I'm not sure how much you can take away from the group stage in this tournament since they were best of 1s. Mineski beating them once there clearly doesn't mean they'll auto-win every game they play against them afterwards.

Papercappu

Canada2210 Posts

January 05 2018 23:47 GMT

#69

is this pudge legit pick or they're just denying it for secret? i dont watch that much SEA dota

cecek

Czech Republic18921 Posts

January 05 2018 23:53 GMT

#70

That was an Envy play by iceiceice. Hangs around at 200 hp like a boss, then just dies to a pounce. the fuck was he thinking?

Wineandbread

United States2065 Posts

January 06 2018 00:15 GMT

#71

clinical by secret

WK pos4/5 new meta

Archeon

3253 Posts

January 06 2018 00:16 GMT

#72

On January 06 2018 08:24 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
I'm not sure how much you can take away from the group stage in this tournament since they were best of 1s. Mineski beating them once there clearly doesn't mean they'll auto-win every game they play against them afterwards.

Not denying that Secret are likely the favorites for the tournament, just saying that they looked less dominant than in the major they won and that there's more to being "by far the best team since TI" than winning a single stacked tournament.

PhoenixVoid

Canada32740 Posts

January 06 2018 00:16 GMT

#73

Secret looking super strong for the rest of the tourney despite a poor group stage.

Minishield

Italy145 Posts

January 06 2018 00:22 GMT

#74

On January 06 2018 09:16 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Secret looking super strong for the rest of the tourney despite a poor group stage.

That was more an outdraft than just execution. Mineski draft just couldnt deal with Dusa and WK.

But still Secret looking strong

TomatoBisque

United States6290 Posts

January 06 2018 00:41 GMT

#75

On January 06 2018 08:22 Archeon wrote:

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Wut? You noticed Secret has half of liquid's results since TI, right?

And struggled a lot in the groupstage actually.

Secret has the most DPC points and has been in the finals of both Majors (and won one of them). Liquid won two minors (one of which Secret didn't even attend). Secret has also beat Liquid in their last 3 series (2-1, 2-1, 3-0)

By what measure has Liquid been doing better post-TI?

Papercappu

Canada2210 Posts

January 06 2018 00:59 GMT

#76

the current top 3 teams are around the same level. i wouldnt say any of them are the best. liquid is more consistent but secret played better at their peak. VP is strong but they tend to struggle in hard games

cecek

Czech Republic18921 Posts

January 06 2018 02:11 GMT

#77

Secret has been the best team in the new season by any metric imaginable, there's no conversation to be had here.

MetalMercury

United States1161 Posts

January 06 2018 02:49 GMT

#78

On January 06 2018 09:22 Minishield wrote:

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That was more an outdraft than just execution. Mineski draft just couldnt deal with Dusa and WK.

But still Secret looking strong

Yep; I'm pretty happy with Mineski's performance in this tournament! They got some points back on the board, and they're a team that's much better in captain's mode IMO than in captain's draft since their drafting is not their strong suit imo.

Nothing wrong with losing here to a team like Secret. The hope is to be able to beat them when TI comes around; if you have to lose now to begin learning then that's a fine trade imo.

Kelefei2016

Papua New Guinea504 Posts

January 06 2018 07:01 GMT

#79

Secret's Midone seemed easily killed by opponents. Thats the opponents aim or because Midone standing in the fragile position?

Kelefei2016

Papua New Guinea504 Posts

January 06 2018 07:05 GMT

#80

On January 06 2018 07:42 nVme wrote:
i honestly think jabz is a top 4 position player

Agreed. Maybe somehow he was Faceless carry before do help him in undertsanding and assisting the carry.

But i guess Secret Yapzor is a little bit better than Jabz