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 DAC 2018 Dota 2 Asia Championships/2018StreamsFormat
Teams!![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/ig_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/newbee.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/tehh4ck3r/team_logos/tl_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/vg.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/vp.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/secret_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/mineski.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/tnc.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/Team_VGJ.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/lgd.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/og.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/effect.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/eg.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/tehh4ck3r/team_logos/optic_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/tehh4ck3r/team_logos/pain_gaming_white.png) ![[image loading]](/staff/OmniEulogy/Keen_Gaming.png) Fixtures & Results!Wednesday, Apr 04 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Wednesday, Apr 04 5:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) ![[image loading]](/staff/Julmust/lr_threads/team_logos/234x90/liquid.png) Wednesday, Apr 04 8:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Wednesday, Apr 04 11:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) Results! | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Poll: Evil Genisues vs LGD Gaming Evil Genisues Win (27) LGD Gaming Win (19) 46 total votes Your vote: Evil Genisues vs LGD Gaming Poll: Virtus Pro vs Team Liquid Virtus Pro Win (35) Team Liquid Win (29) 64 total votes Your vote: Virtus Pro vs Team Liquid Poll: Mineski vs Optic Gaming Mineski Win (33) Optic Gaming Win (18) 51 total votes Your vote: Mineski vs Optic Gaming Poll: TNC vs Vici Gaming TNC Win (43) Vici Gaming Win (23) 66 total votes Your vote: TNC vs Vici Gaming | ||
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Kelefei2016
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My preferred team But my last night prediction is 0%, all my favourite teams lost (Newbee, IG, VGJ, Secret), lol | ||
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nVme
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On April 04 2018 07:06 Kelefei2016 wrote: LGD, Liquid, Mineski, Vici My preferred team But my last night prediction is 0%, all my favourite teams lost (Newbee, IG, VGJ, Secret), lol 😂😂😂 feel like all 4 of those will lose today too | ||
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dragonswarrior
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On April 04 2018 07:06 Kelefei2016 wrote: LGD, Liquid, Mineski, Vici My preferred team But my last night prediction is 0%, all my favourite teams lost (Newbee, IG, VGJ, Secret), lol Well forgive me 'cause I hope you're at 0% today too. Go EG, VP, Optic, and TNC! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 04 2018 07:19 Uranium wrote: Top 8 is now 2 CN, 2 SEA, 2 NA, 1 EU, 1 CIS which is pretty hype Pretty nice spread this tournament. That's going to change rapidly after tomorrow, but it's great to see for now. The interesting secondary story to this tournament is DPC points. The lower half of the current Bracket is really, really interesting. Getting to Winner's Final is a locked 675 DPC points, and all 4 teams in the lower half could really use those points. VG would jump to 2835, comfortably in 4th, and likely locked into for TI. Mineski jumps to 1575, which vaults them to 7th (pending EG's outcome). Getting to at least 2nd would put them at 2250, 4th place (pending other results) and extremely unlikely to be dropped from the top 8. Optic just needs points, but they'd be best served by getting at least 2nd. TNC is in the same situation as Optic, though they have 270 points already. TNC isn't locked in for any other LANs right now, so they really need to see if they can ride this one for big points. LGD also needs points, but I see it very unlikely they get through the winner of TL/VP or even passed EG. (However, they have a few more LANs coming up that they're going to, so they have space to score more points.) Related to that, with all but the last two Major LAN participants locked in, I want to say it's mathematically impossible for TL & Secret to be knocked out of the Top 8. Unless there are more LANs we don't know about. We'll discuss that more after DAC is over. | ||
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On April 04 2018 11:17 babysimba wrote: EG draft too scary this game. Capable of winning 3 lanes, can push fast, can scale into late game as well with stuns and bh. Enigma can shutdown TB in the late-game, which means LGD has to end this before it gets too late. | ||
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and terrorblade's networth surpasses troll's for the first time in 30 minutes | ||
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hey arteezy you know you're not supposed to catch the ice blast | ||
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Achaian
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On April 04 2018 11:59 babysimba wrote: 1 min is too long against a troll lineup. Good luck LGD sure about that? :p congrats LGD what a game | ||
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Pontual
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Wineandbread
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Worked out for LGD in the end though. I'm really surprised how fast rtz died in that base push | ||
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Orome
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chalice played pretty well though | ||
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juuto
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On April 04 2018 12:02 CosmicSpiral wrote: Hit 'em with the Liquid. LGD learning from the EU region. What's the Liquid? I thought the Liquid was EG's spectacular fail at going high ground which led to their loss? | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 04 2018 12:03 Orome wrote: rofl what a game chalice played pretty well though Agreed. Played a great clock game, without it, LGD probably loses this badly. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On April 04 2018 12:04 juuto wrote: What's the Liquid? I thought the Liquid was EG's spectacular fail at going high ground which led to their loss? No, that's the Virtus.Throw. The Liquid is when you buy BoTs after the enemy dies and take the throne. | ||
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Wineandbread
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Clock + Spirit Vessel + Blademail op | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 04 2018 12:07 Wineandbread wrote: Look at Chalice's damage, good god. 44.3k, highest in the game. Clock + Spirit Vessel + Blademail op Clock Carry seems to be the opinion of the panel, haha. | ||
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goody153
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this game goes to eg likely | ||
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Orome
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Achaian
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OD, rhasta and underlord. ehhhh | ||
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nVme
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On April 04 2018 12:24 Orome wrote: I haven't watched much dota since TI. Jack seems to have become a better analyst than any of the others since, damn. It's rare that listening to someone on a panel is actually a pleasure. i like kyle, he is like the only one with any passion besides hype casters | ||
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Achaian
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On April 04 2018 12:26 nVme wrote: i like kyle, he is like the only one with any passion besides hype casters I concur, I was a big kyle hater when he was a player but he is a lovely analyst | ||
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babysimba
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Basically EG's tendency to split up across the map more. | ||
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Orome
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On April 04 2018 12:26 nVme wrote: i like kyle, he is like the only one with any passion besides hype casters Haven't gotten to listen to him longer than 10 minutes, but I can easily imagine that. Active pros are usually fun to listen to. | ||
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nVme
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On April 04 2018 12:27 babysimba wrote: LGD seems to draft against EG's playstyle more than their heroes. Basically EG's tendency to split up across the map more. as long as eg focus the od i think they have this | ||
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nVme
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On April 04 2018 12:28 nVme wrote: as long as eg focus the od i think they have this when there is a bh in the game the team with the better teamfight wins, eg should get a lead until the hg push, hg could be a pain, but think they chose bat so they can pull someone out | ||
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goody153
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On April 04 2018 12:27 Achaian wrote: I concur, I was a big kyle hater when he was a player but he is a lovely analyst he should be a real good analyst considering he's previously a captain of a proteam and he has relatively good communication skills he's better than the rest of the panel | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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babysimba
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If I have to choose the few chinese teams that have potential to win TI8, they would be VG and LGD. | ||
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turpentine
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On April 04 2018 12:41 goody153 wrote: lgd cores has been chasing like a bunch of noobs .. what is going on Overconfidence maybe? | ||
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nVme
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edit: kill maybe and getting rosh should be their objectively how bad is egs win probability when sumail has a bad game | ||
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Achaian
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game of overconfidence from both teams | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On April 04 2018 12:50 Achaian wrote: ame got off a great flak and calldown there, he hit just about every hero game of overconfidence from both teams It's ok, he just dies to solo Dark WIllow. Fucking Dark Willown, what a hero. | ||
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goody153
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they keep losing their leads because of hot heads | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 04 2018 12:52 goody153 wrote: lgd keeps overcommiting this game they keep losing their leads because of hot heads Congrats on 30k posts! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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1s far ahead, 2-4 all really tight. | ||
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Achaian
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On April 04 2018 12:52 Mosoball wrote: I don't know why Dark willow does so much dmg lol meanwhile skywrath is crying on the corner, trying to hang himself but his wings keep him aloft | ||
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goody153
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ok my 30 k post is about complaining why lgd is wayy too aggressive | ||
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On April 04 2018 13:02 goody153 wrote: don't think lgd can win this anymore i guess i'm like lgd in predicting while lgd being overaggressive | ||
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Achaian
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On April 04 2018 13:02 goody153 wrote: don't think lgd can win this anymore commenter's curse confirmed to be a thing my boy fy coming in with the big dick rhasta plays | ||
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On April 04 2018 13:06 turpentine wrote: willow really is obnoxious willow is like a better version of puck since i can be played in the support position | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 04 2018 13:06 Orome wrote: did sumail lasso anything in the rosh fight? Maybe with the Astrals kept killing them. | ||
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Lachrymose
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On April 04 2018 13:06 Orome wrote: did sumail lasso anything in the rosh fight? Sumail hasn't cast a spell in two games. | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On April 04 2018 13:06 Orome wrote: did sumail lasso anything in the rosh fight? Yeah, Underlord that got Astraled. On April 04 2018 13:06 babysimba wrote: I was wondering how the fuck LGD got ageis when nobody is killing roshan lol. Rhasta's snakes took him down all alone with some help of luna ult damage. Actually Gyro Flak Cannon and Luna's bounces did the most damage to the Roshan in the end from what I could tell, wards couldn't take him from 1/3 to 0 in like 5 seconds. | ||
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On April 04 2018 13:08 Terrorbladder wrote: From 19-12 to lose 23-23, nice throw TrashTZ hardly rtz's fault this time .. he did as well as he possibly could but he's still a luna the rest didn't look so well fear dk jumping in an awkward position, suma1l catching somebody but in a awful position, misery not really stopping SS from doing shit crit was the only one doing well | ||
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On April 04 2018 13:10 apes wrote: na should just book tickets home after the group stages/bo1s end lol hold up, optic has yet to play, and neither NA team is out of the tournament just yet. don't be trashing my bois in green just yet | ||
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juuto
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On April 04 2018 13:10 apes wrote: na should just book tickets home after the group stages/bo1s end lol What does Optic have to do with EG's failures? It's a bit wrong to compare Optic to a team that's been playing musical chairs with their lineup all season. | ||
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goody153
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On April 04 2018 13:18 Achaian wrote: hold up, optic has yet to play, and neither NA team is out of the tournament just yet. don't be trashing my bois in green just yet Tbh i don't have much hope with optic. You can only do so much with subpar core players. Maybe they can fluke this tournament but they'll have a hard time maintaining their form for sure. | ||
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On April 04 2018 13:21 goody153 wrote: Tbh i don't have much hope with optic. You can only do so much with subpar core players. Maybe they can fluke this tournament but they'll have a hard time maintaining their form for sure. well, there is this crazy thing called improving. I think 33 has tons of potential. Pajkatt is fine. Ccnc though... So, Liquid vs EG bo1... I look forward to the wailing and gnashing of teeth either way. | ||
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Lachrymose
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On April 04 2018 13:21 goody153 wrote: Tbh i don't have much hope with optic. You can only do so much with subpar core players. Maybe they can fluke this tournament but they'll have a hard time maintaining their form for sure. What's your opinion on 'personalities' praising Pajkatt non stop? | ||
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On April 04 2018 13:26 Lachrymose wrote: What's your opinion on 'personalities' praising Pajkatt non stop? Not gonna lie he makes little overextensions from what i've seen(he also makes less plays so there's that he's not a very risky player but the tradeoff is that he looks stable and safe). So i guess it's partly true ? But it could also be that he's a peer to them | ||
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Achaian
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On April 04 2018 13:35 goody153 wrote: Not gonna lie he makes little overextensions from what i've seen(he also makes less plays so there's that he's not a very risky player but the tradeoff is that he looks stable and safe). So i guess it's partly true ? But it could also be that he's a peer to them It's hard to criticize people heaping praise on pajkatt because 1. he is that careful player and 2. optic's style revolves around feeding him everything. The praise is definitely overblown as far as I'm concerned | ||
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goody153
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On April 04 2018 13:26 Achaian wrote: well, there is this crazy thing called improving. I think 33 has tons of potential. Pajkatt is fine. Ccnc though... Yeah pajkatt is fine but still not sold with 33. Ccnc is just weird and inconsistent though. | ||
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Pls don't be an offlane chen | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On April 04 2018 13:49 goody153 wrote: Matumbaman veno(some people are gonna be triggered by this) and MC NP. Pls don't be an offlane chen It's Miracle NP, they have been doing this for 3 games already. Last game they have played also was MC on Underlord and Miracle on NP. No way Pasha is going to play Chen. This is going to be an interesting game, both teams play fast games with drafts like these. Gonna be an action packed game. | ||
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On April 04 2018 13:30 Steelavocado wrote: edit: overreaction. Unfortunate chinese crowd (VERY GENERALLY SPEAKING) is biased vs chinese teams and dips out if they get knocked out. of course they cheer for their favourite team. | ||
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Curious to see how strong the TL ball is when they march down a lane. Not sure if VP will be able to stop them | ||
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On April 04 2018 14:12 goody153 wrote: vp are playing passive as shit TL is also borrowing, with their own flare, from TNC's approach. | ||
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babysimba
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Liquid's furion playstyle didn't change much from TI7 no matter who is playing him. | ||
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i have not seen them play so complacent like this | ||
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i think they're gonna get cheese'd draft next game | ||
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On April 04 2018 14:17 LennX wrote: 22mins and 2 lanes of rax WOWOWOW i honestly would've "WOW'd" if VP played like VP they played like a pub player who just work up and just queued then played like rtz just farmed until they lose the entire map | ||
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CosmicSpiral
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On April 04 2018 14:18 bLzPostman wrote: I think this is simply Liquid has played against VP so much that when they play their cookie-cutter line up they know how to play against it. Other teams just do not have this experience yet. As a rebuttal, Liquid's draft is very linear and easy to see coming. Why VP didn't ban Underlord in the second phase is a mystery. | ||
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goody153
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On April 04 2018 14:18 bLzPostman wrote: I think this is simply Liquid has played against VP so much that when they play their cookie-cutter line up they know how to play against it. Other teams just do not have this experience yet. Nah VP played against a draft like that no problem. They really just played complacent as shit. Confident they'd outfarm and outscale liquid and just not contest against the pushing lineup | ||
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bluzi
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On April 04 2018 14:20 goody153 wrote: Nah VP played against a draft like that. They really just played complacent as shit. Confident they'd outfarm and outscale liquid and just not contest against the pushing lineup I think they knew what liquid wants to do and just farmed as they should , that mid meed train cost them too much. | ||
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On April 04 2018 14:21 Taf the Ghost wrote: VP woke up. LMAO i thought of the same thing they're playing like VP now .. not fucking EG with a passive draft | ||
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Ramiz1989
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On April 04 2018 14:19 CosmicSpiral wrote: As a rebuttal, Liquid's draft is very linear and easy to see coming. Why VP didn't ban Underlord in the second phase is a mystery. Yeah that was strange for me as well. Very nice hold by VP. EDIT: Hood on Naix, not something you see every day. :D | ||
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On April 04 2018 14:19 CosmicSpiral wrote: As a rebuttal, Liquid's draft is very linear and easy to see coming. Why VP didn't ban Underlord in the second phase is a mystery. VP was expecting a carry pick as last pick, and going Underlord is somewhat allinnish for TL. I think in general this shows a difference between these two teams. VP would never play a lineup like this I think. Their lineups are somewhat "standard" drafts quite often with good lanes, good amounts of catch, multiple sources of initiation, etc. Their lineups generally allow them to do things throughout the game and outplay the enemy. But there are lineups such as this one or some KotL timing pushes which have an incredibly strong 5 man timing even if they lack in other areas. | ||
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On April 04 2018 14:28 goody153 wrote: solo mango vendor confirmed It is legit LOL. solo, giver of mana | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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We could be here for a while. | ||
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goody153
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On April 04 2018 14:33 Taf the Ghost wrote: We now have a late-game NP game. Can VP kill Miracle twice so they can actually push TL's base? We could be here for a while. i blame VP for playing asleep until like the 2nd rax down | ||
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On April 04 2018 14:36 goody153 wrote: I think if DK gets AC or Satanic liquid will probably never kill him in a 5v5 fight The strategy is to kick him in the middle of the forest with Tusk aghs and kill the Chen so he cant be sent back | ||
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abyssal would solve the furion problem here | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 04 2018 14:34 goody153 wrote: i blame VP for playing asleep until like the 2nd rax down Agreed. | ||
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On April 04 2018 14:42 LennX wrote: So who kicked the cable LOL gh | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 04 2018 14:42 LennX wrote: So who kicked the cable LOL Gh. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
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User was warned for this post | ||
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On April 04 2018 14:44 bluzi wrote: Well , the VP draft was not bad but liquid just hit their now standard 5 man 18 min mid rax push , lets see if VP just bans furion next or not. I don't think it matters if liquid gets NP but rather whether VP will play a slow game like last game and not respond to liquid giving all the advantages again | ||
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[edit] Poor Pasha | ||
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On April 04 2018 14:44 uthgard wrote: nvm it's over, few mistakes vp made ended up costing them the game. and lol rodjer chen People that think Rodjer's Chen was bad don't really understand how impactful he was in this game. All the fights that VP took were possible because 2 lanes that they have lost were actually pushed with 2 Dragons most of the time. Yeah, he got caught bunch of times, but Liquid had the map control and Rodjer had to be out of the base to farm Aghs or take Creeps, if you are sitting idle in base just to not get caught, then you lost the game already. He also gave important info because it is much better for him to get caught than any of their 3 cores. | ||
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On April 04 2018 14:47 goody153 wrote: I don't think it matters if liquid gets NP but rather whether VP will play a slow game like last game and not respond to liquid giving all the advantages again I think its impossible to fight liquid 5 man lineup early with what VP had , they had a disruptor which is not what you want in a passive lineup , so once Liquid committed to the Furion #1 and not #5 (which they run as well) they went with the lets outfarm and outfight them which was a good idea if they didnt feed mid with nonoe after losing the LS which cost them mid rax and bot. you could see the idea of prolonging the game that even with 2 rax down they were still winning the team fights , liquid are amazing at capitalizing on mistakes and putting a TON of pressure when they run those push strats and to be honest this looks like their only winning formula lately (of course not the only one , but by far their most successful)so i don`t think they want to deviate from it unless they have too. Lets see if VP let them try the 5 man again with UL and the likes or they want to play a more normal game of Dota. | ||
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liquid takes this series .. probably good news cause mineski vs optic seems more exciting | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:12 goody153 wrote: VP playing a single core slow scaling lineup vs a snowbally sieging lineup by liquid liquid takes this series .. probably good news cause mineski vs optic seems more exciting the naga idea is intersting as early push means no BKB so they can reset the fight and focus whoever they want , lets see if it works out or not. | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:15 bluzi wrote: the naga idea is intersting as early push means no BKB so they can reset the fight and focus whoever they want , lets see if it works out or not. they have a solo damage which is the TB if they can position him properly per fight(or he doesn't get focused) maybe the sleep will help but VP never seem to be a naga team i still feel like liquid will win this .. it's not the standard dual-core that VP normally does | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:27 Geisterkarle wrote: Yeah, but the rest of liquid is throwing themselves under the VP-bus! This is looking pretty good for liquid. They even have the better lineup (assuming VP doesn't hold too long and TB becomes ridiculous) | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:35 spudde123 wrote: Ramzes could have just sundered the Chen? Yup, that was a mistake by him. | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:32 bluzi wrote: 14-4 vs a pushing lineup and they still lose , damn liquid meta is CRAZY strong right now , win laning stage roll game , lose laning stage (kill wise as LD still farmed) still win . this is dealable VP just didn't draft to deal with it (also timber later pick rocks) | ||
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Don't let another TI go down to the siege meta. | ||
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liquid is the 2nd team to beat this iteration of VP in a b03 | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:44 maze. wrote: Radiant is now 10-2 during the main event. I'm gonna make a guess. It's how the camera works right ? It's much harder to initiate from above than below | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:52 juuto wrote: Knew Liquid was going to do it and now I'm hoping for great results from Optic. I'm hoping not. I want either mineski/LGD/TNC to get good results this major so that navi gets kicked out from the free invite cause they are the only one who is really weak from the top 8 I want TI invites to be of those deserving | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:46 goody153 wrote: I'm gonna make a guess. It's how the camera works right ? It's much harder to initiate from above than below Read a reddit thread about Radiant vs Dire few weeks ago, like all of the heroes have ~4-5% higher win rate when played on Radiant side, it is worrying. | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:59 Ramiz1989 wrote: Read a reddit thread about Radiant vs Dire few weeks ago, like all of the heroes have ~4-5% higher win rate when played on Radiant side, it is worrying. I'm curious why did most heroes have higher winrate ? I thought dire's jungle area especially the offlane jungle is much better than the radiant. Does radiant initiation angle on rosh make it easier for radiant ? Or is it much easier to push as radiant than dire ? | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:57 goody153 wrote: I'm hoping not. I want either mineski/LGD/TNC to get good results this major so that navi gets kicked out from the free invite cause they are the only one who is really weak from the top 8 I want TI invites to be of those deserving even if they're kicked, there's still high chance they'll be in TI due to CIS qualifier but its better just Navi rather than Navi + random CIS team | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:57 goody153 wrote: I'm hoping not. I want either mineski/LGD/TNC to get good results this major so that navi gets kicked out from the free invite cause they are the only one who is really weak from the top 8 I want TI invites to be of those deserving Na'Vi has no chance of holding onto that spot without more points. | ||
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On April 04 2018 15:57 goody153 wrote: I'm hoping not. I want either mineski/LGD/TNC to get good results this major so that navi gets kicked out from the free invite cause they are the only one who is really weak from the top 8 I want TI invites to be of those deserving Na'vi being kicked out is an inevitability and I would love for NA to have more teams in the running for TI invite. I just feel like even if EG gets enough points for an invite, it'll be TI7 all over again. They can accomplish things every now and then but I have no faith in them at TI. | ||
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On April 04 2018 16:07 nothingmuch wrote: Kind of amusing how the oh so beloved format instantly produced an elimination bo1 between EG and VP. This outcome is hardly different from Swiss despite twice as many games. People will have to get used to the fact that the top ~5-10 teams pretty much all can take games/series off each other and your favorite team can always make an early exit (see secret and newbee). I mean, it...shouldn't be EG vs VP. Lower brackets are usually A vs D and B vs C (or A vs C and B vs D, whichever). Did someone mess up with Liquipedia, or is that how they're actually seeding the lower bracket? | ||
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On April 04 2018 16:16 WolfintheSheep wrote: I mean, it...shouldn't be EG vs VP. Lower brackets are usually A vs D and B vs C (or A vs C and B vs D, whichever). Did someone mess up with Liquipedia, or is that how they're actually seeding the lower bracket? EG should face VP. It's only in R2 LB they face an opponent from the other half of the bracket, so they don't meet LGD or Liquid again. | ||
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i miss wings On April 04 2018 16:16 WolfintheSheep wrote: I mean, it...shouldn't be EG vs VP. Lower brackets are usually A vs D and B vs C (or A vs C and B vs D, whichever). Did someone mess up with Liquipedia, or is that how they're actually seeding the lower bracket? idk if it's how dac actually does it, but it's pretty usual, ti does it too. the switch happens after the semis (so loser of lgd vp drops to the lower part of the lb) | ||
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On April 04 2018 16:07 nothingmuch wrote: Kind of amusing how the oh so beloved format instantly produced an elimination bo1 between EG and VP. This outcome is hardly different from Swiss despite twice as many games. People will have to get used to the fact that the top ~5-10 teams pretty much all can take games/series off each other and your favorite team can always make an early exit (see secret and newbee). Personally I just like the group stage format because each team plays multiple different teams instead of just a few. For me it doesn't have much to do with the format somehow being better of guaranteeing some result. In almost every group stage there is some sort of an "upset" anyway and the bracket ends up having a really good matchup early on that people wouldn't have predicted before the event started. On April 04 2018 16:16 WolfintheSheep wrote: I mean, it...shouldn't be EG vs VP. Lower brackets are usually A vs D and B vs C (or A vs C and B vs D, whichever). Did someone mess up with Liquipedia, or is that how they're actually seeding the lower bracket? I don't think there's anything wrong. The side you drop into switches in the WB semis so you don't face the same team twice. Doing the first round like this is fine. | ||
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On April 04 2018 16:24 Taf the Ghost wrote: Zai on Jakiro seems strange, but there has to be a reason for it. They switched. ppd on Jakiro & Zai on WW. That makes a lot more sense. | ||
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On April 04 2018 16:07 nothingmuch wrote: Kind of amusing how the oh so beloved format instantly produced an elimination bo1 between EG and VP. This outcome is hardly different from Swiss despite twice as many games. People will have to get used to the fact that the top ~5-10 teams pretty much all can take games/series off each other and your favorite team can always make an early exit (see secret and newbee). there's a difference between top team eliminated early in group stage and later in the knockout stage. not to mention prize money included. | ||
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On April 04 2018 16:27 Orome wrote: Also what the fuck is up with those floating Liquipedia ads. I still remember the first super apologetic announcement about having tiny non-obtrusive ads on the main site. Jesus TL. Make sure to report those on the main tlnet site so it can be fixed | ||
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On April 04 2018 16:38 ShiaoPi wrote: Make sure to report those on the main tlnet site so it can be fixed Ah they're not intended? Thanks, that's nice to know. | ||
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On April 04 2018 16:45 babysimba wrote: Nice to see iceiceice go back to his hotd playstyle. One reason why EG does decently these days is because they abuse hotd. That item is broken. | ||
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Especially controlling enemy catapult which is even better than controlling a centaur for extra stun. | ||
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On April 04 2018 16:51 babysimba wrote: Especially controlling enemy catapult which is even better than controlling a centaur for extra stun. An HOD'd catapult shouldn't be able to hold an entire lane against 3 heroes like that. Anyway, Optic needs to not open with Sand King, as I think teams have figured out how to pigeonhole them later in the draft with it. 33 needs to be on a hero that does more damage. Though this game got away because of that Abaddon + Prophet lane. Never knew that was a thing, but it worked way too well. | ||
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On April 04 2018 17:05 rabidch wrote: i thought he canceled the tp to place a vessel (or somethign) on morph but it was blocked by linkens? Someone probably needs to check the replay. | ||
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On April 04 2018 17:10 Taf the Ghost wrote: Someone probably needs to check the replay. quick vod check shows i was wrong, morph was bkbd during that time. just canceled, threw an auto at morph and then taunted | ||
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all he cannot do is make NA team win today | ||
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Optic has little chance to answer the pace Mineski can keep with their heroes | ||
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On April 04 2018 17:05 rabidch wrote: i thought he canceled the tp to place a vessel (or somethign) on morph but it was blocked by linkens? Pretty sure Linkens doesn't block Urn or Vessel. | ||
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On April 04 2018 17:45 spudde123 wrote: When is Necro coming back to kill all these tanky cores Necro just makes the tank worse. | ||
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now mineski just has to win without anybody dying from either teams | ||
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On April 04 2018 17:45 babysimba wrote: Furion did everything this game, from winning the lane, to ganking, to pushing, to stacking, to getting utility items In the next round, NP will be banned and Mineski probably drops 0-2. Though keeping Jabz off the Nyx is important too. | ||
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Also confirmed that gyro is still the superior gyro and luna being the inferior gyro | ||
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On April 04 2018 17:51 Taf the Ghost wrote: In the next round, NP will be banned and Mineski probably drops 0-2. Though keeping Jabz off the Nyx is important too. Mineski picked Furion and Abaddon only once in groups and went 6-1 still. Also if they face TNC, pretty sure Mineski has had a pretty big matchup advantage against them online at least. e: Actually looking at Mineski vs TNC results it hasn't been quite as bad as I remembered | ||
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On April 04 2018 17:52 juuto wrote: NA is just so behind the other regions. At least there's a lower bracket. At least NA is still better than SA | ||
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All NA teams are still in the tournament while only 1/3 of the EU teams remain. | ||
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On April 04 2018 18:01 juuto wrote: All NA teams are still in the tournament while only 1/3 of the EU teams remain. I forgot VP isn't EU. How many teams are eliminated from EU already secret, og ? | ||
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On April 04 2018 18:07 goody153 wrote: Is EG facing Optic in the lower bracket ? please be true I forgot VP isn't EU. How many teams are eliminated from EU already secret, og ? EG vs VP; Optic vs Loser of TNC/VG. So, most likely, VG. | ||
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On April 04 2018 18:11 Taf the Ghost wrote: EG vs VP; Optic vs Loser of TNC/VG. So, most likely, VG. What a time where TNC is likelier winner than probably chinas 2nd best team(or best) Boo i would've wanted a EG vs Optic grudgematch | ||
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EG vs VP i guess happens but it should be on the bottom as the bracket should flip itself in a double elimination? Should be VP vs EG vs loser of Mineski/TNC/VG Way it has it would be LGD/Liquid vs VP/EG in a bo1? | ||
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On April 04 2018 19:09 BlazingGlory wrote: The loser of top semi just drops to bottom losers and bracket is fine. Oh yeah i guess xD | ||
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On April 04 2018 18:43 Kipsate wrote: what happende w EG and VP wtf Eg got crushed by LGD VP got meme pushed by Liquid .. also VP forgot how to play dota game 1 literally gave all their objectives | ||
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Good joke. Even both NA teams at this tournament put together wouldn't form a complete NA roster. SA teams have pride at least. | ||
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On April 04 2018 19:27 Lucumo wrote: Good joke. Even both NA teams at this tournament put together wouldn't form a complete NA roster. SA teams have pride at least. dude they scream USA USA USA for SEA team as long as they beat China | ||
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On April 04 2018 19:26 MrCon wrote: Liquid played heroes that can slow the gank train of VP, it was pretty smart drafting in retrospect. I think VP just played completely complacent and gave most of their objectives without trying to contest(they literally gave two raxes before contesting) Game two on the other hand was just liquid drafting better with tanky cores and VP having only single clear damage dealer which was TB. Puck can only do so much | ||
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On April 04 2018 19:38 Vertical wrote: OMG THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE TEAM SWITCH SIDE SINCE THE BREAKOUT STAGE !!!! WHATS HAPPENING ?!?! TNC WANTED TO PROVE DOMINANCE BY SWITCHING TO THE LOSING SIDE AND WIN(assuming it was TNC who switched) | ||
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Radiant seems to have an advantage. How is this coming? Better jungle design? I have also +5% winrate on Radiant. Also: Who chooses the sides? The team with the better group stage? | ||
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i think this could also be a slark aghs game | ||
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On April 04 2018 19:48 Qualitaetsgarant wrote: Can you guys give me a bit more information about the radian/dire winrate discussion? Radiant seems to have an advantage. How is this coming? Better jungle design? I have also +5% winrate on Radiant. Also: Who chooses the sides? The team with the better group stage? Apart from the radiant/dire ratio being like 12:2 or something this playoffs. I suspect it's the angle of initiation. It's weirdly much harder for dire than radiant | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:08 goody153 wrote: Apart from the radiant/dire ratio being like 12:2 or something this playoffs. I suspect it's the angle of initiation. It's weirdly much harder for dire than radiant It is a fairly small sample size and looking at how the big stomps the games were it is hard to make a good judgement from the data | ||
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On April 04 2018 19:57 Kipsate wrote: Slark, what year is this it's a good slark game i think .. enemy lineup being batrider/wd/sk as the only slark control which is kinda decent for slark and linkens can make it already impossible not to mention the omni pick the cores are TB and TA which slark are both good against | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:09 ragnorr wrote: It is a fairly small sample size and looking at how the big stomps the games were it is hard to make a good judgement from the data It's just the playoffs data i have no idea where the +5% winrate for most radiant heroes is from | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:11 goody153 wrote: It's just the playoffs data i have no idea where the +5% winrate for most radiant heroes is from https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/843562/faction_imbalance_every_hero_has_at_least_a_5/ | ||
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by disappearing when about to be sundered, and TB ends up sunder another teammate but Slark has accumulate stat-steal anyway? | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:15 spudde123 wrote: Slark was a pretty popular counterpick against TB when TB first came to CM after TI4. I remember some EG vs c9 games where EG ran some Zeus+Slark against c9's TB spam Yeah i remember that along with c9's own counter to TB being a safelane riki (that was the old riki) but that was before this broken reflection talent TB currently has. | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:20 Vertical wrote: how does Slark counter TB? by disappearing when about to be sundered, and TB ends up sunder another teammate but Slark has accumulate stat-steal anyway? Yep that's about it. Combined with bkb linkens he just becomes an impossible target for sunder. He can't be targetted he draws focus from other heroes as well. Pretty much complete nuisance. Slark when gets enough items can kill tanky heroes within the duration of the shadow thing. | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:23 goody153 wrote: didn't know you can be stuck on the side of the wardspot Yep that's about it. Combined with bkb linkens he just becomes an impossible target for sunder. He can't be targetted he draws focus from other heroes as well. Pretty much complete nuisance. Slark when gets enough items can kill tanky heroes within the duration of the shadow thing. well Slark is currently 12-0-10 now, so yeah... | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:24 Vertical wrote: well Slark is currently 12-0-10 now, so yeah... It's a pretty good slark game so idk how the hero fairs against a normal lineup. | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:25 goody153 wrote: It's a pretty good slark game so idk how the hero fairs against a normal lineup. Slark is not easy hero to play though. I think practice is really needed to play and time his abilities. Unlike Sven for example than you can be good at just by imagining what to do. Slark is 13-0-12 now | ||
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Slark aside, picking TB into OD and Lion is pretty brave from TNC | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:31 spudde123 wrote: I don't think Slark completely "counters" TB but he does have the ability to hunt the TB when he is farming up and when you help him with some damage he can finish TB off in those situations or in fights. Back then the game wasn't obviously exactly the same so hard to precisely compare the pick, but Slark as a hero has some benefits against TB that other carries don't have Slark aside, picking TB into OD and Lion is pretty brave from TNC Yeah i mean not really hard counter but his ability set makes him a pretty good hero against TB compared to other carries(like gyro or whatever). It can still go either way but slark certainly has the edge in a straight up brawl | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:33 Yurie wrote: Noooo, we will no see more Slarks in pubs. Back to banning it again I guess. Or doing strong dual lanes against him. They had pretty strong supports this game to protect him and a bat is not going to be able to kill a Slark if both are even in levels. It's still a pretty shit laner and hero in general. I'd still pick gyro over that hero 10/10 | ||
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I rate VG the most promising chinese team because they are probably the best chinese team in macro. Well they have a TI winning + finalist coach after all. | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:34 goody153 wrote: It's still a pretty shit laner and hero in general. I'd still pick gyro over that hero 10/10 Different types, Slark is actually really good against Gyro for example. Slark isn't a standard pick like before anymore, he is last pick material like Brood, Tinker etc, when you don't have enough counters as Lion and SS just shits on him, heroes that make Halberd too. Also his laning is buffed a lot in this patch since his base regen is buffed up to 2.75 hp/sec which is a lot for hero like Slark. | ||
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Poll: TNC vs VG Game 3 CHINA NUMBAH WAN (6) PINOYS BEST RACE in the WORLD (0) 6 total votes Your vote: TNC vs VG Game 3 (Vote): CHINA NUMBAH WAN i'm leaning on my flair | ||
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On April 04 2018 20:47 goody153 wrote: Poll: TNC vs VG Game 3 CHINA NUMBAH WAN (6) PINOYS BEST RACE in the WORLD (0) 6 total votes Your vote: TNC vs VG Game 3 (Vote): CHINA NUMBAH WAN i'm leaning on my flair ok why not, I voted for VG only because Mikasa is there his documentary on VGR Starladder run touched my heart | ||
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my old heroes favourite heroes like Leshrac, Phoenix, Rubick are brought back to live! | ||
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how do you catch up on dk xD | ||
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On April 04 2018 21:06 LemOn wrote: that was on storm tho how do you catch up on dk xD it can be done so long as TNC doesn't force pushing | ||
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surprise motherfucker :D This is such a collosal outdraft btw, wp tnc such curveball with the tiny supp | ||
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locked them and its gg | ||
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Tnc is trying to throw? :D | ||
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going on DP without ulti looked stupid But they didnt know for sure (didn't see rosh justy briefly with ilu) | ||
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On April 04 2018 21:38 Ramiz1989 wrote: Would love for VG to come back, this tourney desperately needs games that aren't one-sided. Well there were games with comebacks, they just require people like Sumail to blackhole nothing and die. | ||
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goody153
44125 Posts
On April 04 2018 21:46 Ramiz1989 wrote: From 28k advantage to 8k advantage. Now this is a true comeback. we don't even suma1l for this lmao | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On April 04 2018 21:06 LemOn wrote: that was on storm tho how do you catch up on dk xD I guesspatiently wait for the enemy team to fuck up and feed you rapier too :D | ||
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DropBear
Australia4353 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On April 04 2018 21:50 goody153 wrote: damn it TNC you just need to finsh the game so that we got an assured top 3 SEA team so that navi gets bumped out of the top 8 which they don't deserve we don't even suma1l for this lmao Na`Vi will be out of top 8 soon anyway. | ||
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goody153
44125 Posts
Not if the top 4 on this tournament are from the top 8 already. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
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LennX
4553 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On April 04 2018 21:53 goody153 wrote: Not if the top 4 on this tournament are from the top 8 already. But there are more tournaments after this one, Na`Vi with the current roster is losing to unknown random Russian stacks with Russian streamers and pub stars, they are not getting any more points. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
is the range unlimited? | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On April 04 2018 21:55 LemOn wrote: WTF is this 25 timber hahaha is the range unlimited? Doubled, from 1400 to 2800.  | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
that's pretty much unlimited, you'd have to target straight down the lane not to hit something haha | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
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goody153
44125 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
amazing draft but got outplayed hard mid late game | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
lost 2 rapier in one game and drop from top of the net worth chart to the bottom | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
it has been a while I've seen such a slutty rapier usually game ends quite soon after it's purchased | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On April 04 2018 21:59 LemOn wrote: that's pretty much unlimited, you'd have to target straight down the lane not to hit something haha Well the problem is in team fights that when you miss a tree that you wanted to hit by little, you hit another tree that is like 2000 range from the one you wanted to hit, and while you walk back to team fight the fight is already over. You timberchain straight up to Africa. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 04 2018 22:00 juuto wrote: Do people not go for objectives when they're 25k networth ahead anymore? What's the deal here? they cannot see the net worth lead | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
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juuto
809 Posts
Well they've played enough pro games and have enough sense to know they were far enough ahead to take the game. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4353 Posts
pure nuggets of wisdom from swindlemelonzz, greatest analyst of all time | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On April 04 2018 22:05 juuto wrote: Well they've played enough pro games and have enough sense to know they were far enough ahead to take the game. Phoenix and Underlord are some of the best base defense heroes in the game. It's not like TNC didn't go for any pushes, they went and didn't manage to get enough done. Maybe it was the wrong time or they did them poorly, but it's far from simple in the moment. You can't sit and hit the building against those heroes if they are alive, they will kill you from far away really easily with little committed. Even when 25k or whatever ahead at 45mins, you can easily lose a fight against certain types of lineups with one error. Or in this case they didn't use the gold they had to have an answer against the Aeon Disk | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
On April 04 2018 22:12 spudde123 wrote: Phoenix and Underlord are some of the best base defense heroes in the game. It's not like TNC didn't go for any pushes, they went and didn't manage to get enough done. Maybe it was the wrong time or they did them poorly, but it's far from simple in the moment If Phoenix and Underlord were that good at defending the base where massive networth advantages didn't matter, they'd be nerfed into the ground tomorrow. Like Kyle said, TNC didn't play to win, and that's why the game was drawn out long enough for VG to win. Whether it was through throws or whatever, TNC allowed all those opportunities for VG to happen. When good teams play this patch, games end soon when networth leads are that large. There's really no excuse for TNC. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On April 04 2018 22:20 juuto wrote: If Phoenix and Underlord were that good at defending the base where massive networth advantages didn't matter, they'd be nerfed into the ground tomorrow. Like Kyle said, TNC didn't play to win, and that's why the game was drawn out long enough for VG to win. Whether it was through throws or whatever, TNC allowed all those opportunities for VG to happen. When good teams play this patch, games end soon when networth leads are that large. There's really no excuse for TNC. Of course they allowed it to happen, but it doesn't mean it's as simple as randomly "going for objectives". Underlord and Phoenix have other weaknesses, and of course certain heroes can go highground against them better. TNC had a Gyro as their only hero who could do any building damage. It's a weakness of the lineup to an extent. Compare this to the times your "good teams" play, e.g. Liquid drafted a heavy timing push lineup in both games against VP and VP had no heroes that could spam from far away as well as Underlord or Phoenix can. Of course TL can go high ground easily in those cases What VG did well was sneaking the rosh when TNC had taken their first rax. That likely would have been the game ending aegis. Then TNC tried to go when DP ult was down, but they couldn't deal with the Aeon Disk and the Cheese on DP. I need to see the game again to remember exactly what the teams did after that, but I believe TNC wanted to wait for the next aegis but VG started to win teamfights outside the base at that point | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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korendir
Singapore259 Posts
On April 04 2018 07:06 Kelefei2016 wrote: LGD, Liquid, Mineski, Vici My preferred team But my last night prediction is 0%, all my favourite teams lost (Newbee, IG, VGJ, Secret), lol Wow dude, you got it 100% this time lol | ||
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