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Pandemona
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Poll: Newbee vs Na'Vi Na'Vi Win (17) Newbee Win (13) 30 total votes Your vote: Newbee vs Na'Vi Poll: Evil Geniuses vs Virtus Pro Virtus Pro Win (14) Evil Geniuses Win (5) 19 total votes Your vote: Evil Geniuses vs Virtus Pro | ||
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Noone be like "lemme get a hood and magic resist talent" | ||
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EG holds their own in teamfights despite a 12-10K gold disadvantage. | ||
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On December 02 2017 19:51 nojok wrote: Terrible game, EG relied heavily on VP going full throw, EG did not make a single good call that game. Good teamfight and farming patterns though but they still need a leader, individual skill won't bring you further. Wyvern I think is now out of the Meta. Teams found ways to punish the early pick of it. VP just couldn't close the game before Medusa got too big. I also don't think VP really threw, but they were pressing because they felt the timer getting closer. That explains the last few fights. | ||
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On December 02 2017 20:00 Taf the Ghost wrote: Wyvern I think is now out of the Meta. Teams found ways to punish the early pick of it. VP just couldn't close the game before Medusa got too big. I also don't think VP really threw, but they were pressing because they felt the timer getting closer. That explains the last few fights. It still does not change the fact this game involved very few decisions from both teams, one had to attack, the other to defend, I've not seen any mind blowing call like liquid can provide every game. It was not great dota, just fight fight fight zzz And WW had 3 wins 1 loss from first pick in this tournament, though liquid vs fnatic was pretty much sealed before the game. | ||
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Edit: Went through all the games this tournament and Weaver is 0-6, so yeah, seems like it may be a bit overrated. | ||
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On December 02 2017 20:52 hunter_x wrote: Well VP is the much better team, but seems like EG is their kryptonite;) It's always fascinating how that happens. | ||
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On December 02 2017 20:58 PoulsenB wrote: EG is a mess, they should disband, bring back ppd! Rtz washed up mannnn, Fear can't draft XD | ||
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Na'Vi is back! + Show Spoiler + in the dumpster | ||
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On December 02 2017 22:31 nothingmuch wrote: Defending base is for pussies. Na'Vi is back! + Show Spoiler + in the dumpster I honestly don't understand this hate. If Na'Vi lose to Newbee, 2nd at the International, they will be 5th-6th at a Major: it means only 4 teams did better. VP had the same result (and losing vs EG, not vs Newbee). Fnatic got a worse result. | ||
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On December 02 2017 22:38 _Elendil wrote: I honestly don't understand this hate. If Na'Vi lose to Newbee, 2nd at the International, they will be 5th-6th at a Major: it means only 4 teams did better. VP had the same result (and losing vs EG, not vs Newbee). Fnatic got a worse result. Nothing to do with hate. It's just ridiculous how they can go from beating VP 3:1 to throwing so hard it makes EE look like a stable player. | ||
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On December 02 2017 22:41 nothingmuch wrote: Nothing to do with hate. It's just ridiculous how they can go from beating VP 3:1 to throwing so hard it makes EE look like a stable player. Navi got outdrafted and were pressing to try to do something to make up for it. Makes for a lot of mistakes. Or they're just having a bad day. | ||
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On December 02 2017 23:26 Achaian wrote: what a baller crystallize is, na'vi is their strongest in years think this game is mainly on general and roga | ||
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navi has some weird shit and it's essentially a 4p1 with dendi sf | ||
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newbee woulda got super shafted if they hadn't gotten the rosh kill | ||
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On December 03 2017 00:31 Wineandbread wrote: jesus what a long rosh engage newbee woulda got super shafted if they hadn't gotten the rosh kill nb and alliance r historically the worse at rosh fights no? | ||
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On December 03 2017 00:09 goody153 wrote: i think newbee got the better draft .. it's much more well rounded and simpler to execute navi has some weird shit and it's essentially a 4p1 with dendi sf i think you underestimate venge and all the disables they have for qop | ||
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not only for the -damage aura, the hero gets like 300+ damage when you teamwipe them and have the talent. if you look what both offlane heroes provide, exactly the same items and very similar roles, except you don't need to land the anchor smash, nor put yourself in danger to do the same things with underlord. what is scary is that if navi heroes can outposition and get a good SF ulti off, NB heroes actually can't fight or do damage. i think maybe monkey king was actually better here. | ||
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On December 03 2017 00:54 nanaoei wrote: underlord aura was V A L U E in 5v5 lol. a little overlooked. not only for the -damage aura, the hero gets like 300+ damage when you teamwipe them and have the talent. if you look what both offlane heroes provide, exactly the same items and very similar roles, except you don't need to land the anchor smash, nor put yourself in danger to do the same things with underlord. what is scary is that if navi heroes can outposition and get a good SF ulti off, NB heroes actually can't fight or do damage. i think maybe monkey king was actually better here. my main reasons i thought navi were gonna win the game and had the better draft was cause of pitlord and his atrophy autra in team fights, once bkbs came up from navi, aside from luna would have not been able to do shit and atrophy aura lessens lunas dmg + with kunkas rum buff? with that and all the disables and auras they have to pick off cores (mainly qop). ive underestimated venge in the past but mineski has shown how viable vs is as a core esp with a teamfight centric lineup like navi had and a hard carry in sf someimes i just watch the draft in mute cause its apparent a lot of these casters dont know jack | ||
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On December 03 2017 00:40 nVme wrote: i think you underestimate venge and all the disables they have for qop nah navi owned but i stand by my statement about the draft .. bkb+linkens/spell block qop owns them anyways | ||
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On December 03 2017 01:06 goody153 wrote: nah navi owned but i stand by my statement about the draft .. bkb+linkens/spell block qop owns them anyways counter bkbs negate qop and then its back to qop getting disabled and rekt lol there were too many disables where linkens wouldnt of mattered im not sure what carry couldve saved nbs draft | ||
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On December 03 2017 01:09 nVme wrote: counter bkbs negate qop and then its back to qop getting disabled and rekt lol there were too many disables where linkens wouldnt of mattered im not sure what carry couldve saved nbs draft if newbee played around well . It would've and the multiple disables wouldn't be a big issue as you would think. There are plenty of games where somebody plays a fragile shit and the enemy team has a lot of catch but they'd still win. Overall newbee has a well rounded draft where they could've exploded midgame. Assuming they put the sf in a tough position midgame cause VS wouldn't really be able to solo carry or i could rambling senselessly | ||
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But seriously, it's awesome to see him at an event again, I watch his stream frequently =) | ||
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On December 03 2017 01:32 nVme wrote: how much does bulldog make from streaming where he doesnt want to play comp again winning with competitive dota gives you much much more than streaming .. it's not that he didn't try before that doesn't mean he won TI before he's still gonna be top tier always | ||
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Toadesstern
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He's usually not the shiny guy on our team but man is he delivering this game. | ||
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Latham
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On December 03 2017 01:58 ShiaoPi wrote: I really can't see anything that was worth bringing bulldog into the cast. Yeah, I watch him on his stream meming and its fun but watching him cast this is underwhleming. I overhyped myself D: | ||
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Should just let fogged cast again and relieve of ODpixel of the struggle to basically solo a cast of the upper bracket finals... | ||
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goody153
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so many clutch shit the entire game | ||
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how do they have no detection after 3 fights of the same thing | ||
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On December 03 2017 03:08 emperorchampion wrote: I literally can't believe what I just saw how do they have no detection after 3 fights of the same thing i think the team believes they already have vision with just track but that was 3 fights without any key tracks | ||
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On December 03 2017 03:14 nVme wrote: LOL secret wrecking liquid without ace 4v5 uhm ace naix is kinda the reason why they're winning hard in the first place | ||
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On December 03 2017 03:16 goody153 wrote: uhm ace naix is kinda the reason why they're winning hard in the first place lol comment was to imply tl had no chance of a comeback | ||
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On December 03 2017 03:23 nanaoei wrote: thank god ace got a lane and played that really well. i wonder how much of that was a practiced strategy vs playing off the cuff cuz if it's the latter, secret is very scary. MidOne Lesh was totally a practiced pick. | ||
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On December 03 2017 03:24 ForTehDarkseid wrote: MidOne Lesh was totally a practiced pick. oh for sure, it was 9th pick for them, but the lifestealer to make it even viable is the stroke of genius. yeah any other game doom is fat, buys a blink, and dooms your lesh. but he can't this game. they open tusk io and play neutral/defensive and don't deal well with getting run at. that is all on lifestealer which no other hero can do. part of it, at least like 30% of it is also liquid's draft. but yeah, the adaptation by secret was clutch shit | ||
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ET and -armor strat to counter morph and run over Liquid early. Secret lanes are decent too. | ||
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On December 03 2017 03:21 ForTehDarkseid wrote: I used to respect Bulldog in a days. Now he is one massive pill of cancer. I made a joke to myself that Bulldog got denied entry to the US at TI because he told customs something along the lines of "Yah, so I'm going to Seattle, whip out my donger, show Kaci, and Volvo's going to pay me a million dollars for it." I now feel that that thought isn't a complete exaggeration. | ||
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YAPZOR | ||
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I don't see liquid's heroes playing well from behind at all. Not catching up either. | ||
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 sad face. to be fair he was 1 mana off and had a clarity in his inventory so that was an option also.if his SF builds drums into SnY i'm gonna lose my shit welp. that's what he's doing LOL better hope they can secure rosh | ||
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one thing about miracle, even if this game is a bad example, he will almost never have buyback before 40m | ||
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it seems to be the exact same bug as disruptor's kinetic field. | ||
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On December 03 2017 04:06 Latham wrote: Wait, can morph morph attributes when he's being dueled or is miracle just quick and so clutch on those morphs right before the duel everytime? Morph can morph if he is not silenced. So even when stunned, dueled or into crono. | ||
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On December 03 2017 04:20 _Elendil wrote: Morph can morph if he is not silenced. So even when stunned, dueled or into crono. Morphling can't morph if he is dueled, since duel silences. He can when Axe called. Just checked in demo mode. So yes, Miracle has really fast fingers^^ Yapzor played an amazing game. Really wished Secret would just drop 2 series and be out of the tournament, but credit where credit is due. | ||
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Biggest surprise for me in this lineup is Fata-, I thought when he was playing with EE's NP/Cloud9 he looked like the weakest link but that must have been a chemistry thing - he looks great on Secret. | ||
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On December 03 2017 04:25 VGhost wrote: Secret looks amazing. Biggest surprise for me in this lineup is Fata-, I thought when he was playing with EE's NP/Cloud9 he looked like the weakest link but that must have been a chemistry thing - he looks great on Secret. Fata was great before TI as far as I recall and at TI the entire team crumbled pretty badly. And ofc he's playing a new role which maybe even suits his strengths as a player better than mid nowadays does | ||
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On other hand, MidOne+Ace are rolling on every hero they get, it's scary. | ||
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i believe QoP was both denial and flex pick and they ended up having to pick MK beside both QoP and morph and to even have a chance in a single lane. obviously they didn't get caught by ogre + rubick, so that entire thing with MK looks retarded and the dominoes for that hero fall rapidly. personally i think morph in duo vs duo or tri vs tri is miserable vs. bane + LC, it is unwinnable/they can't have morph go even and so they didn't even consider that. as morph is the priority to get a workable lane between their three cores, neither queen nor MK can lane vs razor no matter how much help he gets, and if they fail trying (which they did once in the 3v1 bot) morph gets nothing mid. eventually, neither of those heroes can lane vs LC either, and eventually-eventually, even ET or bane can contest them solo. there is no lane pressure. IMO, bane is the hero that throws the wrench in the works b/c it achieves w/e it wants with enfeeble. need to further secure razors lane? easiest thing in the world. secure SF so he takes over and EXP is efficient for the team? start mid. stack when razor is fine and there's nothing. ET is beautiful because they can't punish it in lane either. so, wonderful drafts by secret, i put them a tier up on everyone else so far at dreamhack. | ||
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On December 03 2017 04:09 Chillander wrote: Its a bit baffling as to why they invited Bulldog, even James was more political correct Sadly, current pro Dota is all about marketing hype, not quality. | ||
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i don't see any other option lol, unless they just want to trade farm. | ||
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makes me forget how well they did in the last game of the NB series sighh here we go, navi gonna pick bane+clock or shaman+weaver again, unless they get denied bane (again). can't imagine they'll bank on shaman after a game like that, so undying clock it is. | ||
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ffs, it didn't work until now, you play one of the most important series of the last years and you do it again? | ||
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Maybe they lost confidence in it. | ||
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RTC GYRO <3 | ||
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early dominating lead into completely unnecessary throw | ||
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On December 03 2017 06:31 Pandemona wrote: Evil Geniuses oh yeaaah :D How are we making this comeback! That was navis idea xD | ||
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Amazing comeback!! TOP 3 BABY | ||
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On December 03 2017 06:51 WolfintheSheep wrote: Did Cr1t steal the Sunder there or did Crystallize just suicide for the gg? He did. | ||
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Increased their movement speed take down the LO first, up their HP to at least can withstand 2 tiny's spell. Give Midone hero with Massive damage output and Ace a hero who can hard farm and finish the opponent. Midone is aggressive, he can die with all his spell casted and then Ace will complete their mission. And Secret really need to learn how to deal with team who abuse Forcestaff extensively, typical example is Liquid. Forcestaff team, and Liquid is good in using forcestaff and counter back the fight from disadvantage to advantage. | ||
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On December 03 2017 15:15 goody153 wrote: what other great games should i watch aside from eg-vp game 1? ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/Ac7hWNw.png) (navi vs newbee G3) (TL vs secret winners' finals G2) | ||
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