going out on the format I guess, but for the rest it's more that lots of supposedly good teams are really struggling. EG, Newbee, and VG (to an extent) all look lost. Plus the best/second best team in the world's not there.
The gap between VP/LGD and the rest (excluding Liquid if they're playing well) seems huge to me right now.
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On May 27 2018 22:09 Snakesneaks wrote:
if the likes of fnatic pain and optic are into top 4 of major, i blame the tournament format
its to easy to only blame this shit ESL format.
Pain and Optic showing top performance, VG and Liquid playing bad and EG and Newbee beeing bad also helped a lot.
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that countdown is the dumbest shit i have ever seen
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
Sven... meh. not compelled by that pick. we'll see how it works out.
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
haha never mind, optic getting dumpstered. in their early game they had no bounty rune control, no vision, and they fell for some bad baits. hope this isn't just a 3-0.
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love VP's style, hope them or LGD win this year's TI
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On May 27 2018 23:36 Nocticate wrote:
haha never mind, optic getting dumpstered. in their early game they had no bounty rune control, no vision, and they fell for some bad baits. hope this isn't just a 3-0.
It looks like 3-0 tbh, this is one of the Optic's best drafts, all 3 of their cores got heroes they are quite good at and if they are getting crushed this much, it doesn't look good for them.
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Just feels like the skill difference between VP and Optic is too big at this time. Only way I see VP loosing this series is tilting themselves.
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The amount of chat spam has crossed the line from having harmless fun to just BM spam.
Even if it's fine to win the game using whatever Valve provides including psychological means, I find it really hard to like this team.
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ok how do you even recover from a loss like that
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Zai missed like every stun. Rather representative for this game by optic
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Watching VP/LGD play vs other teams is a completly different game, the games are just not close
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On May 27 2018 23:44 babysimba wrote:
The amount of chat spam has crossed the line from having harmless fun to just BM spam.
Even if it's fine to win the game using whatever Valve provides including psychological means, I find it really hard to like this team.
Haven't played Dota in a few months now. Do those messages show up in all chat?
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On May 27 2018 23:51 Aldehyde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 23:44 babysimba wrote:
The amount of chat spam has crossed the line from having harmless fun to just BM spam.
Even if it's fine to win the game using whatever Valve provides including psychological means, I find it really hard to like this team. Haven't played Dota in a few months now. Do those messages show up in all chat?
some of them yes
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yikes I hope the other games aren't like that
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On May 27 2018 23:44 babysimba wrote:
The amount of chat spam has crossed the line from having harmless fun to just BM spam.
Even if it's fine to win the game using whatever Valve provides including psychological means, I find it really hard to like this team.
Tipping and all chat messages are the best thing about this major.
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On May 27 2018 23:51 Aldehyde wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 23:44 babysimba wrote:
The amount of chat spam has crossed the line from having harmless fun to just BM spam.
Even if it's fine to win the game using whatever Valve provides including psychological means, I find it really hard to like this team. Haven't played Dota in a few months now. Do those messages show up in all chat?
Those that say "Allies" after the players name show just to allies, those that don't show in all chat.
I don't even understand people that complain about this, all teams have been trolling each other, the games before this between Fnatic and Pain were spammed as well. Somehow people choose what is BM and what isn't based on how much the team spams rofl.
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The biggest surprise to me is that there are people who believe that VP will not just stomp Optic into the ground. VP is on a completely different level.
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On May 27 2018 23:52 Gamble28 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 23:51 Aldehyde wrote:On May 27 2018 23:44 babysimba wrote:
The amount of chat spam has crossed the line from having harmless fun to just BM spam.
Even if it's fine to win the game using whatever Valve provides including psychological means, I find it really hard to like this team. Haven't played Dota in a few months now. Do those messages show up in all chat? some of them yes
Okay, thanks.
I think I'm okay with that as long as those who use it realize that they might be viewed as villains.
On May 27 2018 23:54 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2018 23:51 Aldehyde wrote:On May 27 2018 23:44 babysimba wrote:
The amount of chat spam has crossed the line from having harmless fun to just BM spam.
Even if it's fine to win the game using whatever Valve provides including psychological means, I find it really hard to like this team. Haven't played Dota in a few months now. Do those messages show up in all chat? Those that say "Allies" after the players name show just to allies, those that don't show in all chat. I don't even understand people that complain about this, all teams have been trolling each other, the games before this between Fnatic and Pain were spammed as well. Somehow people choose what is BM and what isn't based on how much the team spams rofl.
Couldn't remember if that was the case for those sorts of chat commands previously. I seem to recall some being only for allies despite lacking the "Allies" tag. I'm probably wrong about that however.
At this point Valve should just add taunts like they work in HoN. Biggest feature of HoN that I miss.
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I think the biggest question is, who of the remaining VP members will get a new car today
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On May 27 2018 23:55 Xurr wrote:
The biggest surprise to me is that there are people who believe that VP will not just stomp Optic into the ground. VP is on a completely different level.
It's Dota bro, everything can happen.
I am sure Optic has the potential to win games against VP, PPD is a great captain and VP can throw game with their overconfidence.
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On May 27 2018 23:56 ragnorr wrote:
I think the biggest question is, who of the remaining VP members will get a new car today
Probably none if the wheel is on the right, better sell it.
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You know the game is hard when BSJ doesn’t even mention the dead lane.
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VP beard game is insanely strong <3
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VP draft is so fucking scary already
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correction: VP draft is whack, could still work though
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
veno is pretty gud lol. if optic don't just get run over they outscale VP hard but... I don't think they're gonna last.
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VP's teamfight is nasty but if they ever have to split they're not nearly as strong
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which game is it? I do not see it in the overlay
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
bot is such a great kill lane for Optic. early game is looking so much better for them than last game but midgame is where VP really shines
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this veno taking gale first was the right pick, but he doesn't have the lane to abuse it or the heros on his team to do that in the early game either
if you pick veno like this and can't win the lane with level 1 gale, you have to forget skilling it anymore and get 1 point in poison and max your wards so you can farm and hold your lane and remain relevant
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
these fights are crazy. i think long fights favor VP because of rum, veno, and warlock.
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Kunkka is really good right now, pubs are infested with him.
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
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still only 1k tho, scary for optic
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if the game keeps staying even/tower advantage for optic, only some crazy kunkka/bond stuff can save VP
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United States15275 Posts
On May 28 2018 00:45 Nocticate wrote:
VP getting VP'd by Optic
VP is still at a slight advantage. Optic definitely wanted to be farther ahead considering VP's high ground defense.
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United States15275 Posts
Now they're just feeding.
Pasha should've went Blink/Necro instead of SB.
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damn, vp probably gonna win off this aegis
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
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VP are just another level, never had the impression they were behind.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
honestly how the fuck does VP do it everytime
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while VP got picked quite often, they were only trailing 5 k gold
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optic need a solution to beastmaster casually blinking onto hg
a hex would probably be ideal, multiple hexes would win them this game
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
all these buybacks, what a ridiculous mechanic in the late midgame.
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this is gonna be a weird lategame
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United States15275 Posts
Tidebringer + Fatal Bonds + Poison Nova + Natural Order. Wew lad.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
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when shitty formats let shitty teams get too far this is the finals you get
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On May 28 2018 01:25 apes wrote:
when shitty formats let shitty teams get too far this is the finals you get
still mad that EG fucked up in the groupstage?
this game could have gone in both ways btw
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its just disgusting how good VP is ^^
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
On May 28 2018 01:25 apes wrote:
when shitty formats let shitty teams get too far this is the finals you get
can u chill? liquid played like shit and optic are probably the second best team in this tournament.
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well optic held out longer than I thought
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many tombstone placements were garbage
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On May 28 2018 01:25 apes wrote:
when shitty formats let shitty teams get too far this is the finals you get
optic were 1 kunkka kill away from winning for a good five minutes
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United States15275 Posts
Casters are really ragging on VP for not steamrolling the laning stage with a lategame composition? It's not like Optic could have sieged high ground without Aegis and a +10K lead, so VP never let them have both simultaneously.
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On May 28 2018 01:25 apes wrote:
when shitty formats let shitty teams get too far this is the finals you get
I don't think Optic is shitty tho, they're constantly improving every tournament, and Pajkatt has come a long way to being a top carry.
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On May 28 2018 01:27 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Casters are really ragging on VP for not steamrolling the laning stage with a lategame composition?
Just watch ruski stream, its more fun than I thought it'd be :D
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On May 28 2018 01:25 apes wrote:
when shitty formats let shitty teams get too far this is the finals you get
what the hell man?
i too dislike ppd (because of his attitude towards pain huge disrespect that time regarding servers)
but Optic seriously deserve their spot in finals
their FORM is very solid, id say they can beat any other team out there besides VP, including PSG.
its no fault of the tournament or anything, dont be so biased
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taking out the mighty fnatic gaming in the semifinals of a major is definitely a sign that optic is a top team and not a sign that the format is dogshit. ok
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On May 28 2018 01:29 apes wrote:
taking out the mighty fnatic gaming in the semifinals of a major is definitely a sign that optic is a top team and not a sign that the format is dogshit. ok
something something down a river and paddling downstream
if you're trying to make everyone not like you with your shitty attitude it's working
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On May 28 2018 01:29 apes wrote:
taking out the mighty fnatic gaming in the semifinals of a major is definitely a sign that optic is a top team and not a sign that the format is dogshit. ok
im just saying they have ALL of their players (not just their cores)
very comfortable with good heroes this meta, they have skillful players too
with a few pocket strats and winning comfort drafts
sure one of them is a biased piece of shit, but his team has the makings for it
lets say theyre like VGJT++ (optic is better) back when the patch-meta favors them, its the form of many a TI winners, in very good timing approaching TI too
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On May 28 2018 01:26 Gamble28 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 01:25 apes wrote:
when shitty formats let shitty teams get too far this is the finals you get still mad that EG fucked up in the groupstage? this game could have gone in both ways btw
optic never pressed their timings and got crushed in the crucial moments, so not close.
but they felt like one of the stronger teams
i expect troll picks now
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
On May 28 2018 01:29 apes wrote:
taking out the mighty fnatic gaming in the semifinals of a major is definitely a sign that optic is a top team and not a sign that the format is dogshit. ok
i think you're confusing a bad format with bad teams
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I was really hoping this would be anything besides a 3-0, but this draft already looks like a VP victory
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Well, format and teams were bad (if you consider T2 bad, like any dota watcher).
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
complete stomp for VP I think.
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I agree that the format is shit, but I wouldn't say the teams are bad, they were all pretty much tier 2, it's just that VP is way above the skill level of everyone else
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United States15275 Posts
I think Optic can actually convert their early game advantage into a win here. VP can't stall out indefinitely on the high ground with these picks.
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I don't see this draft beating a slark
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Swaps galore on Optic haha. I think VP have the heavy firepower this game, Optic need a huge win in the laning stage which i dont think they get. Kotl needs aghs, gem, forcestaff/euls or he is going to be easy pickings for slark after like minute 12.
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Yeah KOTL gonna be free farm for slark, also veno could have a hard life this game.
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United States15275 Posts
Then again, Ramzes is outplaying this aggro lane so hard Optic won't even get a lane win.
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jesus this is depressing
they should have just ended this finals after the first game and saved everyone some time
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LGD vs VGJ.Storm all over again
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that top lane VP rofl sk doom
holy shit how do u play that stronk
@plasmid
correction dude
imo
VP is a tad stronger than tier1 (if ur benchmark is liquid)
optic is ez tier 1.5
psg is pretty inconsistent tbh, but they t1 sure
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i dont think you can really downplay how much damage these shitty formats do to the game. shitty players make tons of money and just stick around shitting up tournament after tournament.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Pre 15 minute shadow blade for Ramzer, oh boy he is going to kill alot of people xd
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you know what rhymes with LGD back to back major champions?
NA molested back to back in major grand finals
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On May 28 2018 02:06 apes wrote:
i dont think you can really downplay how much damage these shitty formats do to the game. shitty players make tons of money and just stick around shitting up tournament after tournament.
pretty much this, but i wouldnt say shitty players.
its more the lack of lower leagues where players still can make a living.
Not enough fresh blood so old blood stays because its to risky to kick em
Valve shouldnt pump their money in making the rich players richer, they need to establish tier 2 to tier 3 leagues.
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On May 28 2018 02:06 apes wrote:
i dont think you can really downplay how much damage these shitty formats do to the game. shitty players make tons of money and just stick around shitting up tournament after tournament.
if u really think that, why are u here complaining about shitty formats and dont play there and get a shitload of money?
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What a boring grand final, just as MDL last week...
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Well that was totally expected
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Rekt so hard, not even fun
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On May 28 2018 02:13 hunter_x wrote:
What a boring grand final, just as MDL last week...
yeah these "NA" teams are so fuckin awful lmao
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VP are Lord of ESL Mercedes
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
VP didn't really get challenged the whole event. Except for the second game in the grandfinals, which was actually pretty close.
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Well played VP.
The best result for VGJ.thunder. Now only TNC, EG or Final Tribe can make it into the top8.
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Giff the Mercedes to ArtStyle! ^^
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VP has 10-0 on ESL One Birmingham
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VP are pretty incredible when on form. Their drafting and play is so strong for the laning phase that most teams don't even have a chance. That's why it's hard to see them crumble all that hard even at TI. I can't see them losing against teams far below them. But of course you only need to lose 1 series in the upper bracket and suddenly they may be against TL or something again in the lower bracket pretty early on.
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There's left one more Mercedes for 9Pasha
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Atm i dont see any other TI grand-final other than LGD-VP...
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Vatican City State2902 Posts
On May 28 2018 02:21 BlazingGlory wrote:
Atm i dont see any other TI grand-final other than LGD-VP...
neither team is invincible. if they meet in UB (which they should if they're the two best teams) one will go down to LB and could very well get taken out by a team that has figured them out enough to take them out.
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Well played VP! This team was on their own level this tournament. Hopefully LGD can put them better to the test in the next one. Or perhaps liquid start play to their ability and find counters to VP.
As for all the other teams I think they can only hope that VP is on the other side of the bracket x)
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Also very good tournament for Optic overall. At least they manage to put up a fight in the second game. I don't think any of the other teams would have fared better.
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On May 28 2018 02:21 BlazingGlory wrote:
Atm i dont see any other TI grand-final other than LGD-VP...
rofl
naw.healthy amount of lack-of-attention has been the common theme for TI-placers
sure they can skill their way up top, but its gonna be low chance, as if u never watched TI rofl.
still think Optics a good contender
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On May 28 2018 02:24 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 02:21 BlazingGlory wrote:
Atm i dont see any other TI grand-final other than LGD-VP... neither team is invincible. if they meet in UB (which they should if they're the two best teams) one will go down to LB and could very well get taken out by a team that has figured them out enough to take them out.
Of course it can happen and the chance aint even that low. But for me it will still be a surprise. The only thing i can see more than others is TL figuring something out...
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On May 28 2018 02:27 267 wrote:
Also very good tournament for Optic overall. At least they manage to put up a fight in the second game. I don't think any of the other teams would have fared better.
this! if u see the performance of the other teams, every single one of them would have get stomped here
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On May 28 2018 02:24 Nocticate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 02:21 BlazingGlory wrote:
Atm i dont see any other TI grand-final other than LGD-VP... neither team is invincible. if they meet in UB (which they should if they're the two best teams) one will go down to LB and could very well get taken out by a team that has figured them out enough to take them out.
Plus LGD has had the better end of their record against VP, but VP are a team that does tend to study the opponents who beat them and come back wiser. Happened against Liquid.
Optic got memed though. The fact that the tournament was only watchable on BSJ’s stream for me made it all the more appropriate.
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dude watching on unofficial streams surely gonna ruin your viewing experience
itd be like watching a dude clicking on "Watch" tab in Dota
(which is exactly what it is)
no tournament feel at all
no wonder so many people are going "SUPER SH!T FORMT (plus eg lozt)"
its really allright for me on live.esl-one . com
crowd esp. is great
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On May 28 2018 02:33 550 wrote:
dude watching on unofficial streams surely gonna ruin your viewing experience
itd be like watching a dude clicking on "Watch" tab in Dota
(which is exactly what it is)
no tournament feel at all
no wonder so many people are going "SUPER SH!T FORMT (plus eg lozt)"
its really allright for me on live.esl-one . com
crowd esp. is great
Does it load on mobile?
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On May 28 2018 02:33 550 wrote:
dude watching on unofficial streams surely gonna ruin your viewing experience
itd be like watching a dude clicking on "Watch" tab in Dota
(which is exactly what it is)
no tournament feel at all
no wonder so many people are going "SUPER SH!T FORMT (plus eg lozt)"
its really allright for me on live.esl-one . com
crowd esp. is great
I'd rather watch BSJ than support a fucking Facebook stream that is only there because ESL wanted to get paid instead of provide a good user experience.
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i duno i had no issues what so ever
(on live.esl-one.com)
whats the bad thing about facebook anyway? isnt it a pretty tame company? dat russ/election/media issue thingy u see on youtube?
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On May 28 2018 02:52 DwD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2018 02:33 550 wrote:
dude watching on unofficial streams surely gonna ruin your viewing experience
itd be like watching a dude clicking on "Watch" tab in Dota
(which is exactly what it is)
no tournament feel at all
no wonder so many people are going "SUPER SH!T FORMT (plus eg lozt)"
its really allright for me on live.esl-one . com
crowd esp. is great
I'd rather watch BSJ than support a fucking Facebook stream that is only there because ESL wanted to get paid instead of provide a good user experience.
Asking for real , as i dont have a facebook account but the facebook stream (which was transparent when using the ESL website) was amazing , better then i get on twitch , what is that user experience that we missed ? really interested to know.
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You need some more clicks to find the stream and miss on the big chat experience which is a plus for me. Stream on ESL site was freezing from time to time for me( especially when i tabbed for longer ), but still quite enjoyable.
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Had the same problem with facebook that the screen froze and i missed some big teams fights as it took time to quite full screen and reload. My cable tv has ESL on, but used fb for 2 channel in group stage. Otherwise good quality without going up and down like Twitch and less adds that interrupt.
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Papua New Guinea504 Posts
Team needs some luck to win the title. LGD can be strong but u can "ask" Mineski to eliminate LGD and then u eliminate Mineski, without head to head match against LGD in which u would probably lose.
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EPT
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