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TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
April 07 2018 12:34 GMT
#461
it honestly doesnt bother me. its not like im cheering for the opposing football team if they win the final
FTD
Minishield
Profile Joined October 2016
Italy145 Posts
April 07 2018 12:36 GMT
#462
On April 07 2018 21:30 Snakesneaks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 21:27 MetalMercury wrote:
On April 07 2018 21:20 Minishield wrote:
On April 07 2018 21:16 solidbebe wrote:
On April 07 2018 21:14 Minishield wrote:
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote:
this silent crowd is really sad

Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.

100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.

It's exactly what i said man, Chinese crowd cheers only for their teams --> LGD is Chinese. Mineski won they don't cheer.

EDIT: i got what you said, sorry.


It's really shitty; you can at least cheer for the fucking winners. We cheered for Wings at TI6


because people come to cheer for their favourite teams and they are emotionally attached to them
is is not american sport culture where people come to have fun only

I don't have knowledge about Chinese culture, but yea i think they are really attached to the team more than to the game, is like they really don't care about Dota itself, that's why even if Mineski deserved more and played well the don't cheer for them.

For Europeans and Americans is quite different, like you still watch Real Madrid vs Barcellona or the Superbowl even if your team doesn't even get close to that level of play, just cause is entertaining.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
April 07 2018 12:38 GMT
#463
On April 07 2018 21:30 Snakesneaks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 21:27 MetalMercury wrote:
On April 07 2018 21:20 Minishield wrote:
On April 07 2018 21:16 solidbebe wrote:
On April 07 2018 21:14 Minishield wrote:
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote:
this silent crowd is really sad

Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.

100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.

It's exactly what i said man, Chinese crowd cheers only for their teams --> LGD is Chinese. Mineski won they don't cheer.

EDIT: i got what you said, sorry.


It's really shitty; you can at least cheer for the fucking winners. We cheered for Wings at TI6


because people come to cheer for their favourite teams and they are emotionally attached to them
is is not american sport culture where people come to have fun only

I understand all of that and it is perfectly logical, but just a round of claps would've been more than enough for Mineski. They were amazing this tourney, and they are leaving the boot after they have won it and there is no sound, no claps, no cheers, no anything, like the whole arena is completely empty. It feels disrespectful.

Even worse, they are "cheering" for their own team, and you know that they are going to flame the shit out of them on the forums because they didn't manage to win this.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-07 12:45:00
April 07 2018 12:39 GMT
#464
That last game was all on AM(e).

Don't know why fy picked it into DP+Naga+Raptor. Maybe because Ame has a bday today and he asked for his favorite heroes, because Pugna/PL/Bristle/Sven/Jug would have been a much better choice for a last pick.

Oh well, Dota is still in a rough stage of transition.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Eunoia26
Profile Joined April 2018
2 Posts
April 07 2018 12:43 GMT
#465
They didnt have any post game show.
There is a rumor that the Post Game show is LGD Themed thats why they have to cancel.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
April 07 2018 12:44 GMT
#466
On April 07 2018 21:39 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
That last game was all on AM(e).

Don't know why fy picked it into DP+Naga+Raptor. Maybe because Ame has a bday today and he asked for his favorite heroes, because Pugna/PL/Bristle/Sven/Jug would be a much better fit for a last pick.

Don't know about the others, but PL into Magnus and Bristle into Lifestealer seem kind of poor. It felt like LGD was in a bit of a hard spot for their last pick.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-07 12:56:38
April 07 2018 12:49 GMT
#467
On April 07 2018 21:44 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 21:39 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
That last game was all on AM(e).

Don't know why fy picked it into DP+Naga+Raptor. Maybe because Ame has a bday today and he asked for his favorite heroes, because Pugna/PL/Bristle/Sven/Jug would be a much better fit for a last pick.

Don't know about the others, but PL into Magnus and Bristle into Lifestealer seem kind of poor. It felt like LGD was in a bit of a hard spot for their last pick.

PL is simply king of the split-push and he was literally unkillable for the lineup Mineski drafted.

Bristle is actually alright against Naix: he zones the hell out of the enemy team and Naix without rage will sit it in a AOE-slow-disable hell and would only think how to escape. Will be forced to buy Blink/BKB instead of DMG items atleast. But the most important idea is to deal with Disruptor's Glimpse: can't use it offensively against BBGOD.

My point is: LGD needed some kind of tank with split potential, and not raw DPS, to let Lesh to live longer in a fight and dish out extra magic damage. Remember when Mineski won 4x5 and all heroes were red, they used bbacks for it too? If it was any other hero than AM, they will be all dead and got raxxed.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
April 07 2018 12:56 GMT
#468
On April 07 2018 21:16 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 21:14 Minishield wrote:
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote:
this silent crowd is really sad

Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.

100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.

which is..fair in the home stadium?
passive quaranstream fan
Kelefei2016
Profile Joined August 2016
Papua New Guinea504 Posts
April 07 2018 14:09 GMT
#469
Mineski is real SEA dota, they are consisted of 4 different countries from SEA. And little console for VP cos VP is the only team that Mineski lost to them, lol. But Dota is Dota, Mineski victory now doesnt mean forever, of course i agreed luck was part of the contribution for their success in this DAC.

I think Mushi dream of getting TI can partly comforted by winning this Eastern TI, lol.

Success of Mineski again stress that offlaner and support duo are the key for this meta now. Sorry to say i dont think Mushi and Moonn are the world top carry (no put me wrong, i am coming from same country as Mushi and Moonn and I always support them)
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
April 07 2018 14:35 GMT
#470
On April 07 2018 23:09 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Mineski is real SEA dota, they are consisted of 4 different countries from SEA. And little console for VP cos VP is the only team that Mineski lost to them, lol. But Dota is Dota, Mineski victory now doesnt mean forever, of course i agreed luck was part of the contribution for their success in this DAC.

I think Mushi dream of getting TI can partly comforted by winning this Eastern TI, lol.

Success of Mineski again stress that offlaner and support duo are the key for this meta now. Sorry to say i dont think Mushi and Moonn are the world top carry (no put me wrong, i am coming from same country as Mushi and Moonn and I always support them)



thats the thing tho. mushi and moon doesnt need to be best players at their respective position. jabz+boogie and ice already are one of the best at their respective positions. what they show and how they play is already solid and stable most of the time and complement their team strategy.

and moon played really good in this DAC. he seldom lost his lane and had really big impact with his rotations and itemization in most of their games. i think it is a sign of a good player
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
April 07 2018 17:21 GMT
#471
On April 07 2018 23:35 Kamisamanachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 23:09 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Mineski is real SEA dota, they are consisted of 4 different countries from SEA. And little console for VP cos VP is the only team that Mineski lost to them, lol. But Dota is Dota, Mineski victory now doesnt mean forever, of course i agreed luck was part of the contribution for their success in this DAC.

I think Mushi dream of getting TI can partly comforted by winning this Eastern TI, lol.

Success of Mineski again stress that offlaner and support duo are the key for this meta now. Sorry to say i dont think Mushi and Moonn are the world top carry (no put me wrong, i am coming from same country as Mushi and Moonn and I always support them)



thats the thing tho. mushi and moon doesnt need to be best players at their respective position. jabz+boogie and ice already are one of the best at their respective positions. what they show and how they play is already solid and stable most of the time and complement their team strategy.

and moon played really good in this DAC. he seldom lost his lane and had really big impact with his rotations and itemization in most of their games. i think it is a sign of a good player


Yeah moon is extremely competent. Mushi might have some uncharacteristic mishaps sometimes but in general, I think mineski's tricore are all strong enough in that shutting down one of them is never enough in the game.

71 seems like a great addition too as evidenced by their performance.

Game of the tournament was probably LGD/VP g3 still for me, but overall a pretty good grand finals that I couldn't stay awake for its entirety, zz EST timezones. God bless for PGL's video archive.
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
April 07 2018 18:46 GMT
#472
On April 08 2018 02:21 Wineandbread wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2018 23:35 Kamisamanachi wrote:
On April 07 2018 23:09 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Mineski is real SEA dota, they are consisted of 4 different countries from SEA. And little console for VP cos VP is the only team that Mineski lost to them, lol. But Dota is Dota, Mineski victory now doesnt mean forever, of course i agreed luck was part of the contribution for their success in this DAC.

I think Mushi dream of getting TI can partly comforted by winning this Eastern TI, lol.

Success of Mineski again stress that offlaner and support duo are the key for this meta now. Sorry to say i dont think Mushi and Moonn are the world top carry (no put me wrong, i am coming from same country as Mushi and Moonn and I always support them)



thats the thing tho. mushi and moon doesnt need to be best players at their respective position. jabz+boogie and ice already are one of the best at their respective positions. what they show and how they play is already solid and stable most of the time and complement their team strategy.

and moon played really good in this DAC. he seldom lost his lane and had really big impact with his rotations and itemization in most of their games. i think it is a sign of a good player


Yeah moon is extremely competent. Mushi might have some uncharacteristic mishaps sometimes but in general, I think mineski's tricore are all strong enough in that shutting down one of them is never enough in the game.

71 seems like a great addition too as evidenced by their performance.

Game of the tournament was probably LGD/VP g3 still for me, but overall a pretty good grand finals that I couldn't stay awake for its entirety, zz EST timezones. God bless for PGL's video archive.


even as someone who wholeheartedly supports iceiceice, i feel if VP won LGD in the semifinals VP would have won the whole thing. Moon really stepped up this tournament, but their previous iterations where they kept giving moon potm/invoker/puck didn't really work out at all and he was just a non factor in all their games even though he was so farmed. his no-hesitance initiation jump feels really good though
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 07 2018 21:30 GMT
#473
On April 08 2018 03:46 Invictus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 02:21 Wineandbread wrote:
On April 07 2018 23:35 Kamisamanachi wrote:
On April 07 2018 23:09 Kelefei2016 wrote:
Mineski is real SEA dota, they are consisted of 4 different countries from SEA. And little console for VP cos VP is the only team that Mineski lost to them, lol. But Dota is Dota, Mineski victory now doesnt mean forever, of course i agreed luck was part of the contribution for their success in this DAC.

I think Mushi dream of getting TI can partly comforted by winning this Eastern TI, lol.

Success of Mineski again stress that offlaner and support duo are the key for this meta now. Sorry to say i dont think Mushi and Moonn are the world top carry (no put me wrong, i am coming from same country as Mushi and Moonn and I always support them)



thats the thing tho. mushi and moon doesnt need to be best players at their respective position. jabz+boogie and ice already are one of the best at their respective positions. what they show and how they play is already solid and stable most of the time and complement their team strategy.

and moon played really good in this DAC. he seldom lost his lane and had really big impact with his rotations and itemization in most of their games. i think it is a sign of a good player


Yeah moon is extremely competent. Mushi might have some uncharacteristic mishaps sometimes but in general, I think mineski's tricore are all strong enough in that shutting down one of them is never enough in the game.

71 seems like a great addition too as evidenced by their performance.

Game of the tournament was probably LGD/VP g3 still for me, but overall a pretty good grand finals that I couldn't stay awake for its entirety, zz EST timezones. God bless for PGL's video archive.


even as someone who wholeheartedly supports iceiceice, i feel if VP won LGD in the semifinals VP would have won the whole thing. Moon really stepped up this tournament, but their previous iterations where they kept giving moon potm/invoker/puck didn't really work out at all and he was just a non factor in all their games even though he was so farmed. his no-hesitance initiation jump feels really good though


They brought in someone to Draft, which solved a lot of their issues. Moon, Iceiceice & Jabz had an amazing tournament. They probably lose to VP, but LGD did enough to win that series. Thus, Mineski had their shot to win. You need "bracket luck" in these things, as some teams just match up better against others.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 07 2018 22:01 GMT
#474
who knew sea would win a major before china heh
Rillanon.au
550
Profile Joined April 2018
418 Posts
April 08 2018 03:39 GMT
#475
yeah
if Mineski went vs VP

its kind of this asian thing

if their playmakers like JABZ / Moon fears the westerners to make their usual plays (you could call it respect/overrespect as well)
game ends right there.
267
Profile Joined December 2017
64 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-08 13:31:04
April 08 2018 13:29 GMT
#476
On April 08 2018 12:39 550 wrote:
yeah
if Mineski went vs VP

its kind of this asian thing

if their playmakers like JABZ / Moon fears the westerners to make their usual plays (you could call it respect/overrespect as well)
game ends right there.


I think this post lacks a couple of sentences to make it comprehensible. I tried a few different possible interpretations but in the end no.
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