The VP most threat, Liquid & Secret already been eliminted by other team, so VP chance of crowning suddenly jumped up high. Mineski easy lost to VP in round robin showed VP laning is a threat to eastern countries.
On April 07 2018 11:15 tomatriedes wrote: Why would VP ban venge instead of say dark willow?
Venge support buffs up TB with her aura and provides a soft counter to Doom. They also have decent answers to Willow's ultimates (Snowball, Doom, Rage).
VP has quite similar lineup to their last game against TNC, but this time opponents actually have front line and a ton of area control from Dark Willow, Underlord and Disruptor.
On April 07 2018 11:44 babysimba wrote: Dotaplus predicts 95% winrate for LGD lol
UL + TB ahead after 20 minutes is extremely close to a locked up game.
However, LGD has this weird window. As this goes later and VP gets items, they actually get relatively stronger.
There's going to be Windows to win this for each team, it's just a matter of the jump. If Ame gets too much of the farm, Refresher Doom will just outright win the game for VP. Things along those lines.
On April 07 2018 12:00 Taf the Ghost wrote: Also, xNova seems really uncomfortable on Dark Willow, and he's currently lowest net worth by a lot. Willow as a 5 isn't good.
On April 07 2018 12:00 Taf the Ghost wrote: Also, xNova seems really uncomfortable on Dark Willow, and he's currently lowest net worth by a lot. Willow as a 5 isn't good.
I think he also played a Dark Willow game in the group stage that was cringeworthy. He seems unfamiliar with how hard he can push the hero and gets skittish when he needs to sacrifice himself.
On April 07 2018 12:05 Thetwinmasters wrote: pretty sure if ame just got linkens over skadi they would have won this game already
Uh no, Pasha would just eat a Troll Summoner and would use Net first through BKB and then Doom. Other teams tried that already. After mid game there was nothing LGD could've done, VP outplayed the crap out of them and Ramzes is insane.
On April 07 2018 12:05 Thetwinmasters wrote: pretty sure if ame just got linkens over skadi they would have won this game already
Uh no, Pasha would just eat a Troll Summoner and would use Net first through BKB and then Doom. Other teams tried that already. After mid game there was nothing LGD could've done, VP outplayed the crap out of them and Ramzes is insane.
Ramzes hitting the high ground like he did was just the epitome of his insights on the hero. He had incredibly low risk in the moves he was making to the high ground, even though it looked risky. He had very little risk of dying, so he was gaining his team advantage with very little risk. He can play that hero to its limits and that was fun to watch.
On April 07 2018 12:44 TomatoBisque wrote: I feel like LGD should be crushing this game based on lanes/draft, but just makes more mistakes than VP
That was the case in last game too, LGD won all 3 lanes and had great mid game and then lost like 3 fights in a row and it was over.
Yeah
VP is just a better team
They had the heroes to back it up last game. Idk I think LGD could've done the last 10 minutes alot better they played safe and Ame did not itemize properly (or so do i think )
On April 07 2018 12:37 Taf the Ghost wrote: If LGD takes its foot off the gas, they're going to get rolled off before they can make the high ground push.
On April 07 2018 13:03 Thetwinmasters wrote: real interesting how a troll with bkb+aegis does nothing
Not really, Troll is more of a match-up winner with a lot of split-push pressure. LGD didn't keep the pressure up and VP wouldn't give them pick offs to easily push high ground.
LGD was raping with fy rubick and both DPS cores topping net worth chart, I look away for 30 seconds and VP two cores are on top and 1 lane of rax ahead. What happened
On April 07 2018 13:10 bluzi wrote: Tiny.... what a hero not sure how this hero is getting through drafts such an amazing hero.
What do you mean Tiny? I am not sure how Disruptor is getting true drafts, Tiny barely did anything in this game while Disruptor got them kill after kill and prevented a lot of initiations with Static Storm. Glimps is one of the dumbest abilities in the game.
Troll looked like do a nothing hero for a long time then suddenly he mans up vs everyone and just OWNS the MK & Gyro 1v2 , but Tiny man , just f****king Tiny what a hero he is great at every stage in the game , VP should pick him or ban him,
On April 07 2018 13:10 bluzi wrote: Tiny.... what a hero not sure how this hero is getting through drafts such an amazing hero.
What do you mean Tiny? I am not sure how Disruptor is getting true drafts, Tiny barely did anything in this game while Disruptor got them kill after kill and prevented a lot of initiations with Static Storm. Glimps is one of the dumbest abilities in the game.
Great game, that was a nail biter near the end.
It's also a nice deny pick since solo loves his disruptor
On April 07 2018 13:13 bluzi wrote: Troll looked like do a nothing hero for a long time then suddenly he mans up vs everyone and just OWNS the MK & Gyro 1v2 , but Tiny man , just f****king Tiny what a hero he is great at every stage in the game , VP should pick him or ban him,
because vp has the insanity to walk straight at troll especially post bfly
On April 07 2018 13:10 bluzi wrote: Tiny.... what a hero not sure how this hero is getting through drafts such an amazing hero.
What do you mean Tiny? I am not sure how Disruptor is getting true drafts, Tiny barely did anything in this game while Disruptor got them kill after kill and prevented a lot of initiations with Static Storm. Glimps is one of the dumbest abilities in the game.
Great game, that was a nail biter near the end.
Yeah disruptor and fy rubick was actually getting them all the shit. Tiny actually acted as damage dealer more than the initiator
On April 07 2018 13:10 Terrorbladder wrote: Virtus.Throw?
LGD got the jump and killed the supports. Troll can take your entire base if you're dead.
Ramzes' item build post-SB was sketchy. He needed to split-push much harder and get his AC. Ame chewed him up even within Wukong's Command.
I didn't see the item build, but I saw him getting eaten apart by the Troll in 1 vs 1. Which, if Ame died at the pit, ends the game for a VP win.
He finished the SIlver Edge for the Tide and got Blink right afterwards. But Troll got Bfly + MKB and carved off 60% of his lifebar in five hits. That was largely why VP got rolled in the Rosh fight.
On April 07 2018 13:10 Terrorbladder wrote: Virtus.Throw?
LGD got the jump and killed the supports. Troll can take your entire base if you're dead.
Ramzes' item build post-SB was sketchy. He needed to split-push much harder and get his AC. Ame chewed him up even within Wukong's Command.
I didn't see the item build, but I saw him getting eaten apart by the Troll in 1 vs 1. Which, if Ame died at the pit, ends the game for a VP win.
He had BF, BKB, Silver Edge and Blink, which I also found strange, he couldn't fight a Troll with Butterfly and MKB at all, neither him nor Noone did damage to the Troll and they just got wiped.
LGD has chance if they bring their A game. They played god damn awful the past 2 games. Chinese teams are not supposed to lose mid game after winning all 3 lanes and they did it twice.
A bane ..... welp Solo banes is best in class , so at least we get this , and they ban the Tiny as they should!!! GREAT start. LGD get 2 premium heroes for their first 3
On April 07 2018 13:32 goody153 wrote: I think LGD lost though the maybe leshrac will probably a treat
Why do you think that this early ? they played amazingly in laning stage both games running , i would expect them to be on fire with this support duo at the start and if lesh start strong....
On April 07 2018 13:32 goody153 wrote: I think LGD lost though the maybe leshrac will probably a treat
Why do you think that this early ? they played amazingly in laning stage both games running , i would expect them to be on fire with this support duo at the start and if lesh start strong....
VP drafted weak lane supports in the first 2 games. Bane/ES doesn't qualify as such. Lesh will be incredibly vulnerable to rotations in the early game.
On April 07 2018 13:32 goody153 wrote: I think LGD lost though the maybe leshrac will probably a treat
Why do you think that this early ? they played amazingly in laning stage both games running , i would expect them to be on fire with this support duo at the start and if lesh start strong....
LGD are playing the harder to execute lineup and i think VP's lineup just scales better.
TB + DK is better and alot simpler to play around than Void+Lesh
Void and lesh has to be ahead to work. TB/DK can play catchup
On April 07 2018 13:37 Kamisamanachi wrote: i can see VP winning this past 30 minutes , if LGD doesn't run them over with early void and lesh rotations.
On April 07 2018 13:37 Kamisamanachi wrote: i can see VP winning this past 30 minutes , if LGD doesn't run them over with early void and lesh rotations.
On April 07 2018 13:37 Kamisamanachi wrote: i can see VP winning this past 30 minutes , if LGD doesn't run them over with early void and lesh rotations.
Void/lesh won't do shit against this VP lineup.
yea, i also think LGD needs some heavy rotations early to win their lanes which doesn't seem to be happening. TB and DK breaking even is big concern for LGD
On April 07 2018 13:37 Kamisamanachi wrote: i can see VP winning this past 30 minutes , if LGD doesn't run them over with early void and lesh rotations.
On April 07 2018 13:47 CosmicSpiral wrote: Sigh, VP really are trying to lose this series.
Relax it's LGD who has to make things happen. VP can actually win this even if they just farm all game and push one time
That's only comforting because it's LGD. They'll flub a teamfight and the game will be even again.
It's really more because VP has strong supports and a fucking TB/DK. If they just win once LGD's game is suddenly a million times harder and it's just an ascending game for VP but not for LGD
On April 07 2018 13:54 turpentine wrote: ramzes is gonna have to carry hard tho, VP have failed at getting anything with their movements and noone has fed
On April 07 2018 13:54 turpentine wrote: ramzes is gonna have to carry hard tho, VP have failed at getting anything with their movements and noone has fed
On April 07 2018 13:57 TomatoBisque wrote: this is not a lineup that TB can 1v9
idk
if DK/TB pops bkb the only real damage comes from void. Void doesn't have enough damage and he's hitting a high hp, high armor hero with fucking lifeswap.
Nice aegis there mates. I don't think that they have enough damage to be able to kill anyone in Chrono if Leshrac isn't running in with Edict and ulti.
TB boys the only hero in the game who can make everything look ridiculous. Already like the strongest right click carry and almost the tankiest with the high armor and natural stats build . And a fucking lifeswap even if you make a mispositioning lmao
Dunno why icefrog hasn't nerfed it but nerfed enchantress lol
It's still the single most ridiculous hero that is actually usable unlike techies
On April 07 2018 14:08 TomatoBisque wrote: TB isn't the problem, LGD's decisionmaking is awful (esp ame)
they just run at heroes if they see them and let VP outplay them
I mean this is a VP win for sure but just the minute VP picked TB/DK already kinda makes it extremely hard to beat them. No other hero can do that in a competitive level
Even dusa has to played around well(4p1) meanwhile TB can actually be played in dual or triple core lol
On April 07 2018 14:08 TomatoBisque wrote: TB isn't the problem, LGD's decisionmaking is awful (esp ame)
they just run at heroes if they see them and let VP outplay them
I mean this is a VP win for sure but just the minute VP picked TB/DK already kinda makes it extremely hard to beat them. No other hero can do that in a competitive level
I mean sure if you ignore that LGD took multiple bad fights where they fed multiple heroes away for no reason (top fight, mid fight where lesh was bot, post-rosh fight)
On April 07 2018 14:08 TomatoBisque wrote: TB isn't the problem, LGD's decisionmaking is awful (esp ame)
they just run at heroes if they see them and let VP outplay them
I mean this is a VP win for sure but just the minute VP picked TB/DK already kinda makes it extremely hard to beat them. No other hero can do that in a competitive level
Even dusa has to played around well(4p1) meanwhile TB can actually be played in dual or triple core lol
Vp showed how to beat tb easily in g1. They are just playing better
On April 07 2018 14:08 TomatoBisque wrote: TB isn't the problem, LGD's decisionmaking is awful (esp ame)
they just run at heroes if they see them and let VP outplay them
I mean this is a VP win for sure but just the minute VP picked TB/DK already kinda makes it extremely hard to beat them. No other hero can do that in a competitive level
I mean sure if you ignore that LGD took multiple bad fights where they fed multiple heroes away for no reason (top fight, mid fight where lesh was bot, post-rosh fight)
No no i'm not really ignoring that. I know this is a VP win but this isn't the only game that TB makes it really ridiculous.
I mean it has always looked harder to beat TB than actually winning with TB. It takes so much caution to beat the team with that hero but the team playing that hero does
No other core scales better than that hero maybe Void ultralategame with refresher beats that hero but before heroes like void get to that stage it takes so much. Meanwhile TB's transition is very easy and he gets to his peak real fast and his peak beats most heroes peak who takes forever to get there
"He bkb's and sunders. He so cool and collected he'll never choke in this situations" I mean kyle TB is the easiest hero to play lategame it doesn't really require a complex decision making to do that.
On April 07 2018 14:22 goody153 wrote: "He bkb's and sunders. He so cool and collected he'll never choke in this situations" I mean kyle TB is the easiest hero to play lategame it doesn't really require a complex decision making to do that.
On April 07 2018 14:08 TomatoBisque wrote: TB isn't the problem, LGD's decisionmaking is awful (esp ame)
they just run at heroes if they see them and let VP outplay them
I mean this is a VP win for sure but just the minute VP picked TB/DK already kinda makes it extremely hard to beat them. No other hero can do that in a competitive level
Even dusa has to played around well(4p1) meanwhile TB can actually be played in dual or triple core lol
On April 07 2018 14:08 TomatoBisque wrote: TB isn't the problem, LGD's decisionmaking is awful (esp ame)
they just run at heroes if they see them and let VP outplay them
I mean this is a VP win for sure but just the minute VP picked TB/DK already kinda makes it extremely hard to beat them. No other hero can do that in a competitive level
Even dusa has to played around well(4p1) meanwhile TB can actually be played in dual or triple core lol
This hasn't aged well.
Neither has VP's drafting. This is by far the worst series they have played in the last 3 tournaments. Honestly I'm peeved LGD didn't sweep them.
On April 07 2018 14:32 bluzi wrote: AME MVP of this DAC for me , damn VP how you dont clear that catapult in the pit!!! They knew its safe to go there , MVP catapult!!
On April 07 2018 14:32 bluzi wrote: AME MVP of this DAC for me , damn VP how you dont clear that catapult in the pit!!! They knew its safe to go there , MVP catapult!!
On April 07 2018 14:32 goody153 wrote: That's just a fluke in the next tournament or even this finals you're gonna see the power of TB again.
goody did u recently lose a game vs a TB? non-stop flashbacks?
On April 07 2018 14:33 Atreides wrote: Great game, hype as fuck. its sick to hear crowd in background etc, but DAMN EG/Fnatic/Navi(lol!) are so fucked now on dpc points rofl.
It's going down to the wire, just how it should be
LGD won the series off getting nearly perfect team fights at Rosh. 3rd game off a near YOLO play. It worked, congrats, but I don't think Mineski will give that space.
Does LGD need to win the finals to kick out EG or are they part of the top 8 now and EG is out ?
Fnatic has a better position i think since They're only gonna have to fight TNC likely in the qualifiers and for sure SEA is gonna get more than 1 spot considering their recent performance.
EG on the other hand in a weird situation since Optic could kick them out of the qualifers
On April 07 2018 14:35 goody153 wrote: Does LGD need to win the finals to kick out EG or are they part of the top 8 now and EG is out ?
Fnatic has a better position i think since They're only gonna have to fight TNC likely in the qualifiers and for sure SEA is gonna get more than 1 spot considering their recent performance.
EG on the other hand in a weird situation since Optic could kick them out of the qualifers
On April 07 2018 14:35 goody153 wrote: Does LGD need to win the finals to kick out EG or are they part of the top 8 now and EG is out ?
Fnatic has a better position i think since They're only gonna have to fight TNC likely in the qualifiers and for sure SEA is gonna get more than 1 spot considering their recent performance.
EG on the other hand in a weird situation since Optic could kick them out of the qualifers
On April 07 2018 14:32 bluzi wrote: AME MVP of this DAC for me , damn VP how you dont clear that catapult in the pit!!! They knew its safe to go there , MVP catapult!!
Ame tried really hard to throw the entire series.
Lesh got caught out ALL GAME LONG , diving in base , getting caught alone , its nice to praise the lesh but he did nothing but press his buttons , i love Maybe but he wasnt the reason they won this game , you can give it to UL for sure for the catapult in the rosh pit , I loved the void play in this game vs such a heavy stun and dmg lineup , welp GG LGD !!!! I hope Mushi pulls it off but i wont be sad if LGD takes it !
On April 07 2018 14:32 bluzi wrote: AME MVP of this DAC for me , damn VP how you dont clear that catapult in the pit!!! They knew its safe to go there , MVP catapult!!
Ame tried really hard to throw the entire series.
Lesh got caught out ALL GAME LONG , diving in base , getting caught alone , its nice to praise the lesh but he did nothing but press his buttons , i love Maybe but he wasnt the reason they won this game , you can give it to UL for sure for the catapult in the rosh pit , I loved the void play in this game vs such a heavy stun and dmg lineup , welp GG LGD !!!! I hope Mushi pulls it off but i wont be sad if LGD takes it !
Ame had some game losing chronos and target prioritization
Yeh EG out of top 8 but if no NA team in top 8 there will 100% be two slots from NA qual and if EG cant get one they deserve to sit out a TI but its still crazy.
Fnatic were praying that TNC gets in to top 8 also so that both mineski and TNC are not in quals rofl. Better odds than them getting there tbh.
Lesh won the early game so hard with his rotations and laning. LGD could have ended the game with the very first ageis if void didn't blow chrono like an idiot.
On April 07 2018 14:37 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: wait till pros find out about veil radiance viper
Fixed that for you.
the vanguard (crimson guard sometimes) is v important
tho i guess u could have another 3 hero rushing crimson
but the hp tho
The damage block sucks on ranged heroes. Veil active + Nethertoxin lets you hit the Radiance timing much faster too.
On April 07 2018 14:41 babysimba wrote: Lesh won the early game so hard with his rotations and laning. LGD could have ended the game with the very first ageis if void didn't blow chrono like an idiot.
I'm still salty VP lost the laning stage in all 3 games. Whether it was the draft or the early game calls, something's clearly wrong in their camp. No[O]ne also played like straight ass in that last game.
On April 07 2018 14:41 babysimba wrote: Lesh won the early game so hard with his rotations and laning. LGD could have ended the game with the very first ageis if void didn't blow chrono like an idiot.
I'm still salty VP lost the laning stage in all 3 games. Whether it was the draft or the early game calls, something's clearly wrong in their camp. No[O]ne also played like straight ass in that last game.
or LGD just played better if western team lost its not always their fault, sometimes east can be good too
this game is more under LGD control they rack up early pressure, then semi throw by Ame's miss Chrono and Somnus's miss positioning, then they're losing for like 20 min in between Fy god steals some boss loot, then the Uber Lord 6 star service
Wow, Mineski vs LGD, means #2 vs #2. Anyway whoever win, there is Malaysian in each team too.
I not sure how much xNova helps in LGD, but apparently after Chalice & xNova joined, they regained as China most consistent team than Newbee.
And wonder how old WG re-united Moon (Mineski), xNova (LGD), ahfu (LFY) they were teammates in WG, though they are not the superstar in their current team.
Wow LGD lucked out so hard with that play there. LGD saw noone and ramzes leave mid lane so they wanted to smoke to catch them while they were retreating but smoke popped right when they teleported into rosh pit so they knew there were people outside and they caught the entire vp team out of position when they only wanted prob to catch one person just to get roshan.
Were there LGD wards that spotted VP movememts? Assuming they were playing blind LGD got much more than they came for
Mineski already 2-0'd LGD which is why I wanted VP in the grand final, plus I like VP and Mineski equally so I would've been fine with either team winning. Now there's only one option: Mineski to 5-0 these fools
On April 07 2018 15:46 Invictus wrote: Wow LGD lucked out so hard with that play there. LGD saw noone and ramzes leave mid lane so they wanted to smoke to catch them while they were retreating but smoke popped right when they teleported into rosh pit so they knew there were people outside and they caught the entire vp team out of position when they only wanted prob to catch one person just to get roshan.
Were there LGD wards that spotted VP movememts? Assuming they were playing blind LGD got much more than they came for
LGD had 2 wards up. Dire jungle and one above the shrine near dire secret shop.
On April 07 2018 15:51 turpentine wrote: Mineski already 2-0'd LGD which is why I wanted VP in the grand final, plus I like VP and Mineski equally so I would've been fine with either team winning. Now there's only one option: Mineski to 5-0 these fools
On April 07 2018 15:51 turpentine wrote: Mineski already 2-0'd LGD which is why I wanted VP in the grand final, plus I like VP and Mineski equally so I would've been fine with either team winning. Now there's only one option: Mineski to 5-0 these fools
I am happy with both team cos either team win, there is Malaysian player in the team. Though there are not the super stars in the team. I guess the super star in LGD is Ame while Mineski is ice3. Mushi is no longer a star player though his recent performance is kind of reborn for him.
On April 07 2018 15:46 Invictus wrote: Wow LGD lucked out so hard with that play there. LGD saw noone and ramzes leave mid lane so they wanted to smoke to catch them while they were retreating but smoke popped right when they teleported into rosh pit so they knew there were people outside and they caught the entire vp team out of position when they only wanted prob to catch one person just to get roshan.
Were there LGD wards that spotted VP movememts? Assuming they were playing blind LGD got much more than they came for
LGD had 2 wards up. Dire jungle and one above the shrine near dire secret shop.
Yea, which actually means they really lucked out because they had no idea where VP players are (other than the warded spots but VP players could have been anywhere in the map). If noone who was in invis popped the smoke they would have lost so much of the surprise factor and vp would have the chance to regroup. Props to lgd for making the call to surprise buttsex vp though, if vp knew it was coming they were pretty much going to get destroyed cause everyone was clumped in the rosh pit
This LGD draft... it's just arrogant. Jabz won Mineski at least one game yesterday purely on the back of his Willow, and Iceiceice was showing spectacular Pango play before it started drawing bans. And they let them have both.
On April 07 2018 16:29 Circumstance wrote: This LGD draft... it's just arrogant. Jabz won Mineski at least one game yesterday purely on the back of his Willow, and Iceiceice was showing spectacular Pango play before it started drawing bans. And they let them have both.
A lot of that was on the fact he could do whatever when he went shadow realm, this draft they have 2 aoe stuns and aoe magic damage
On April 07 2018 16:29 Circumstance wrote: This LGD draft... it's just arrogant. Jabz won Mineski at least one game yesterday purely on the back of his Willow, and Iceiceice was showing spectacular Pango play before it started drawing bans. And they let them have both.
It's a bo5. risking the first game to see if you can beat those heroes and make Mineski lose confidence in them is fine
On April 07 2018 16:41 Kamisamanachi wrote: this seems bad. if mineski doesn't get over the fact that they just lost with pango and willow, then this finals gonna be one sided
You can have pango but your cores are DP/VS vs Tiny/PA/Veno not exactly a good core matchup
On April 07 2018 16:41 Kamisamanachi wrote: this seems bad. if mineski doesn't get over the fact that they just lost with pango and willow, then this finals gonna be one sided
You can have pango but your cores are DP/VS vs Tiny/PA/Veno not exactly a good core matchup
yeah,it really felt like mineski lineup was one of the worst lineups against tiny and PA . They had no frontliner to soak up the damage
On April 07 2018 16:40 babysimba wrote: Weak ass draft. Mski should at least last pick a carry that can dominate his lane. Willow pango oracle are so weak early game.
Mineski screwed up the draft and LGD is good at smoke movement. That's actually a good description of LGD right now. Lane strong & move under smoke really well. That's the only reason they're in the finals.
On April 07 2018 16:41 Kamisamanachi wrote: this seems bad. if mineski doesn't get over the fact that they just lost with pango and willow, then this finals gonna be one sided
You can have pango but your cores are DP/VS vs Tiny/PA/Veno not exactly a good core matchup
yeah,it really felt like mineski lineup was one of the worst lineups against tiny and PA . They had no frontliner to soak up the damage
In other circumstances though that would've been a decent draft for Mineski. Too bad there was Tiny/PA/Slardar on the other team just exploding heroes in a second or so
On April 07 2018 16:41 Kamisamanachi wrote: this seems bad. if mineski doesn't get over the fact that they just lost with pango and willow, then this finals gonna be one sided
You can have pango but your cores are DP/VS vs Tiny/PA/Veno not exactly a good core matchup
yeah,it really felt like mineski lineup was one of the worst lineups against tiny and PA . They had no frontliner to soak up the damage
In other circumstances though that would've been a decent draft for Mineski. Too bad there was Tiny/PA/Slardar on the other team just exploding heroes in a second or so
Against LGD a few days ago, it was probably the right type of draft, but LGD has been pushing more active in the laning stage. (A bit of copying TL, actually.) Though, I still don't think VS was a good core choice here.
On April 07 2018 16:41 Kamisamanachi wrote: this seems bad. if mineski doesn't get over the fact that they just lost with pango and willow, then this finals gonna be one sided
You can have pango but your cores are DP/VS vs Tiny/PA/Veno not exactly a good core matchup
yeah,it really felt like mineski lineup was one of the worst lineups against tiny and PA . They had no frontliner to soak up the damage
In other circumstances though that would've been a decent draft for Mineski. Too bad there was Tiny/PA/Slardar on the other team just exploding heroes in a second or so
Against LGD a few days ago, it was probably the right type of draft, but LGD has been pushing more active in the laning stage. (A bit of copying TL, actually.) Though, I still don't think VS was a good core choice here.
Its more you pick a strong fighting lineup and with him you force them to fight you. You cant run from glimpse and as bonus static storm alone can destroy the enemy.
On April 07 2018 17:25 Taf the Ghost wrote: Mineski's lineup is a little light on tower hitting for a while, but Iceiceice found a way. Empowered Cartie.
Just nerf that item already.
That is an excellent strategy. Pick 5 team fighting heros then let a creep to do all the tower sieging
Huh. There's some interesting logic to Mineski's approach to Rosh here. They just want to prevent it from being taken, not actually taking it themselves. LGD beat VP by getting the right at Roshan, so it makes sense to keep LGD from getting that option.
On April 07 2018 17:35 babysimba wrote: Eul sf aka youtube sf.... except it tends to end up being in youtube fails.
Maybe, you might as well play eul lesh if you want to play a similar playstyle, you are the best core lesh in the world...
eul sf was kinda ok this game, if they didnt die so badly and let gyro get such an early bkb they would still have a way to blow up people. rather than going for dps because mineski cores were too fed for troll to smack anyone down
Mineski never lost the fights, thus they didn't lose their base. I'm still not a fan of Troll, in most instances, but if you win that one team fight, you destroy the other team's base.
On April 07 2018 17:47 Taf the Ghost wrote: Mineski never lost the fights, thus they didn't lose their base. I'm still not a fan of Troll, in most instances, but if you win that one team fight, you destroy the other team's base.
Still quite squishy tho and very bkb dependent. Can't really win fights without him going close so he has to pop bkb most of the time
On April 07 2018 17:47 Taf the Ghost wrote: Mineski never lost the fights, thus they didn't lose their base. I'm still not a fan of Troll, in most instances, but if you win that one team fight, you destroy the other team's base.
Still quite squishy tho and very bkb dependent. Can't really win fights without him going close so he has to pop bkb most of the time
Correct. LGD beat VP in game 2 because he got 2 DPS items ahead. He can hit points of being a relative Raid Boss if things go right, but he really needs a huge amount of support to do it.
Still, that wasn't the problem for LGD here. Mineski out warded them, then got the jump on the supports. Then LGD took a fight into RP under Mineski's shrine. That pretty much ended the game. (Along with never forcing the Song to disengage.)
heroes like SF and Lina desperately need something to deal with their too long animation / cast times / backswings otherwise they are just a liability 90% of teamfights
maybe nerf shadowraze and make AGHS upgrade for Requeim to be 0.2 cast time. SF will definitely be relevant without being imba then
On April 07 2018 19:08 Stancel wrote: is that an iceiceice pangolier in a grand final
i'm here for it
he's already lost a game with it this series
Was already a game lost in the draft phase, though.
fy is going to carry LGD to victory. That's kind of the way this has gone.
maybe has also been performing very well especially his way on moving around the map has been on point. i just dont like lgds performance when they put him on sf or ta...it just feels lackluster
Oh my. he appears to be throwing his life away by turning back after escaping to be finished off by a long range right click. not really comprehensible why he'd do that.
On April 07 2018 19:21 Artisreal wrote: Oh my. he appears to be throwing his life away by turning back after escaping to be finished off by a long range right click. not really comprehensible why he'd do that.
First time he thought he was away far enough to dispell cold feet, second time he thought he was out of vision I think
It's really bad that the hero for Mineski who's doing best is the one who got countered the hardest by the draft.
But oh well, I'm not convinced at all of the PA as well, so we'll see.
On April 07 2018 19:18 TomatoBisque wrote: Does LGD consider PA to be a pango counter? They've picked her into him both games
I don't play enough anymore to know why it'd be a counter
Well the change to the dagger - can now target spell-immuned heroes - made it look very effective indeed on their last match.
Pango ult is great for many reasons, two of them being its speed and spell immunity, making it very awkward to deal dmg to, especially when you have melee cores.
On April 07 2018 19:36 babysimba wrote: Pango just destroys supports. Worth it to sac luna to give pango the good start after all
Mushi actually wasn't that far behind. 1 level and about 35% net worth compared to the PA. We've seen a lot worse Trilane Lunas even this tournament come back to win.
So glad to see a manta luna, and not a bfly rush or w/e stupid thing they did last time.
On April 07 2018 19:42 Archeon wrote: Isn't TLDR with PA that you go cleave with Bfury and corruption with deso first?
Meeeh I don't know, I'd always pick corruption myself, it just "works" with the hero. And maybe cleave if say you skipped bfury and realize you desperatly need waveclear...
to be honest i don't understand how lgd went from winning 3 lanes and having a PA with bfury while Luna had 2.5k NW to being unable to make ANY moves for like 20 minutes
On April 07 2018 19:53 Shergal wrote: to be honest i don't understand how lgd went from winning 3 lanes and having a PA with bfury while Luna had 2.5k NW to being unable to make ANY moves for like 20 minutes
Moon happened. 7/1/7 and a great item build for this game.
On April 07 2018 19:42 Archeon wrote: Isn't TLDR with PA that you go cleave with Bfury and corruption with deso first?
Meeeh I don't know, I'd always pick corruption myself, it just "works" with the hero. And maybe cleave if say you skipped bfury and realize you desperatly need waveclear...
Thought the logic was that with bonus cleave you get one-shots on the waves on crit-daggers faster, so you never go cleave if you skipped bfury.
But according to dotabuff-guides (which is a small sample size) it's like 80:20 corrution to cleave in high mmr and almost 100% of the cleaves where on bfury-builds.
On April 07 2018 19:53 Shergal wrote: to be honest i don't understand how lgd went from winning 3 lanes and having a PA with bfury while Luna had 2.5k NW to being unable to make ANY moves for like 20 minutes
Tiny stopped playing.
He did nothing except combo DK after the laning phase as if he can solo him instead of going for the underfarmed Luna or squishy support.
Macro wise it feels like LGD was just on auto-pilot after the laning phase while Mineski kept adjusting themselves and finally scored the win.
On April 07 2018 19:53 Shergal wrote: to be honest i don't understand how lgd went from winning 3 lanes and having a PA with bfury while Luna had 2.5k NW to being unable to make ANY moves for like 20 minutes
Moon happened. 7/1/7 and a great item build for this game.
Also give credit to ice3, he shut down the pa after the lane switch. He was taunting and causing havoc which halted the tempo of having their trilane crushed and mushi tilting his tits off
They were good at TI. Xd. Then bad for 7 months per standard.
But it was reasonably clear from recent quals they were best Chinese team coming into tourney. It’s not completely out of nowhere. (Tbh Mineski in finals is more out of nowhere I think.)
On April 07 2018 20:07 solidbebe wrote: How did LGD even make it to the finals? I feel like I havent heard their name in years and now theyre in the finals of a major?
2nd in Group, played well throughout, though they've had to pull some wins out on a razor's edge to get this far.
On April 07 2018 19:56 Archeon wrote: Thought the logic was that with bonus cleave you get one-shots on the waves on crit-daggers faster, so you never go cleave if you skipped bfury.
But according to dotabuff-guides (which is a small sample size) it's like 80:20 corrution to cleave in high mmr and almost 100% of the cleaves where on bfury-builds.
I mean the whole cleave thing does feel weird on PA, for me. It has been years of convincing myself and others that "you don't make bfury on PA, because she's not a farming hero, she's a killing hero that will fade into late game because her passive does get countered with items". She's a early / midgame hero that win games by killing the ennemies, not out-carrying them in the ultra-late game.
The cleave talent seemed like a nice bonus, like, you know, here, have a bit of cleave so you can kill some creeps on downtimes. But it should stay at that level imo, just a nice bonus, an aside thing.
At any rate, now that bfury is getting picked more and more on any hero really, I would especially NOT take the cleave talent but get corruption instead, to sort of connect back to her above described purpose.
But that's just my 3.9k logic, so... for what it's worth...
On April 07 2018 19:56 Archeon wrote: Thought the logic was that with bonus cleave you get one-shots on the waves on crit-daggers faster, so you never go cleave if you skipped bfury.
But according to dotabuff-guides (which is a small sample size) it's like 80:20 corrution to cleave in high mmr and almost 100% of the cleaves where on bfury-builds.
I mean the whole cleave thing does feel weird on PA, for me. It has been years of convincing myself and others that "you don't make bfury on PA, because she's not a farming hero, she's a killing hero that will fade into late game because her passive does get countered with items". She's a early / midgame hero that win games by killing the ennemies, not out-carrying them in the ultra-late game.
The cleave talent seemed like a nice bonus, like, you know, here, have a bit of cleave so you can kill some creeps on downtimes. But it should stay at that level imo, just a nice bonus, an aside thing.
At any rate, now that bfury is getting picked more and more on any hero really, I would especially NOT take the cleave talent but get corruption instead, to sort of connect back to her above described purpose.
But that's just my 3.9k logic, so... for what it's worth...
I think the idea that PA is not a farming hero but a fighting hero and cant be a lategame carry is outdated. The game is so different than 1 or 2 years ago. Consider that this PA cant be a farming hero idea stems from the time where magic damage carries basically didnt even exist.
On April 07 2018 20:37 Nyan wrote: I wish finals had no Chinese team to have a better crowd reaction.
Actually that was the problem this whole tourney, I am fine if they are biased towards their own teams, but when two non-chinese teams fought there was barely any happy no matter how great the play was. I mean Chinese aren't hyped even when LGD get the kills, I don't know, probably one of the worst tournaments that I've seen when it comes to crowd hype.
On April 07 2018 19:56 Archeon wrote: Thought the logic was that with bonus cleave you get one-shots on the waves on crit-daggers faster, so you never go cleave if you skipped bfury.
But according to dotabuff-guides (which is a small sample size) it's like 80:20 corrution to cleave in high mmr and almost 100% of the cleaves where on bfury-builds.
I mean the whole cleave thing does feel weird on PA, for me. It has been years of convincing myself and others that "you don't make bfury on PA, because she's not a farming hero, she's a killing hero that will fade into late game because her passive does get countered with items". She's a early / midgame hero that win games by killing the ennemies, not out-carrying them in the ultra-late game.
The cleave talent seemed like a nice bonus, like, you know, here, have a bit of cleave so you can kill some creeps on downtimes. But it should stay at that level imo, just a nice bonus, an aside thing.
At any rate, now that bfury is getting picked more and more on any hero really, I would especially NOT take the cleave talent but get corruption instead, to sort of connect back to her above described purpose.
But that's just my 3.9k logic, so... for what it's worth...
I think the logic was right during the time PA couldn't do shit about BKB and SE was a good item. Now her spells both pierce BKB and SE got a bunch of nerfs, so imo she is a pretty decent lategame hero.
On April 07 2018 20:36 Count9 wrote: pitlord has to be one of the most balanced heroes in the game
I keep saying this, people keep telling me how "they don't feel that he is too good". Man nothing to feel about it, you simply put his abilities on the paper and compare them to other position 3 heroes and it is clear as day.
On April 07 2018 20:36 Count9 wrote: pitlord has to be one of the most balanced heroes in the game
I keep saying this, people keep telling me how "they don't feel that he is too good". Man nothing to feel about it, you simply put his abilities on the paper and compare them to other position 3 heroes and it is clear as day.
The fact he can just casually kill rosh is the icing on the cake
On April 07 2018 20:36 Count9 wrote: pitlord has to be one of the most balanced heroes in the game
I keep saying this, people keep telling me how "they don't feel that he is too good". Man nothing to feel about it, you simply put his abilities on the paper and compare them to other position 3 heroes and it is clear as day.
His ultimate is pretty draft- and coordination-dependent. Io is insane on paper, but really meh unless you have good coordination for the same reason.
On April 07 2018 20:36 Count9 wrote: pitlord has to be one of the most balanced heroes in the game
I keep saying this, people keep telling me how "they don't feel that he is too good". Man nothing to feel about it, you simply put his abilities on the paper and compare them to other position 3 heroes and it is clear as day.
His ultimate is pretty draft- and coordination-dependent. Io is insane on paper, but really meh unless you have good coordination for the same reason.
On April 07 2018 20:36 Count9 wrote: pitlord has to be one of the most balanced heroes in the game
I keep saying this, people keep telling me how "they don't feel that he is too good". Man nothing to feel about it, you simply put his abilities on the paper and compare them to other position 3 heroes and it is clear as day.
His ultimate is pretty draft- and coordination-dependent. Io is insane on paper, but really meh unless you have good coordination for the same reason.
Io was one of the most broken heroes during history of Dota, not sure if it is a fair comparison. And when talking about Underlord I am usually not even talking about his ultimate, all of his other skills are just too good.
Not a good am pick, he's had to farm ridiculously scared the whole game. When am isn't 2 items up on every other core, game is hard. Just not a good hero right now.
Didnt win Mineski already two minors? With three victories, this invite is so deserved.
NA really struggles. I think NA gets 2 qualifier slots, no matter if EG gets the invite or not. I also think China gets 2 qualifier slots, no matter if they manage to get 3 or 4 teams to the direct invites. So EG really needs to accomplish sth at their last chances. Same goes to NaVi, but it is pretty obvious they cant get a spot on the first four at a major in their current state.
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote: this silent crowd is really sad
Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.
On April 07 2018 21:11 Invictus wrote: pretty sure entire china is flaming chalice/71/iceiceice/mushi right now
and ame
quoted from reddit:
"How fitting that Ame's failed to carry LGD with Burning's signature hero. lmao"
there has been like some form of mini drama where vgj sylar after winning lgd decided to bm them and then he told burning that he took revenge for him. after that lgd proceeded to mass bm vgj whenever they played and won. right now chinese fans are going to go apeshit on ame because his am was so lackluster in this game lol
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote: this silent crowd is really sad
Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.
100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.
I think the idea that PA is not a farming hero but a fighting hero and cant be a lategame carry is outdated. The game is so different than 1 or 2 years ago. Consider that this PA cant be a farming hero idea stems from the time where magic damage carries basically didnt even exist.
But im also a 4k shitter so who knows.
I agree that the game has changed a lot, however PA basic skill set hasn't. And her skill set is/was the reason she was considered "not ultra late game", imo. At least it makes sense for me, she's strong early/mid because of her passive, and that's basically it.
Which doesnt mean she's not a carry, it just means she's not a ultra late game carry.
She doesnt have spell immunity, illusion spam, or range. When it comes to sieging she's pretty useless. She can carry your team by killing everyone before you push, not by assisting in the push itself (offense or defense).
But yeah, interesting topic but maybe a bit off course here
GG Mineski, I don't know much about the CN/SEA scene but I was rooting for them, not sure why (more interesting drafts?)
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote: this silent crowd is really sad
Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.
100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.
It's exactly what i said man, Chinese crowd cheers only for their teams --> LGD is Chinese. Mineski won they don't cheer.
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote: this silent crowd is really sad
Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.
100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.
It's exactly what i said man, Chinese crowd cheers only for their teams --> LGD is Chinese. Mineski won they don't cheer.
EDIT: i got what you said, sorry.
It's really shitty; you can at least cheer for the fucking winners. We cheered for Wings at TI6
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote: this silent crowd is really sad
Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.
100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.
It's exactly what i said man, Chinese crowd cheers only for their teams --> LGD is Chinese. Mineski won they don't cheer.
EDIT: i got what you said, sorry.
It's really shitty; you can at least cheer for the fucking winners. We cheered for Wings at TI6
because people come to cheer for their favourite teams and they are emotionally attached to them is is not american sport culture where people come to have fun only
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote: this silent crowd is really sad
Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.
100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.
It's exactly what i said man, Chinese crowd cheers only for their teams --> LGD is Chinese. Mineski won they don't cheer.
EDIT: i got what you said, sorry.
It's really shitty; you can at least cheer for the fucking winners. We cheered for Wings at TI6
is it? I wasn't there, but then the camera show people cheering for Wings they all looked asian and waving Chinese flag. Anyways I have some Chinese friends, and its true most of them are not warmly friendly, so its quite the culture.
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote: this silent crowd is really sad
Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.
100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.
It's exactly what i said man, Chinese crowd cheers only for their teams --> LGD is Chinese. Mineski won they don't cheer.
EDIT: i got what you said, sorry.
It's really shitty; you can at least cheer for the fucking winners. We cheered for Wings at TI6
because people come to cheer for their favourite teams and they are emotionally attached to them is is not american sport culture where people come to have fun only
I don't have knowledge about Chinese culture, but yea i think they are really attached to the team more than to the game, is like they really don't care about Dota itself, that's why even if Mineski deserved more and played well the don't cheer for them.
For Europeans and Americans is quite different, like you still watch Real Madrid vs Barcellona or the Superbowl even if your team doesn't even get close to that level of play, just cause is entertaining.
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote: this silent crowd is really sad
Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.
100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.
It's exactly what i said man, Chinese crowd cheers only for their teams --> LGD is Chinese. Mineski won they don't cheer.
EDIT: i got what you said, sorry.
It's really shitty; you can at least cheer for the fucking winners. We cheered for Wings at TI6
because people come to cheer for their favourite teams and they are emotionally attached to them is is not american sport culture where people come to have fun only
I understand all of that and it is perfectly logical, but just a round of claps would've been more than enough for Mineski. They were amazing this tourney, and they are leaving the boot after they have won it and there is no sound, no claps, no cheers, no anything, like the whole arena is completely empty. It feels disrespectful.
Even worse, they are "cheering" for their own team, and you know that they are going to flame the shit out of them on the forums because they didn't manage to win this.
Don't know why fy picked it into DP+Naga+Raptor. Maybe because Ame has a bday today and he asked for his favorite heroes, because Pugna/PL/Bristle/Sven/Jug would have been a much better choice for a last pick.
Oh well, Dota is still in a rough stage of transition.
On April 07 2018 21:39 ForTehDarkseid wrote: That last game was all on AM(e).
Don't know why fy picked it into DP+Naga+Raptor. Maybe because Ame has a bday today and he asked for his favorite heroes, because Pugna/PL/Bristle/Sven/Jug would be a much better fit for a last pick.
Don't know about the others, but PL into Magnus and Bristle into Lifestealer seem kind of poor. It felt like LGD was in a bit of a hard spot for their last pick.
On April 07 2018 21:39 ForTehDarkseid wrote: That last game was all on AM(e).
Don't know why fy picked it into DP+Naga+Raptor. Maybe because Ame has a bday today and he asked for his favorite heroes, because Pugna/PL/Bristle/Sven/Jug would be a much better fit for a last pick.
Don't know about the others, but PL into Magnus and Bristle into Lifestealer seem kind of poor. It felt like LGD was in a bit of a hard spot for their last pick.
PL is simply king of the split-push and he was literally unkillable for the lineup Mineski drafted.
Bristle is actually alright against Naix: he zones the hell out of the enemy team and Naix without rage will sit it in a AOE-slow-disable hell and would only think how to escape. Will be forced to buy Blink/BKB instead of DMG items atleast. But the most important idea is to deal with Disruptor's Glimpse: can't use it offensively against BBGOD.
My point is: LGD needed some kind of tank with split potential, and not raw DPS, to let Lesh to live longer in a fight and dish out extra magic damage. Remember when Mineski won 4x5 and all heroes were red, they used bbacks for it too? If it was any other hero than AM, they will be all dead and got raxxed.
On April 07 2018 21:07 solidbebe wrote: this silent crowd is really sad
Probably the audio from the crowd is lowered so we can't hear them in stream, anyway (don't know it this is true) but i heard from a lot of people that Chinese crowd cheers only for their home team and nothing else.
100% sure this is not the case since there were cheers for LGD plays. It does seem like they only cheer for their own team.
Mineski is real SEA dota, they are consisted of 4 different countries from SEA. And little console for VP cos VP is the only team that Mineski lost to them, lol. But Dota is Dota, Mineski victory now doesnt mean forever, of course i agreed luck was part of the contribution for their success in this DAC.
I think Mushi dream of getting TI can partly comforted by winning this Eastern TI, lol.
Success of Mineski again stress that offlaner and support duo are the key for this meta now. Sorry to say i dont think Mushi and Moonn are the world top carry (no put me wrong, i am coming from same country as Mushi and Moonn and I always support them)
On April 07 2018 23:09 Kelefei2016 wrote: Mineski is real SEA dota, they are consisted of 4 different countries from SEA. And little console for VP cos VP is the only team that Mineski lost to them, lol. But Dota is Dota, Mineski victory now doesnt mean forever, of course i agreed luck was part of the contribution for their success in this DAC.
I think Mushi dream of getting TI can partly comforted by winning this Eastern TI, lol.
Success of Mineski again stress that offlaner and support duo are the key for this meta now. Sorry to say i dont think Mushi and Moonn are the world top carry (no put me wrong, i am coming from same country as Mushi and Moonn and I always support them)
thats the thing tho. mushi and moon doesnt need to be best players at their respective position. jabz+boogie and ice already are one of the best at their respective positions. what they show and how they play is already solid and stable most of the time and complement their team strategy.
and moon played really good in this DAC. he seldom lost his lane and had really big impact with his rotations and itemization in most of their games. i think it is a sign of a good player
On April 07 2018 23:09 Kelefei2016 wrote: Mineski is real SEA dota, they are consisted of 4 different countries from SEA. And little console for VP cos VP is the only team that Mineski lost to them, lol. But Dota is Dota, Mineski victory now doesnt mean forever, of course i agreed luck was part of the contribution for their success in this DAC.
I think Mushi dream of getting TI can partly comforted by winning this Eastern TI, lol.
Success of Mineski again stress that offlaner and support duo are the key for this meta now. Sorry to say i dont think Mushi and Moonn are the world top carry (no put me wrong, i am coming from same country as Mushi and Moonn and I always support them)
thats the thing tho. mushi and moon doesnt need to be best players at their respective position. jabz+boogie and ice already are one of the best at their respective positions. what they show and how they play is already solid and stable most of the time and complement their team strategy.
and moon played really good in this DAC. he seldom lost his lane and had really big impact with his rotations and itemization in most of their games. i think it is a sign of a good player
Yeah moon is extremely competent. Mushi might have some uncharacteristic mishaps sometimes but in general, I think mineski's tricore are all strong enough in that shutting down one of them is never enough in the game.
71 seems like a great addition too as evidenced by their performance.
Game of the tournament was probably LGD/VP g3 still for me, but overall a pretty good grand finals that I couldn't stay awake for its entirety, zz EST timezones. God bless for PGL's video archive.
On April 07 2018 23:09 Kelefei2016 wrote: Mineski is real SEA dota, they are consisted of 4 different countries from SEA. And little console for VP cos VP is the only team that Mineski lost to them, lol. But Dota is Dota, Mineski victory now doesnt mean forever, of course i agreed luck was part of the contribution for their success in this DAC.
I think Mushi dream of getting TI can partly comforted by winning this Eastern TI, lol.
Success of Mineski again stress that offlaner and support duo are the key for this meta now. Sorry to say i dont think Mushi and Moonn are the world top carry (no put me wrong, i am coming from same country as Mushi and Moonn and I always support them)
thats the thing tho. mushi and moon doesnt need to be best players at their respective position. jabz+boogie and ice already are one of the best at their respective positions. what they show and how they play is already solid and stable most of the time and complement their team strategy.
and moon played really good in this DAC. he seldom lost his lane and had really big impact with his rotations and itemization in most of their games. i think it is a sign of a good player
Yeah moon is extremely competent. Mushi might have some uncharacteristic mishaps sometimes but in general, I think mineski's tricore are all strong enough in that shutting down one of them is never enough in the game.
71 seems like a great addition too as evidenced by their performance.
Game of the tournament was probably LGD/VP g3 still for me, but overall a pretty good grand finals that I couldn't stay awake for its entirety, zz EST timezones. God bless for PGL's video archive.
even as someone who wholeheartedly supports iceiceice, i feel if VP won LGD in the semifinals VP would have won the whole thing. Moon really stepped up this tournament, but their previous iterations where they kept giving moon potm/invoker/puck didn't really work out at all and he was just a non factor in all their games even though he was so farmed. his no-hesitance initiation jump feels really good though
On April 07 2018 23:09 Kelefei2016 wrote: Mineski is real SEA dota, they are consisted of 4 different countries from SEA. And little console for VP cos VP is the only team that Mineski lost to them, lol. But Dota is Dota, Mineski victory now doesnt mean forever, of course i agreed luck was part of the contribution for their success in this DAC.
I think Mushi dream of getting TI can partly comforted by winning this Eastern TI, lol.
Success of Mineski again stress that offlaner and support duo are the key for this meta now. Sorry to say i dont think Mushi and Moonn are the world top carry (no put me wrong, i am coming from same country as Mushi and Moonn and I always support them)
thats the thing tho. mushi and moon doesnt need to be best players at their respective position. jabz+boogie and ice already are one of the best at their respective positions. what they show and how they play is already solid and stable most of the time and complement their team strategy.
and moon played really good in this DAC. he seldom lost his lane and had really big impact with his rotations and itemization in most of their games. i think it is a sign of a good player
Yeah moon is extremely competent. Mushi might have some uncharacteristic mishaps sometimes but in general, I think mineski's tricore are all strong enough in that shutting down one of them is never enough in the game.
71 seems like a great addition too as evidenced by their performance.
Game of the tournament was probably LGD/VP g3 still for me, but overall a pretty good grand finals that I couldn't stay awake for its entirety, zz EST timezones. God bless for PGL's video archive.
even as someone who wholeheartedly supports iceiceice, i feel if VP won LGD in the semifinals VP would have won the whole thing. Moon really stepped up this tournament, but their previous iterations where they kept giving moon potm/invoker/puck didn't really work out at all and he was just a non factor in all their games even though he was so farmed. his no-hesitance initiation jump feels really good though
They brought in someone to Draft, which solved a lot of their issues. Moon, Iceiceice & Jabz had an amazing tournament. They probably lose to VP, but LGD did enough to win that series. Thus, Mineski had their shot to win. You need "bracket luck" in these things, as some teams just match up better against others.
if their playmakers like JABZ / Moon fears the westerners to make their usual plays (you could call it respect/overrespect as well) game ends right there.
On April 08 2018 12:39 550 wrote: yeah if Mineski went vs VP
its kind of this asian thing
if their playmakers like JABZ / Moon fears the westerners to make their usual plays (you could call it respect/overrespect as well) game ends right there.
I think this post lacks a couple of sentences to make it comprehensible. I tried a few different possible interpretations but in the end no.
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.... mb slightly prefer VP but that's it, hope to watch a great final!
