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Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
Poll: Who Takes Top Spot Group CEvil Geniuses (45) 63% LGD Gaming (14) 20% Team Faceless (7) 10% Complexity Gaming (5) 7% 71 total votes Your vote: Who Takes Top Spot Group C (Vote): Evil Geniuses
(Vote): Complexity Gaming
(Vote): Team Faceless
(Vote): LGD Gaming
Poll: Who Takes Top Spot Group DOG (40) 61% AD Finem (16) 24% EHOME (7) 11% IG Vitality (3) 5% 66 total votes Your vote: Who Takes Top Spot Group D (Vote): OG
(Vote): IG Vitality
(Vote): EHOME
(Vote): AD Finem
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1 vote in the poll for EG, maker of the thread = Panda, hmmm 
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Shouldn't we wait with making this thread until day 2 is upon us to avoid confusion? Also, what's with the exclamation mark in the title (sorry for being pedantic)? :o ...
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This group stage is a joke imo. Just picking ur opponent is a lousy reward for first place in group. The winners should atleast get to skip the first round in the bracket.
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On December 04 2016 20:18 sweatbomb wrote:
This group stage is a joke imo. Just picking ur opponent is a lousy reward for first place in group. The winners should atleast get to skip the first round in the bracket.
this format are not hype at all but yesterday's games were pretty good tbh. the teams are actually trying to win at least
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Looking at the compendium predictions, someone got 1051 GPM? What the fuck?
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Today's groups feel a lot less hype than yesterday's, pretty clear how they are going to shake out IMO:
Group C: EG > LGD > TF > coL
Group D: OG > EHOME > AF > IG.V
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On December 04 2016 22:53 BrownBear wrote:
Today's groups feel a lot less hype than yesterday's, pretty clear how they are going to shake out IMO:
Group C: EG > LGD > TF > coL
Group D: OG > EHOME > AF > IG.V
You are giving faceless and the Chinese teams way too little credit.
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On December 04 2016 23:17 sweatbomb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 22:53 BrownBear wrote:
Today's groups feel a lot less hype than yesterday's, pretty clear how they are going to shake out IMO:
Group C: EG > LGD > TF > coL
Group D: OG > EHOME > AF > IG.V You are giving faceless and the Chinese teams way too little credit.
IG.V is playing with two subs and we saw how well that worked for LFY yesterday, and TF got rekt outside of SEA.
LGD and EHOME could beat EG and OG though, to be fair.
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 04 2016 22:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Looking at the compendium predictions, someone got 1051 GPM? What the fuck?
I mean, Alchemist is a hero.
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now this is quality content
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Do we really need average deaths counted in 1/100th deaths lol
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
hoping for faceless to make it as 2nd seed and ad finem in group D for the upsets
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LGD vs Faceless on main stream instead of EG vs Col,wtf valve?
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Does Col realistically have any chance vs EG? I think this LGD-Faceless match is more exciting
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which game to watch? cannot decide..
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 05 2016 00:08 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Does Col realistically have any chance vs EG? I think this LGD-Faceless match is more exciting
Well, neither team wants to win coL vs EG i believe.
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LGD's PA's Blur should work at reduced strength with so many particle effects equipped
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
faceless getting rekt around the pit :/
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
s4 and Jerax just styled on IG so hard jesus. Poor lc just wants a duel.
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OG looks like a good team.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Sumail is so good wit Alch
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
lgd vs EG should be really good
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On December 05 2016 00:42 Zea! wrote:
Sumail is so good wit Alch
I don't get what LD is on about with EG not being willing to play alch. They absolutely suck at playing against it but they are fine with it.
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Even though they Sunsfan their way here, LGD is still the best chinese team other than Wings
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Netherlands45349 Posts
I love Sylar but what the fuck ist his Luna build
3.2k hp skadi lol
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The Zai + RTZ save in the bottom T1 fight @ 15 minutes was really sweet, if anyone is running highlights.
As for game 1, well, last pick Alchemist. This was pretty much over in the draft.
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On December 05 2016 00:47 Kipsate wrote:
I love Sylar but what the fuck ist his Luna build
3.2k hp skadi lol
maybe he never wants to hear 'sylar to fall' again
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On December 05 2016 00:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 00:47 Kipsate wrote:
I love Sylar but what the fuck ist his Luna build
3.2k hp skadi lol maybe he never wants to hear 'sylar to fall' again
guess dooming a 3.2k hp skadi luna isnt the best
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S4 and Jerax were sick in that game!
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Isn't skadi luna the most standard build lol
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How good is Burning these days?
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Pyrion still spouting the 'black afk farmer' rubbish while the panel nods along.
On December 05 2016 01:02 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How good is Burning these days?
Pretty good again. Not Shadow-tier, but one of the better Chinese carries.
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So weird to see a chinese team run a no-stun lineup
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This is pretty greedy from LGD
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Netherlands45349 Posts
if there is anything I would consider changing next patch it might be the whole suicide thing to get back to base for more mana and hp, not sure how I feel about it.
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On December 05 2016 01:17 Kipsate wrote:
if there is anything I would consider changing next patch it might be the whole suicide thing to get back to base for more mana and hp, not sure how I feel about it.
Read an idea to put TP scroll on a cooldown after suiciding, sounds reasonable. Maybe make exceptions for dying from rot and bloodstone
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Ana seems like quite the downgrade from Miracle-, not sure if OG is capable of winning majors with Ana on their team
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Awful slark play. Just get irontalon and go jungle at lvl 6. Leave the lane solo xp for your support
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On December 05 2016 01:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This is pretty greedy from LGD
doesnt look like it :D pretty dominating so far and interesting build by ame
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'the balls flying just above the Nutz' well played ODpixel
On December 05 2016 01:28 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 01:17 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This is pretty greedy from LGD doesnt look like it :D pretty dominating so far and interesting build by ame
Yeah, Slark and OD are way behind, didn't expect that.
And yeah maxing glaives first is pretty cool
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Is MoM ursa like the new thing now? By new I mean old, but then discarded, and now new again
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Netherlands45349 Posts
This is legit one of the only games that I have watched where an LC is beating the shit out of the enemy team, help from iO I guess and a good lane but I guess thats when you draft it.
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On December 05 2016 01:30 Wineandbread wrote:
Is MoM ursa like the new thing now? By new I mean old, but then discarded, and now new again
MoM into agh was the build for some time. Relies on getting constant Roshans to work.
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Good shit. Black finally getting a iron talon at 15 min mark. I would report this slark if he's playing in my pubs.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
This Luna is Ridic huge already.
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This Slark was toothless this game
He finally has some items now but Luna already got a butterfly
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OG trying to prove a point with this defense?
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Pretty funny how cancel turns out to be the only bright light out of all ex-kaipi players
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Nice game from AF, forcestaff gaming is always fun.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Not sure if EG wins this, Naix falls off hardcore in the lategame with all these defensive items, its all up to sumail and universe then.
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Anyone watched the panel? Everytime I watched it it was pyrion or sheever doing some analysis and I end up shutting it down immediately. Machine seems generic without much personality from the few moments I've seen.
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lol EG
On December 05 2016 01:53 nojok wrote:
Anyone watched the panel? Everytime I watched it it was pyrion or sheever doing some analysis and I end up shutting it down immediately. Machine seems generic without much personality from the few moments I've seen.
I think Machine does a great job hosting he meshes everything together quite well and is a good speaker. But it's clear he's not used to the scene so he can't be making much 'inside' jokes yet.
But with so many games there is not much reason to watch panel for a long time anyway
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EG needs the salt lord back!
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
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What game is this, like closing your eyes would influence your taste lol
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i'm strangely fascinated by this trainwreck of a segment
On December 05 2016 02:08 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
What game is this, like closing your eyes would influence your taste lol
it really really does lol
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On December 05 2016 02:03 nojok wrote:
EG needs the salt lord back!
VP has looked impressive lately because of their Vision Game. It's always the key to high-level play. I imagine that Fear is going to be pointing out EG threw that game on bad vision. Though credit to Cancel & complexity for their team-play. I'd say they got about the best possible outcome from the situation complexity found themselves in.
Crit has a wider hero pool and better technical skill than ppd, but you can see the games where ppd + Fear really approach the mid & late game a lot differently. And it normally works out better, though EG still has an utterly ridiculous amount of individual skill.
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EG likes to play passive greedy opportunist playstyle, but crit drafts like he was still on OG where they were so good at ending the game early with 5 manning.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Maybe Next Time is solo winning the game for Ad Finem. He wasted Ogre's time, is annoying enigma's jungling, killed a dire sentry, wasted enemy dust, sniped courier. All that in the first 3 minutes of the game.
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Jerax on earth spirit is pretttttty good
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I'm not sure if it's the correct topic for LR but,
That last Slacks segment was next-level obnoxious. I mean, I enjoy absurdity like any average joe (maybe a little more actually), but this is just... terrible?
I don't know, I think he was OK when he made it to the panels some years ago, but now it's... no.
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On December 05 2016 02:18 Murlox wrote:
I'm not sure if it's the correct topic for LR but,
That last Slacks segment was next-level obnoxious. I mean, I enjoy absurdity like any average joe (maybe a little more actually), but this is just... terrible?
I don't know, I think he was OK when he made it to the panels some years ago, but now it's... no.
i agree.it was so forced. felt awkward to watch
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agreed. the segments i saw were awful
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
We just need to get over Slacks. I have no idea why the gets so much exposure. I absolutely dread his humour.
But anyway, AdFinem is stomping EHOME in the third game, nice.
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I just think the Venn diagram between people who enjoy Slacks and people who post here is two completely separate circles ^^
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
AF>EHOME Probably the most one sided game of the Major so far. 20k gold lead at 15 minutes, rax down, gg called.
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Why is Notails farm always so bad. He should be miles ahead of jugg with tbe start they had.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Its a brewmaster!
wait wat
im kinda thinking they might test this as the group stage barely matters for anything.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Well done OG! Jerax ES is always a treat.
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lol ig.v with 2 standins is like LFY... a joke
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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On December 05 2016 02:38 Kipsate wrote:
Its a brewmaster!
wait wat
im kinda thinking they might test this as the group stage barely matters for anything.
In the documentary Sumail said he asked for brewmaster at Northern Beat invitational
oh sumail is not playing it lol
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i really dislike LD's casting lately
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On December 05 2016 02:29 sweatbomb wrote:
Why is Notails farm always so bad. He should be miles ahead of jugg with tbe start they had.
Notail plays differently from most pos1 players and puts a big emphasis on enabling his mid player and being involved in getting stuff done with his team.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
So Europe takes top spot in three groups, and there is no EU team in group C. Seems good
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what on earth is this col draft
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wow that went terribly wrong for EG
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zfreek arrows turning the game
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Netherlands45349 Posts
wow cancel and monkeyforever are making the fucking plays
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ROFL the self-destruction
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sh1t captaining ladies and gentlemen
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Two games in a row where col is beating the shit out of EG in teamfights.
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zfreek is a tier1 4 player
probably the best player on CoL lol
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On December 05 2016 02:54 bagels21 wrote:
zfreek is a tier1 4 player
probably the best player on CoL lol
I wonder if he'll ever leave Swindelz
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Sven really needed his dagger before the echo sabre.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
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coL throw. thanks idiots >_<
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That is some amazingly bad decision making.
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On December 05 2016 02:54 bagels21 wrote:
zfreek is a tier1 4 player
probably the best player on CoL lol
Are you sure?
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that was one of the clowniest throw ever by COL, holy shit, so bad
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yeah this game is terrible
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On December 05 2016 02:58 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 02:54 bagels21 wrote:
zfreek is a tier1 4 player
probably the best player on CoL lol Are you sure?
Obv its swindelz who made the call for him to buyback.
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mirana fast aghs dream is pretty dead
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On December 05 2016 02:59 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 02:58 nojok wrote:On December 05 2016 02:54 bagels21 wrote:
zfreek is a tier1 4 player
probably the best player on CoL lol Are you sure? Obv its swindelz who made the call for him to buyback.
The buyback was ok, the positionning in the trees wasn't, it's the second time he gets caught in weird spot and drags his team in some bad fights.
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Still got it maybe not the throw of the day.
Eyy and game is back on.
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both teams tremendously lack a good shot-caller
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Col has too much control spells for the 3 melee cores
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Atleast EG will reform after this major
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zfreek's arrows are crazy good tho
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On December 05 2016 03:02 Zea! wrote:
both teams tremendously lack a good shot-caller
Once a upon time legend had it there use to be a man called PPD. But some people thought he was too mean so they kicked him :D
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On December 05 2016 03:00 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 02:59 Kipsate wrote:On December 05 2016 02:58 nojok wrote:On December 05 2016 02:54 bagels21 wrote:
zfreek is a tier1 4 player
probably the best player on CoL lol Are you sure? Obv its swindelz who made the call for him to buyback. The buyback was ok, the positionning in the trees wasn't, it's the second time he gets caught in weird spot and drags his team in some bad fights.
yeah that was bad, but he has the biggest pool on col and he almost always determines if col wins or loses
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Poll: which team will rtz join next?NP (7) 35% Back to Secret (6) 30% Begs PPD's return (6) 30% Complexity (1) 5% 20 total votes Your vote: which team will rtz join next? (Vote): Back to Secret
(Vote): NP
(Vote): Complexity
(Vote): Begs PPD's return
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This is one of those games where you run around as Sven but can't hit anyone
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Swindle is actually doing shit tons of work with his overgrowth lol
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On December 05 2016 03:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This is one of those games where you run around as Sven but can't hit anyone
i feel like artour is cursed to get these types of games lol
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The biggest shame is that Zfreek is a really good player forever chained to mediocrity because of his brother
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On December 05 2016 03:13 Kuroeeah wrote:
The biggest shame is that Zfreek is a really good player forever chained to mediocrity because of his brother
Swindle could always lose an arm or something
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Russian Federation3329 Posts
lol what is going on. happy that arteezy is losing though.
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coL with Zfreek-Moo-Cancel is actually one of the better incarnations of coL I've seen.
Jury's still out on monkeys and swindlezz is lul, but this team might be better than everyone has thought so far.
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honey pot lan honey pot groupstage
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On December 05 2016 03:13 Kuroeeah wrote:
The biggest shame is that Zfreek is a really good player forever chained to mediocrity because of his brother
if they could get 1-2 more zfreek level players, they'd be a really good team (think of CoL at TI5 with moon/fly). It's not unthinkable
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It appears that swindlez is a decent captain. At least better than Cr1t. :D
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what a shit fight by col and they still win
wp eg
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well
that was almost good for eg
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Great Panda plays in that last fight. Too bad it was the only time in the game Universe actually did something lmao
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On December 05 2016 02:49 Orome wrote:
what on earth is this col draft
Working.
Holy shit people thought EG can win this. The current state of EG is the worst since PPD.
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EG looking strong!
Almost able to go toe to toe with the mighty coL
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On December 05 2016 03:16 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
what a shit fight by col and they still win
wp eg
tbf I think EG seemed like they underrated the OD aegis
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
On December 05 2016 03:16 Slomo wrote:Working. Holy shit people thought EG can win this. The current state of EG is the worst since PPD.
That's not saying much considering EG before PPD.
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On December 05 2016 03:16 Slomo wrote:Working. Holy shit people thought EG can win this. The current state of EG is the worst since PPD.
This lineup actually won something and didn't bomb out of every tournament, so it's still better than the aui/sumail/bulba/fear/ppd roster
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You don't need much skill as a pos5 player in a team that always favour 5 man lineup anyway.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
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LD power ranking in shambles
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Well this is not the result I expected from EG-Col :o
maybe EG should kick someone mid series as well
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On December 05 2016 03:17 babysimba wrote:
You don't need much skill as a pos5 player in a team that always favour 5 man lineup anyway.
it pretty much fits swinde's strengths (shotcalling) and removes the his weaknesses (mechanical skill lul)
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Col giving a good lesson on when to go all in with buybacks.
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With this format you never know if a team is playing bad or saving strats though
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On December 05 2016 03:14 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 03:13 Kuroeeah wrote:
The biggest shame is that Zfreek is a really good player forever chained to mediocrity because of his brother if they could get 1-2 more zfreek level players, they'd be a really good team (think of CoL at TI5 with moon/fly). It's not unthinkable
1-2 more zfreek level players like, for example, Moo/canceL? :>
Yeah, I underestimated the hell out of coL when I put them as last in this group. They actually look really solid now with Moo as carry.
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OG vs AF on, no time to relax :p
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On December 05 2016 03:20 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 03:14 bagels21 wrote:On December 05 2016 03:13 Kuroeeah wrote:
The biggest shame is that Zfreek is a really good player forever chained to mediocrity because of his brother if they could get 1-2 more zfreek level players, they'd be a really good team (think of CoL at TI5 with moon/fly). It's not unthinkable 1-2 more zfreek level players like, for example, Moo/canceL? :> Yeah, I underestimated the hell out of coL when I put them as last in this group. They actually look really solid now with Moo as carry.
-Swindlez
+PPD
profit
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On December 05 2016 03:20 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
With this format you never know if a team is playing bad or saving strats though
its not like your matches get easier thou. i dont think any team wants to face vp in the first round :D
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2 minute buyback
what is going on
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Is it just me, or does OG's Drow feel kind of forced into this lineup?
I guess it synergizes with DK when he's in dragon form but meh.
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On December 05 2016 03:20 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 03:14 bagels21 wrote:On December 05 2016 03:13 Kuroeeah wrote:
The biggest shame is that Zfreek is a really good player forever chained to mediocrity because of his brother if they could get 1-2 more zfreek level players, they'd be a really good team (think of CoL at TI5 with moon/fly). It's not unthinkable 1-2 more zfreek level players like, for example, Moo/canceL? :> Yeah, I underestimated the hell out of coL when I put them as last in this group. They actually look really solid now with Moo as carry.
kek good point. (people forget how much hype canceL was getting; also Moo's original position was carry lol)
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On December 05 2016 03:23 BrownBear wrote:
Is it just me, or does OG's Drow feel kind of forced into this lineup?
I guess it synergizes with DK when he's in dragon form but meh.
Sick storm panda right clicks when S4 splits.
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On December 05 2016 03:23 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 03:20 BrownBear wrote:On December 05 2016 03:14 bagels21 wrote:On December 05 2016 03:13 Kuroeeah wrote:
The biggest shame is that Zfreek is a really good player forever chained to mediocrity because of his brother if they could get 1-2 more zfreek level players, they'd be a really good team (think of CoL at TI5 with moon/fly). It's not unthinkable 1-2 more zfreek level players like, for example, Moo/canceL? :> Yeah, I underestimated the hell out of coL when I put them as last in this group. They actually look really solid now with Moo as carry. kek good point. (people forget how much hype canceL was getting; also Moo's original position was carry lol)
It was partially due to the initial coL lineup with jk carry and Moo offlane looking pretty awful.
Kick carry mid-series, ??? profit lul.
Also holy shit ana.
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Good job manfighting a dragon knight rofl
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Over 9k! Oh wait, it's not miracle anymore.
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S4 and Jerax always have some interesting skill synergy rofl
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On December 05 2016 03:19 Zea! wrote:
was MDL a fluke?
No. High Level Drafting takes time & experience. Cr1t has been a tad hit or miss. It's easy to forget that ppd was the best drafter in the scene.
Though I'd give this series more to Cancel's OD. He lived on a fraction of health so many times. Complexity also probably turned in the best series I've ever seen from them.
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On December 05 2016 03:25 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 03:23 bagels21 wrote:On December 05 2016 03:20 BrownBear wrote:On December 05 2016 03:14 bagels21 wrote:On December 05 2016 03:13 Kuroeeah wrote:
The biggest shame is that Zfreek is a really good player forever chained to mediocrity because of his brother if they could get 1-2 more zfreek level players, they'd be a really good team (think of CoL at TI5 with moon/fly). It's not unthinkable 1-2 more zfreek level players like, for example, Moo/canceL? :> Yeah, I underestimated the hell out of coL when I put them as last in this group. They actually look really solid now with Moo as carry. kek good point. (people forget how much hype canceL was getting; also Moo's original position was carry lol) It was partially due to the initial coL lineup with jk carry and Moo offlane looking pretty awful. Kick carry mid-series, ??? profit lul. Also holy shit ana.
They just needed more hype in their players.
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man this OG AF game is delivering
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can somebody tell Thug that he can't manfight a dk
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This clock skill build gives me cancer though.
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Seems like AF keep trying for the DK, is that the right play?
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I thought AF would figure out after 4 times that jumping DK is a bad idea but they didn't
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The worst thing about EG dropping the ball is no LGD-EG now
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AM is actually such a garbage hero, especially in the current meta where 5 man is so prevalent
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so much fights in this game, cool
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United States15275 Posts
Complexity's draft has some interesting synergy.
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Maybenexttime is everywhere on the map. So much impact
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i love maybenextime, what a player
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victoria is such a good rubick player. really nice moves so far!
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On December 05 2016 03:54 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The worst thing about EG dropping the ball is no LGD-EG now
Yeah, same thing with DC-Wings yesterday.
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spartan and maybe won AF this game hard
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Thug with 32 bloodstone charges XD, is it a record?
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Strange draft from Col gets absolutely rekt
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I'm glad rubick's seeing more play recently :D
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That feeling when Miracle and Dendi are in pubs while this major is underway
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On December 05 2016 04:40 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Strange draft from Col gets absolutely rekt
Col has lost the laning stage in all 4 matches so far, is currently 2-2. Keeping Cancel off OD might just be the key.
OD is also sitting at a 60% win-rate so far at the Major. Clearly he's a strong hero right now.
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how old is swindle? just visit a dermatologist dude holy shit.
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Double hook strat hype
vs a mid rubick. Maybe he will end up throwing the best hooks
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MID RUBICK IM HYPE AS FUCK
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here we go some funny stuff in LDG vs Col
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How does LGD kill OD when he has BKB?
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On December 05 2016 05:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How does LGD kill OD when he has BKB?
You have a Mid Rubick. I don't think that's the first question to ask.
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Though EG pulled something like this out at "Starladder @ Summit" LAN pre-TI6. Mid Oracle & AA. Though I don't think Luna is quite strong enough to make this work.
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On December 05 2016 05:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 05:03 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
How does LGD kill OD when he has BKB? You have a Mid Rubick. I don't think that's the first question to ask.
Don't diss the grand magus like that man
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Rubick mid what the actual fuck
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Rubick has more networth than OD so far :D
Well not anymore
OD already out of control now lol
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Complexity's efficiency in the laning stage is just bad. Shooting yourself in the foot at the beginning of each game isn't helping them much.
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Rubick is getting a dagon now
oh nvm he sold his talisman looks like aghs
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Netherlands45349 Posts
what thef uck is that hookshot?
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Mid Rubick isn't exactly tearing the meta playbook open, but it definitely counts as a "NA Dota is trash so why not" play.
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thank god lgd got the spot :D
nice showing so far
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Well that escalated quickly
Swindle is tilted
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On December 05 2016 05:35 RubickPicker wrote:
Mid Rubick isn't exactly tearing the meta playbook open, but it definitely counts as a "NA Dota is trash so why not" play.
Well-timed name, haha.
But, yeah, Complexity had their one good series against EG, but they've regressed to the mean. Zfreek & Moo are their only tier 1 players, and it really showed again. Though they truly shouldn't have been down so much in that laning stage.
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Dammit none of the teams I'm rooting for are winning today.
Oh well. Such is Dota Such is Life.
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slacks has a 2gd-level lack of sense of when he should tone it down
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Someone please tell slacks that literally no chinese person finds his antics endearing and he permanently seems like he is mocking them.
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On December 05 2016 05:46 uriel- wrote:
Someone please tell slacks that literally no chinese person finds his antics endearing and he permanently seems like he is mocking them.
The cringe on the translators face is painful
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so LGD top of the group C, IGV in the bottom of group D
LGD will pull IGV again to get eliminated.
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xz just called him something like a clown so it's OK
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I hope sooo much that this is the last straw and Slacks finally stops getting hired for Dota events. I'm not optimistic, but I hope!
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On December 05 2016 05:46 uriel- wrote:
Someone please tell slacks that literally no chinese person finds his antics endearing and he permanently seems like he is mocking them.
I don't think anyone on LD likes him, but some people at Valve seem to like him I guess.
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I think he is fine. He just needs to understand when he should tone it down a bit. Especially around the Chinese since they probably have no idea about his shtick.
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On December 05 2016 05:46 uriel- wrote:
Someone please tell slacks that literally no chinese person finds his antics endearing and he permanently seems like he is mocking them.
actually there is no hate on slacks in Sgamer so far, which is quite an achievement.
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On December 05 2016 05:50 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 05:46 uriel- wrote:
Someone please tell slacks that literally no chinese person finds his antics endearing and he permanently seems like he is mocking them. actually there is no hate on slacks in Sgamer so far, which is quite an achievement.
Is he even on the chinese streams? Aside from maybe the post-game interviews
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Well Febby likes Slacks at least it seems haha
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On December 05 2016 05:50 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 05:46 uriel- wrote:
Someone please tell slacks that literally no chinese person finds his antics endearing and he permanently seems like he is mocking them. actually there is no hate on slacks in Sgamer so far, which is quite an achievement.
I'll keep an eye for when he does chinese players interviews during chinese prime time instead of 5am and it gets streamed to them. I don't think many of them are on twitch.
I haven't seen him do one single such interview where the player didn't look at least mildly annoyed within five seconds
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On December 05 2016 05:48 CxWiLL wrote:
so LGD top of the group C, IGV in the bottom of group D
LGD will pull IGV again to get eliminated.
IGV has standins, doubt it.
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On December 05 2016 05:57 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 05:48 CxWiLL wrote:
so LGD top of the group C, IGV in the bottom of group D
LGD will pull IGV again to get eliminated.
IGV has standins, doubt it.
it's not about how good they are, it's just the circle of life.
Lgd has always been better than igv.
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On December 05 2016 06:01 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 05:57 Kipsate wrote:On December 05 2016 05:48 CxWiLL wrote:
so LGD top of the group C, IGV in the bottom of group D
LGD will pull IGV again to get eliminated.
IGV has standins, doubt it. it's not about how good they are, it's just the circle of life. Lgd has always been better than igv.
indeed. for some weird reason they just cant play well vs ig.v :/
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why would ldg pick igv of all people to begin with.
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Hoping Faceless shocks everyone.
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On December 05 2016 06:05 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
why would ldg pick igv of all people to begin with.
it wouldnt be that suprising. they wont pick lgd.fy so they are left with mvp and the loser of ehome-ig.v
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S4 getting back to TI3 form dat nyx play , also Jerax is amazing!
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If all those games wouldn't basically be useless, it would be so much better.
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On December 05 2016 06:07 RubickPicker wrote:
Hoping Faceless shocks everyone.
Same. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if EG's loss to Col tilted them off the face of the earth.
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On December 05 2016 06:07 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 06:05 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
why would ldg pick igv of all people to begin with. it wouldnt be that suprising. they wont pick lgd.fy so they are left with mvp and the loser of ehome-ig.v
Can't they pick 3rd place finishers?
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Lanm just fucking picked bristle into slark+silencer
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We have HD Cameras! Let's zoom in way too far on player's faces!
/need new camera guy approach.
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lmao they show the wrong pictures
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On December 05 2016 06:13 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Lanm just fucking picked bristle into slark+silencer
wtf is this ehome lineup
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On December 05 2016 06:23 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 06:13 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Lanm just fucking picked bristle into slark+silencer wtf is this ehome lineup
Lanm drafts worse than old chicken lmao
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On December 05 2016 06:19 Taf the Ghost wrote:
We have HD Cameras! Let's zoom in way too far on player's faces!
/need new camera guy approach.
They need to get rid of the frosted glass thematic. It looks like Apple since OSX Mavericks and iOS 7, which might have been what they were going for but it's ugly for a live event chyron.
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Black with the predictive vanguard so sick
Sumail lvl 11 before 10 minutes though wow
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Sumail's at like 700 gpm at 17 minutes.
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That EHOME draft sure didn't hold up long.
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rofl sumail 2 shot on undying and 3 (4?) on am
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Wow Faceless are actually terrible. Expected them to be a little better than this.
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Can we just give all the SEA spots to EU and CN
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On December 05 2016 06:49 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Can we just give all the SEA spots to EU and CN
Well, the best SEA team couldn't get their Visas, so there's a bit of a old NA-effect if EG wasn't at an event.
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On December 05 2016 06:50 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 06:49 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Can we just give all the SEA spots to EU and CN Well, the best SEA team couldn't get their Visas, so there's a bit of a old NA-effect if EG wasn't at an event.
Yeah man a team that goes 0-3 vs Secret was really going to do well.
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Sumail tryna single handidly make me feel better about today.
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On December 05 2016 06:52 dragonswarrior wrote:
Sumail tryna single handidly make me feel better about today.
I think EG is a little pissed at themselves for making their day longer than it needed to be.
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Maybe Fear smacked them all for losing to Col and their faces still hurt a little
Lets hope Black doesn't lose with ánd against AM lol
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this suiciding thing is getting out of hand
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am i the only one who thinks Crit-EG has generally worked better when Arteezy is playing the real 1 (and preferably a self-sustainable carry hero) rather than the Notail-style stuff
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Dota casters should really look up what minmax actually means.
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Black^ not having his best game lol
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On December 05 2016 07:26 Orome wrote:
Dota casters should really look up what minmax actually means.
LD hasn't been a good caster in a while
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I love Ice and xy, but yeah, this team has issues. Just how much Jabz has been blown up today makes it clear.
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no one on this team particularly stands out as playing well tbh
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1000 dmg bloodstone suicide
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Jabz and Black have issues. Jabz should have room to grow due to his inexperience, but I'm not convinced Black is a good player
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FL looks really weak as a team
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what a surprise when i come back to competitive dota and i see Drow/WL/Luna/OD became the meta lol
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Black was once a promising young talent. Now he's the worst carry in the pro scene. Sad...
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Black reminding everyone that he is a good farmer but a bad carry player.
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On December 05 2016 07:48 BurningSera wrote:
what a surprise when i come back to competitive dota and i see Drow/WL/Luna/OD became the meta lol
Yeah i feel the same..
I have been playing HotS for a while.. I was a little hyped for Boston Major (Aui is back in business) And yet yesterday I even saw our beloved "HOHOHAHA". Oh btw Drow-Mirana is still here...
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On December 05 2016 07:48 BurningSera wrote:
what a surprise when i come back to competitive dota and i see Drow/WL/Luna/OD became the meta lol
theres no meta really.everything is picked nowadays,even pudge is normal now
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Honestly, how does anyone enjoy these parts of the broadcast where it's just slacks being stupid?
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Purge is 100% having the most fun in this bit
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OK, Machine tries to get item knowledge from Slacks by telepathy. That's not going to work, and I'm not talking about the telepathy ;-)
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love injuly get the kill on Qop and instant gg out.
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And ig.V got stomped by EHOME in a 20 min game 3 in the other group.
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On December 05 2016 08:34 VGhost wrote:
And ig.V got stomped by EHOME in a 20 min game 3 in the other group.
I don't understand why people don't just ban alch against ehome
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I am so bored with the ogre roam meta
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I just realized EG lost to col so they can get their lower bracket momentum before the mainevent.
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That escape from Cancel mirana there, so close
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Purge's analysis is making me cringe.
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how is Moo so bad at farming
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How the heck did EG lose the first series vs CoL? They are playing so badly and clearly have problems doing something as basic as last hitting creeps
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On December 05 2016 09:30 pellejohnson wrote:
How the heck did EG lose the first series vs CoL? They are playing so badly and clearly have problems doing something as basic as last hitting creeps
coL had way better teamfight in the first series
in this game EG has a naga so they're just avoiding fights unless it's on their terms
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the game is over. it will just take a long time or coL gives up early.
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On December 05 2016 09:30 pellejohnson wrote:
How the heck did EG lose the first series vs CoL? They are playing so badly and clearly have problems doing something as basic as last hitting creeps
Col played decent enough actually, in one game RTZ had a fat sven but Col kited him into defeat with OD and weaver
and good teamfights like that what just happened the earlier games had a double EG wipe as well
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yeah teamfights like that one
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Ahaha. What is this matchup. EG and CoL seem to be inversely proportional in their teamfight and laning skills
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CoL is so scrappy at teamfighting
I love it
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On December 05 2016 09:34 Nevuk wrote:
Ahaha. What is this matchup. EG and CoL seem to be inversely proportional in their teamfight and laning skills
team synergy vs. individual skills lol
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This naga networth is getting out of hand now. Wonder if Col can pull another wonder fight
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some of these EG team fights, i don't even know what they're thinking. hey let's gank the void without detection with 2 heros against all 5...
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On December 05 2016 09:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
This naga networth is getting out of hand now. Wonder if Col can pull another wonder fight
Well they just took a good fight. But Arteezy was threatening the tier 3 still.
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On December 05 2016 09:24 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Purge's analysis is making me cringe.
I don't understand why he keeps being used as a serious analytical caster. I'm been fortunate that he's never been given high profile games to cast in the past by Valve but now everyone has to listen to his 4k mmr theory crafting.
Like he's trying to make eblade sound super good because in addition to double starfall, they got ion shell and radiance burn! You have to go to be fucking kidding me ...
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I want my kotl blasts to go over half the map :|
purge has been bad for a very long time. he says so much bullshit. almost on a lumi level but at least with better english
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Yeah Purge says some weird stuff for sure
Tobi is still the best caster ever for excitement though
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rtz manta dodging everything nowadays
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that spot on the map lmfao
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the NA derby is pretty damn amusing to watch
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legendary arrows. singsing would be proud >_<
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naga bs aside, eg looks like shit
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this game made me remember why mirana got nerfed
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everybodys had a random tree or cliff blink guys everybody does it
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On December 05 2016 09:56 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
everybodys had a random tree or cliff blink guys everybody does it
iirc its not the first time, wasnt it at the summit or some shit where sumail as SF blinked and got stuck lol.
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Is spiritbreaker an underrated hero?
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On December 05 2016 09:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Is spiritbreaker an underrated hero?
i remember when there was a period where cis teams would randomly upset eg and secret with it so they had to ban it
old ig liked to pull it out too iirc
greedy teams that like to tricore seem to struggle against it
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On December 05 2016 09:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Is spiritbreaker an underrated hero?
tbh it looks like there are just a lot of playable heroes.
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On December 05 2016 09:56 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
everybodys had a random tree or cliff blink guys everybody does it
ya zfreek on mirana in the earlier series vs eg was also jumping in the trees a lot, but was still hitting arrows left and right
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did something change about SB at the latest patches because I think its faith bian from wings who destroyed multiple teams with it.
I dont think he is that underrated.
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On December 05 2016 09:59 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 09:57 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Is spiritbreaker an underrated hero? tbh it looks like there are just a lot of playable heroes.
And yet we have to watch Naga Siren..
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i mean in the end sb is still losing this game and the hero pick is probably part of the problem with his scaling problems
to beat naga i think u need to have like 3-4 lategame heroes if u cant steamroll her before 40-50 minutes
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lmao this game
how is col competitive with eg
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too bad the game was over with the 15min radiance. everything happening doesn't matter and only prolongs the game. 
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fucking love naga LMFAO
STAY SALTY
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honestly if Moo knew how to farm or build good items coL could win this
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Death by a thousand Naga illusions.
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On December 05 2016 10:03 Nyan wrote:too bad the game was over with the 15min radiance. everything happening doesn't matter and only prolongs the game.
basically this. every major tournament ruined by this dogshit hero. how is it still in the game.
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gonna play some naga tonight
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Maybe monkey king will bring a naga rework
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yea naga is probably getting reworked lets be real
im calling it you can quote me here
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gonna play only naga till this patch is over probs
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Think mirana shouldn't have gone full caster. Sumail mirana would have transitioned into dps because col are severely lacking in it.
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On December 05 2016 09:56 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Sloppy high level plays.
haha yeah story of the game
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On December 05 2016 10:07 DucK- wrote:
Think mirana shouldn't have gone full caster. Sumail mirana would have transitioned into dps because col are severely lacking in it.
they were lacking in damage because their safelaner spent tons of time running around not farming and got a 30 minute radiance
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that was some really good naga play
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now everyone feels terrible
what a hero
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Sing the song of my people xD
Honestly though Tobi in these super long fights is the best thing in esports
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i hope instead of reworking naga they convert half of the other heroes to illusion heroes
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naga truly is the swarhost of dota tbh,except more entertaining
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On December 05 2016 10:08 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Sing the song of my people xD
Honestly though Tobi in these super long fights is the best thing in esports
yea for all his faults (read: anytime he tries to analyze anything) the hype is impressive
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On December 05 2016 10:08 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
now everyone feels terrible
what a hero
I feel great.
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On December 05 2016 10:10 Lachrymose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 10:08 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
now everyone feels terrible
what a hero I feel great.
i was referring to all 10 players involved
did you see their faces
nobody is happy with that game
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Well, what else are we supposed to play? Boring 100% right click heroes like Drow or Phantom Assassin?
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On December 05 2016 10:04 TomatoBisque wrote:
honestly if Moo knew how to farm or build good items coL could win this
34 minute Vanguard/Radiance isn't a good timing? Please tell me more. 
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On December 05 2016 10:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 10:04 TomatoBisque wrote:
honestly if Moo knew how to farm or build good items coL could win this 34 minute Vanguard/Radiance isn't a good timing? Please tell me more.
moo is the shiki of TI6 is all I'm saying
jk no one is as bad as Shiki
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shiki lina was amazing
who needs to practice leshrac lol hero's always banned
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Any must-see games today? I've been a bit busy.
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On December 05 2016 10:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i hope instead of reworking naga they convert half of the other heroes to illusion heroes
sb illusions with 17% bash chance each *orgasmic twitch emote*
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Complexity had a pretty hefty XP lead from Min 30 on, with a lot of gold on Naga but not a lot of damage after that. That's the result of the way EG constructed their draft.
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On December 05 2016 10:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Any must-see games today? I've been a bit busy.
All the EG vs. coL games have been pretty crazy
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Even if EG won, not really impressed with their plays past the laning stage. They need to really step it up if they want to battle with the likes of VP.
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On December 05 2016 10:17 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 10:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Any must-see games today? I've been a bit busy. All the EG vs. coL games have been pretty crazy
Fun-crazy or "what is happening" crazy?
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On December 05 2016 10:18 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 10:17 TomatoBisque wrote:On December 05 2016 10:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Any must-see games today? I've been a bit busy. All the EG vs. coL games have been pretty crazy Fun-crazy or "what is happening" crazy?
I would say former, with a bit of the latter if you are an EG fan
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On December 05 2016 10:18 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 10:17 TomatoBisque wrote:On December 05 2016 10:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Any must-see games today? I've been a bit busy. All the EG vs. coL games have been pretty crazy Fun-crazy or "what is happening" crazy?
What's the difference? 
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Well I find one to be fun to watch and the other painful.
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On December 05 2016 10:20 IntoTheheart wrote:
Well I find one to be fun to watch and the other painful.
it was a naga game
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On December 05 2016 10:18 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 10:17 TomatoBisque wrote:On December 05 2016 10:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
Any must-see games today? I've been a bit busy. All the EG vs. coL games have been pretty crazy Fun-crazy or "what is happening" crazy?
coL is relying a lot on forcing teamfight and really any fights. So it's screwing up the "normal" game progression and gets a bit wacky, but I'm enjoying it.
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On December 05 2016 10:21 Papercappu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 10:20 IntoTheheart wrote:
Well I find one to be fun to watch and the other painful. it was a naga game
Na'Vi vs. Alliance type of Naga game or the death by thousand cuts Naga game?
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Well I guess there are people out there that think Fails of the Week and similar videos are submitted by and entertain only degenerates.
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Hey I love those videos, but that's more for a highlight reel than a 40-minute game.
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On December 05 2016 10:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i hope instead of reworking naga they convert half of the other heroes to illusion heroes
What this game needs is not more illusions. If they made it that illusions never last more than 15 seconds it would be fine. The biggest problem with illusions is that they allow you to not only farm the entire map and push all lanes simultaneously with just one hero but most importantly siege and poke at enemy base with absolutely no risk to yourself or your team (which obviously goes against the spirit of the game).
Another fix could be disabling gem and radiance burn on illusions.
Seriously, I can't watch games with either naga or alch illusion spam...
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How do you feel about throwing in an SD to the mix?
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On December 05 2016 10:06 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea naga is probably getting reworked lets be real
im calling it you can quote me here
I feel like she's probably fine with either the illusion bs or the song bs, but both together makes for some ultra lame viewing
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On December 05 2016 10:23 IntoTheheart wrote:
Hey I love those videos, but that's more for a highlight reel than a 40-minute game.
Well okay then. But Newbee vs Unknown at Frankfurt last year was still my favorite game of that tournament despite it being a complete mess from both sides. I'll watch that again.
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AdFinem are just fucking at EHOME, I love it. :D
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On December 05 2016 10:23 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 10:09 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i hope instead of reworking naga they convert half of the other heroes to illusion heroes What this game needs is not more illusions. If they made it that illusions never last more than 15 seconds it would be fine. The biggest problem with illusions is that they allow you to not only farm the entire map and push all lanes simultaneously with just one hero but most importantly siege and poke at enemy base with absolutely no risk to yourself or your team (which obviously goes against the spirit of the game). Another fix could be disabling gem and radiance burn on illusions. Seriously, I can't watch games with either naga or alch illusion spam...
to be clear i wasn't serious
only in my dark dreams
valve should recognize people dont like illusions in general
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If valve just keep adding more illusions... everyone will need to play with control groups. Some illusions will be dedicated to farming. We will call those workers. Fights will be between groups of 50+ illusions. And thus moba will convert back into RTS again
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Anyone else remember Lone Druid? I miss that hero.
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I think I like coL's draft better.
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lmao the omnislash bounces
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Man how can you stomach playing no boots jakiro lol
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when did eg pick up synderin
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On December 05 2016 10:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
z-freek carrying hard
Really hard.
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purge with spot on analysis all game
called col as ahead even when they werent ahead in networth what a god
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lmfao ogre's gonna take em all on
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30 min Aghs Rubick, hope to see that Omnislash used.
coL ayy
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On December 05 2016 03:13 Kuroeeah wrote:
The biggest shame is that Zfreek is a really good player forever chained to mediocrity because of his brother
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freaking zfreek
how on earth did they do that
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Zfreek gettin freaky with it.
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he is a fucking god.
holy shit.
coL has a new fan.
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Well, didnt know Zfreek was this good. He is just playing on another level this game.
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icepath is so OP on rubick
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Holy shit that Null Field did work at the last fight
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how did zfreek not die again lol
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On December 05 2016 11:10 BigO wrote:
Well, didnt know Zfreek was this good. He is just playing on another level this game.
Zfreek has consistently been the best player on coL for a long time now. I don't remember which commentator/analyst was it, but some time ago he mentioned that Zfreek just might be the best support player in the world at the moment.
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watching these skirmishes makes my brain hurt. eg needs to ban mirana, riki, bh, etc.
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Zfreek has always been the better Freedman brother, just always in the shadows cuz he is not outspoken
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I don't think I would've believed you if you told me EG vs coL would be the most entertaining games of the group stages.
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Zfreek could only play agressive and dominate like he did because of his gold and levels from the early kills. I kinda wish teams would consider some old-style mid Rubicks, maybe only when some really good spell steals in play (jakiro and sk is godly in that sense)
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On December 05 2016 11:18 Sbrubbles wrote:
Zfreek could only play agressive and dominate like he did because of his gold and levels from the early kills. I kinda wish teams would consider some old-style mid Rubicks, maybe only when some really good spell steals in play (jakiro and sk is godly in that sense)
Maybe played mid Rubick vs. coL earlier today
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Cmon EG, if you lose to swindlememez I have to disown you guys again
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On December 05 2016 11:18 Sbrubbles wrote:
Zfreek could only play agressive and dominate like he did because of his gold and levels from the early kills. I kinda wish teams would consider some old-style mid Rubicks, maybe only when some really good spell steals in play (jakiro and sk is godly in that sense)
Maybe played mid rubick today for LGD
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On December 05 2016 11:18 TomatoBisque wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 11:18 Sbrubbles wrote:
Zfreek could only play agressive and dominate like he did because of his gold and levels from the early kills. I kinda wish teams would consider some old-style mid Rubicks, maybe only when some really good spell steals in play (jakiro and sk is godly in that sense) Maybe played mid Rubick vs. coL earlier today
Oooh, I missed it
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On December 05 2016 11:15 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 11:10 BigO wrote:
Well, didnt know Zfreek was this good. He is just playing on another level this game. Zfreek has consistently been the best player on coL for a long time now. I don't remember which commentator/analyst was it, but some time ago he mentioned that Zfreek just might be the best support player in the world at the moment.
yeah I've made this comment earlier, but he's definitely a tier1 4 position player. He's probably a top 5 NA player right now. With Moo in his natural position and a good mid in Cancel, they're actually not a bad team (CoL)
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On December 05 2016 11:28 rebdomine wrote:
oh wow leshrac
Col have been picking this hero for a couple weeks even though pretty much nobody else does it. Just like EG and their veno fetish.
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For some irrational reason I want EG to pick Chaos Knight.
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On December 05 2016 11:30 blobrus wrote:Col have been picking this hero for a couple weeks even though pretty much nobody else does it. Just like EG and their veno fetish.
EG (and now NP b/c of scrims) have a really cheesey veno push strat that they run with their 4 position (they used to run artour on veno too, but seem to have stopped doing that)
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On December 05 2016 11:20 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 11:15 Manit0u wrote:On December 05 2016 11:10 BigO wrote:
Well, didnt know Zfreek was this good. He is just playing on another level this game. Zfreek has consistently been the best player on coL for a long time now. I don't remember which commentator/analyst was it, but some time ago he mentioned that Zfreek just might be the best support player in the world at the moment. yeah I've made this comment earlier, but he's definitely a tier1 4 position player. He's probably a top 5 NA player right now. With Moo in his natural position and a good mid in Cancel, they're actually not a bad team (CoL)
yeah. I mean it's easy to overlook Complexity because they get their asses handed to them when they've been losing series to NP but Zfreek is always the player that gives Complexity a lead, only for the team to throw it away because of some horrible shotcalling or players just being out of position.
I have zero faith in Complexity as a team but I personally see it as a tragedy that a player as good as Z-Freek will always be bound to the second-rate PPD brother of his but with worse mechanics.
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That's probably Zfreek's Mirana. It's good and it let's them put Cancel on something else.
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sven dusa.. not something you see every day, but it might work
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It should be noted that was complexity's 7th game of the day and it took Zfreek having the best Rubick game of the year to come out even in the laning stage.
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Kotl is legit as fuck for EG here.
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EG and coL have played the same number of games today
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Complexity last pick warlock?
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This kbbq dude pronounces abbadon the same way i do. Finally someone else lol.
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cancel got both of those kills
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jesus christ EG what are you doing
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did coL lose lanes for 7 games in a row to trick EG into thinking they couldn't lane
was this the long con
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Sven is too manly to suicide
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Purifying flames is actually pretty bad versus abaddon. He can shield after he gets nuked and it gives him time for the HoT to last full duration
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This Weaver is poorer than dirt.
Oh right, it's a support. -__-
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sumail leading cancel after cancel had a free 500 networth start, swindlezz going for double stacks and getting no stacks, successful level 5 batriders ganks... this is NA dota for sure
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On December 05 2016 11:42 TomatoBisque wrote:
did coL lose lanes for 7 games in a row to trick EG into thinking they couldn't lane
was this the long con
I mean, it's easy to win laning when you start out with 2 free kills before 0:00
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yo purge that also build into lotus. i think thats a lotus abba
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On December 05 2016 11:57 Nyan wrote:
yo purge that also build into lotus. i think thats a lotus abba
it's obviously a bloodstone cmon guys
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unless EG win a fight soon, they'll have to defend highground before 30 minutes
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i do think Cr1t got outdrafted again by swindle lol
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ding ding ding! would have preferred a scepter though
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Moo is going radiance
that's interesting
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I feel like Tobi's analysis has been of a higher level than Purge's all day
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that just might be game there lol
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question: who do you guys think has the better lategame? Dusa/Sven is pretty tempting but every hero excepting nyx can go carry on coL, so I'm split
ugh... not gonna get there if EG keep taking fights like this
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Remember when EG was supposed to be a favorite to win this tournament?
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This makes sense. EG needs to enter the single elimination portion of the tournament on the back foot. Otherwise it wouldn't have the feeling of a winning environment for the team.
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sooooo
isn't the meta at the moment to win the early game?
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On December 05 2016 12:06 Achaian wrote:
question: who do you guys think has the better lategame? Dusa/Sven is pretty tempting but every hero excepting nyx can go carry on coL, so I'm split
coL, they're going to have 5 farmed heroes while EG is choked out and have an ogre
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this is satisfying, too bad it's not an elimination series
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On December 05 2016 12:06 uthgard wrote:
this is satisfying, too bad it's not an elimination series
swindle will have beaten EG 4-2 lul
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complexity beating eg twice in one day ?????
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RTZ should have most likely gone blink before echo sabre this game. Was obvious he was not gonna be farming alot anyway at that point in the game.
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EG needs a perfect team fight to win. Otherwise coL has 5 heroes who all pose a serious problem in a team fight. Way too hard to get a pick off too.
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coL is impressing me, EG not as much. Then again it is groups and EG always do well under pressure which single elim should provide.
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Radiance naix?!? Not a fan, might be game losing
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So EG just got hammered. Huh.
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good thing these group stages don't really matter
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not sure teams that finished 2nd are happy about that result
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On December 05 2016 12:10 DucK- wrote:
Radiance naix?!? Not a fan, might be game losing
I hate to tell you this but...
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On December 05 2016 12:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Remember when EG was supposed to be a favorite to win this tournament?
Yes. Apparently that EG didn't show up in this tournament.
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...so when will PPD come back?
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On December 05 2016 12:11 Danzo wrote:
...so when will PPD come back?
when rtz goes back to secret
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honestly they need PPD right now lol
also artour needs a team built around him.
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zfreek played like a god this series
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On December 05 2016 12:09 PhoenixVoid wrote:
coL is impressing me, EG not as much. Then again it is groups and EG always do well under pressure which single elim should provide.
Eh, don't overplay how well complexity was playing. LGD handled them pretty easily. Complexity has a well-developed approach to countering the way EG wants to team fight. I've never seen modern EG get countered that badly (well, except peak-insanity MVP.P).
Though the Leshrac finally makes sense.
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Top seed from each group picks bottom opponent of another group for Main Event
Second seeds play 3rd team from remaining group the top seed chose
lol
wings, newbee and Ehome will be fucked if their top seed pick faceless.
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On December 05 2016 12:12 bagels21 wrote:
honestly they need PPD right now lol
also artour needs a team built around him.
I had a feeling this team wasn't going to work out. I know a lot of people love him, but I'm just not a fan of Areezy when it comes to being on a team with Sumail. People thought him and PPD had the chemistry issues, but at least they were top 3 in every event, this EG is choking so hard when it matters the most right now.
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Also, the last couple of matches (including AF vs EHOME) have really demonstrated the limitations of Ogre as a hero.
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On December 05 2016 12:12 bagels21 wrote:
honestly they need PPD right now lol
also artour needs a team built around him.
Ye just looking at these games at least, they would most likely have more success with Fear.
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On December 05 2016 12:13 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 12:09 PhoenixVoid wrote:
coL is impressing me, EG not as much. Then again it is groups and EG always do well under pressure which single elim should provide. Eh, don't overplay how well complexity was playing. LGD handled them pretty easily. Complexity has a well-developed approach to countering the way EG wants to team fight. I've never seen modern EG get countered that badly (well, except peak-insanity MVP.P). Though the Leshrac finally makes sense.
tbf LGD was probably the #2 team in China (they absolutely crushed quals) and just did the stupid thing of choosing iG.V.
They might be the most underrated team. Maybe is still incredible.
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I don't think people should draw too many conclusions from groups. The groups being used just for seeding mean that even the 4th seed has same chances of winning the entire event as a 1st seed.
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On December 05 2016 12:13 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +
Top seed from each group picks bottom opponent of another group for Main Event
Second seeds play 3rd team from remaining group the top seed chose
lol wings, newbee and Ehome will be fucked if their top seed pick faceless.
Would be more scared if I where in EG.
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EG seems fine until they encounter the slightest trouble, then they just crumble. Something tells me this iteration won't be around for too long after this major if they don't place really well.
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On December 05 2016 12:15 overt wrote:
I don't think people should draw too many conclusions from groups. The groups being used just for seeding mean that even the 4th seed has same chances of winning the entire event as a 1st seed.
idk, you can claim they're not trying but you can tell from the player interviews that they care a lot. Getting the top seed does make a huge difference IMO
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Now we start the betting on who gets kicked, cr1t or artdoor. I don't expect them to get much further in this tournament, especially considering the format
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damn zfreek is doing the humble thing heh
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On December 05 2016 12:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Also, the last couple of matches (including AF vs EHOME) have really demonstrated the limitations of Ogre as a hero.
I want to see the Fireblast bonus mana tax from Multcast get removed. I don't know why that's a thing.
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Who else was bother of the fact that not one of the supports on EG had fucking sentries/dust until it was too late. Can someone make up their mind who's trying to be the 4 or 5 here.g
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On December 05 2016 12:16 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 12:15 overt wrote:
I don't think people should draw too many conclusions from groups. The groups being used just for seeding mean that even the 4th seed has same chances of winning the entire event as a 1st seed. idk, you can claim they're not trying but you can tell from the player interviews that they care a lot. Getting the top seed does make a huge difference IMO
#1 matters a lot, as there's always a few really weak teams in any Major. (Or teams going downhill rapidly.) Getting #2 isn't as important, but it helps to get out of groups on a win.
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On December 05 2016 12:17 Achaian wrote:
Now we start the betting on who gets kicked, cr1t or artdoor. I don't expect them to get much further in this tournament, especially considering the format
I always thought they'd eventually kick Universe.
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On December 05 2016 12:16 Nevuk wrote:
EG seems fine until they encounter the slightest trouble, then they just crumble. Something tells me this iteration won't be around for too long after this major if they don't place really well.
just like secret
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On December 05 2016 12:16 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 12:15 overt wrote:
I don't think people should draw too many conclusions from groups. The groups being used just for seeding mean that even the 4th seed has same chances of winning the entire event as a 1st seed. idk, you can claim they're not trying but you can tell from the player interviews that they care a lot. Getting the top seed does make a huge difference IMO
I think every team was trying but any 4th seed is in the same position as every other hero. It's not like there's a losers bracket that teams get put into, literally anything can happen in single elim bracket.
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On December 05 2016 12:16 BigO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 12:13 CxWiLL wrote:
Top seed from each group picks bottom opponent of another group for Main Event
Second seeds play 3rd team from remaining group the top seed chose
lol wings, newbee and Ehome will be fucked if their top seed pick faceless. Would be more scared if I where in EG.
Huh. EG will be playing one of those 3 team aren't they. Game is hard already.
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On December 05 2016 12:18 Danzo wrote:
Who else was bother of the fact that not one of the supports on EG had fucking sentries/dust until it was too late. Can someone make up their mind who's trying to be the 4 or 5 here.g
EG's supports have been extremely poor most of the games. Even more than normal. I also think they picked Ogre too much.
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Is it only me who thinks that swindlezz was playing so good too in 2 series against EG?
Rare occasion happened twice in a day. Maybe he's improved?
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On December 05 2016 12:21 honeylover wrote:
Is it only me who thinks that swindlezz was playing so good too in 2 series against EG?
Rare occasion happened twice in a day. Maybe he's improved?
he stole PPD's mojo (his tree was probably the best tree i've seen since PPD lol)
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Like regardless of who EG face in their next game, Col did reveal a very big weakness in EG's play and I would be worried about that. They don't handle aggresion/team fighting well and it's obviously gonna be something the other teams will have noticed. Just don't let EG get much space to farm and they will crumble.
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On December 05 2016 12:18 M.S.Bismarck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 12:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Also, the last couple of matches (including AF vs EHOME) have really demonstrated the limitations of Ogre as a hero. I want to see the Fireblast bonus mana tax from Multcast get removed. I don't know why that's a thing.
I'd rather add some buffs to Fireblast range so you can counter-initiate with him. Hero's so useless post-20 minutes.
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On December 05 2016 12:20 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 12:18 Danzo wrote:
Who else was bother of the fact that not one of the supports on EG had fucking sentries/dust until it was too late. Can someone make up their mind who's trying to be the 4 or 5 here.g EG's supports have been extremely poor most of the games. Even more than normal. I also think they picked Ogre too much.
Zai on Ogre is such a waste of talent. He just looks clueless on that hero.
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On December 05 2016 12:19 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 12:17 Achaian wrote:
Now we start the betting on who gets kicked, cr1t or artdoor. I don't expect them to get much further in this tournament, especially considering the format I always thought they'd eventually kick Universe.
The problem is, who do you replace him with.
Quality western offlaners are pretty thin on the ground these days.
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Now EG will face one of EHOME, Wings, or Newbee.
Wings vs EG hyped!
I just want to see one of these 2 favorites go home as bottom 8 :D
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On December 05 2016 12:21 honeylover wrote:
Is it only me who thinks that swindlezz was playing so good too in 2 series against EG?
Rare occasion happened twice in a day. Maybe he's improved?
swindlezz actually got the most fantasy points of any support player for the day
for whatever that's worth
On December 05 2016 12:37 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 12:19 Orome wrote:On December 05 2016 12:17 Achaian wrote:
Now we start the betting on who gets kicked, cr1t or artdoor. I don't expect them to get much further in this tournament, especially considering the format I always thought they'd eventually kick Universe. The problem is, who do you replace him with. Quality western offlaners are pretty thin on the ground these days.
zai?
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EG vs Wings in Ro16 wow. LGD cannibalizing LGD.FY is kinda funny though.
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On December 05 2016 12:50 PhoenixVoid wrote:
LGD cannibalizing LGD.FY is kinda funny though.
And the Chinese players and fans die a little inside. They always remark about how they (the players) hate eliminating other Chinese teams.
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On December 05 2016 12:48 Exoteric wrote:
eg vs wings good lord
Idk maybe it'll be super hype this way but neither of these teams should be eliminated in the first round. Oh well, guess we'll see how single elim is.
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On December 05 2016 12:48 Exoteric wrote:
eg vs wings good lord
Secret.rtz inc.
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EG Wings and WG.Unity CoL? what is this lol... please no more of this format
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Wait did LGD actually pick LFY over WG.U?
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Winner of VP vs iG.V vs winner of Wings vs EG even more juicy.
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aaaaand that's why you don't want to place 3/4 LOL
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Bottom part of the bracket's also juicy while the middle is some weak shit. EG losing fucked up the bracket quite a bit.
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On December 05 2016 13:12 Orome wrote:
Wait did LGD actually pick LFY over WG.U?
Big bro is an asshole
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fingers crossed that EG beat all odds and knocking out wings
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How the fuck did a team with monkeys-forever, canceL, and melonzz beat EG 4-2 at a Valve event?
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On December 05 2016 13:57 plasmidghost wrote:
How the fuck did a team with monkeys-forever, canceL, and melonzz beat EG 4-2 at a Valve event?
Zfreek stepped up hard, as did canceL's Mirana mid.
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LGD teamkill wtf
also yeah NP has an easy path to semis.
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Are we having a bracket contest for rainmaker
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On December 05 2016 13:17 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 13:12 Orome wrote:
Wait did LGD actually pick LFY over WG.U? Big bro is an asshole
heh i thought teams were randomly matched no?
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Spare a thought for Ad Finem, played really well so far and got rewarded with Newbee. Although I can see that upset happening also..
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On December 05 2016 14:46 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 13:17 stuchiu wrote:On December 05 2016 13:12 Orome wrote:
Wait did LGD actually pick LFY over WG.U? Big bro is an asshole heh i thought teams were randomly matched no?
everyone always said first place would get to choose, but now that I look at it it's 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd all the way through, so yeah I guess it was random
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On December 05 2016 14:00 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 13:57 plasmidghost wrote:
How the fuck did a team with monkeys-forever, canceL, and melonzz beat EG 4-2 at a Valve event? Zfreek stepped up hard, as did canceL's Mirana mid.
I knew Zfreek was an up and coming player with his hidden Refresher plays in TI.
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Haha EG lost a second time to col! NA teams have yet to beat a non SEA team, visas ruined two Chinese teams.
I don't get why people are not happy with the tree, the best teams almost get a BYE, OG vs MVP first round grudge match and all the 2nd place vs 3rd place matches are tough to predict with a hyped EG vs wings but I would not be surprised if the best match of the first round turns out to be newbee vs ad finem.
Also I feel even more salty about this bulba pick for liquid now.
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faceless have been disappointing as fuck
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Does volvo throw youtube vods?
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On December 05 2016 12:58 blobrus wrote:Idk maybe it'll be super hype this way but neither of these teams should be eliminated in the first round. Oh well, guess we'll see how single elim is.
Well EG did get third in their group. If they beat col, they would have gotten col's spot which looks to be the friendliest quadrant atm. Not that there is an easy quadrant.
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Wonder if LGD would share the prize with Execration?
As well as the replacements for LFY and iG.v?
It's kind of unfair for the teams/players that didn't make it due to visa issues. Maybe a x%/y% split would be fair.
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Is it me or the top bracket looks more stacked ? probably just me.... like unbalanced stacked.
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On December 05 2016 18:05 bluzi wrote:
Is it me or the top bracket looks more stacked ? probably just me.... like unbalanced stacked.
it does but you can blame eg and wings for that.
it sucks that newbee and lgd will probably play each other in the second round 
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On December 05 2016 18:38 TRAP[yoo] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 18:05 bluzi wrote:
Is it me or the top bracket looks more stacked ? probably just me.... like unbalanced stacked. it does but you can blame eg and wings for that. it sucks that newbee and lgd will probably play each other in the second round
whoever wins between them have a huge chance to go to finals, so it's sad it's that soon, but I'm glad they'll face each other. Probably one of the best series we can have, if it goes like esl quali finals
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VP
Igv
DC
Col
Eg
WG
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Faceless
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NP
Newbee
AF
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LGD FY
How the bracket would have looked like if wings and eg got 1st and 2nd in their groups respectively. Would have been a very balanced bracket. Yea I blame both teams.
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On December 05 2016 19:08 Pontual wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 18:38 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On December 05 2016 18:05 bluzi wrote:
Is it me or the top bracket looks more stacked ? probably just me.... like unbalanced stacked. it does but you can blame eg and wings for that. it sucks that newbee and lgd will probably play each other in the second round whoever wins between them have a huge chance to go to finals, so it's sad it's that soon, but I'm glad they'll face each other. Probably one of the best series we can have, if it goes like esl quali finals
The same feeling when Spain, Germany, Italy, Italy and England were all in the lower bracket of Euro 2016
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On December 05 2016 20:45 Cybuster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 19:08 Pontual wrote:On December 05 2016 18:38 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On December 05 2016 18:05 bluzi wrote:
Is it me or the top bracket looks more stacked ? probably just me.... like unbalanced stacked. it does but you can blame eg and wings for that. it sucks that newbee and lgd will probably play each other in the second round whoever wins between them have a huge chance to go to finals, so it's sad it's that soon, but I'm glad they'll face each other. Probably one of the best series we can have, if it goes like esl quali finals The same feeling when Spain, Germany, Italy, Italy and England were all in the lower bracket of Euro 2016
Portugal tho, maybe that's a sign, Complexity have their C-God just like CR7. lol
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On December 05 2016 18:05 bluzi wrote:
Is it me or the top bracket looks more stacked ? probably just me.... like unbalanced stacked.
this why groups matter and why everyone who said group stage didn't matter weren't thinking straight lol
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They matter as a whole but from the perspective of an individual team it's a bit tricky given that you don't control how the other groups go at all. For example here VP took 1st in their group and got a 4th place team against them but then they have very high profile teams in their way. Or EG beating Faceless and getting what seems to be a harder road.
And also you don't control how the bracket draw happens to go, Even with the same group results we could have had quite different brackets just depending on the draw.
Unless I brainfarted somewhere I think with the same group results another possible bracket would have been:
DC vs MVP
EG vs EHOME
coL vs AF
VP vs LGD.FY
LGD vs IGV
Wings vs NP
Newbee vs WGU
OG vs Faceless
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On December 06 2016 01:05 spudde123 wrote:
They matter as a whole but from the perspective of an individual team it's a bit tricky given that you don't control how the other groups go at all. For example here VP took 1st in their group and got a 4th place team against them but then they have very high profile teams in their way. Or EG beating Faceless and getting what seems to be a harder road.
And also you don't control how the bracket draw happens to go, Even with the same group results we could have had quite different brackets just depending on the draw.
Sure but Wings/EG both avoid VP if they just finish 1st. If you finish 1st, you basically have a much easier road. The "easy" brackets only exist b/c DC/LGD won their groups.
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It wouldn't have been so bad if either EG had finished 2nd or Wings had been able to challenge DC.
Yes. So I guess group stages sort of mattered and it's not just Wings or EG having a hard path. VP also has a challenge to get to the final spots as well.
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On December 06 2016 03:18 VonHausen wrote:
games to watch of day 2?
Col vs eg, game1 of the second series
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On December 05 2016 15:09 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 14:46 nayumi wrote:On December 05 2016 13:17 stuchiu wrote:On December 05 2016 13:12 Orome wrote:
Wait did LGD actually pick LFY over WG.U? Big bro is an asshole heh i thought teams were randomly matched no? everyone always said first place would get to choose, but now that I look at it it's 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd all the way through, so yeah I guess it was random
#1 teams still had choice to select which #4 they want (I think that was the format). Still, this means that first #1 (probably by drawing lots) had 4 choices of #4s, next one had 3 choices.. then 2 & last #1 had no choice. Quite possible that LGD was last one who had no choice but LFY as other #1s chose other 3 #4s.
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On December 06 2016 01:05 spudde123 wrote:
They matter as a whole but from the perspective of an individual team it's a bit tricky given that you don't control how the other groups go at all. For example here VP took 1st in their group and got a 4th place team against them but then they have very high profile teams in their way. Or EG beating Faceless and getting what seems to be a harder road.
And also you don't control how the bracket draw happens to go, Even with the same group results we could have had quite different brackets just depending on the draw.
Unless I brainfarted somewhere I think with the same group results another possible bracket would have been:
DC vs MVP
EG vs EHOME
coL vs AF
VP vs LGD.FY
LGD vs IGV
Wings vs NP
Newbee vs WGU
OG vs Faceless
You are missing the part where #1 placed teams had choice of which #4 team they face & #2 teams gets the #3 from the group which #4 is chosen from. So in the current scenario in all likelihood, DC chose Faceless & Wings got EG by virtue of it. (May be DC doing it purposefully if they had all the knowledge )
In any case, this is bound to happen if these "supposed high quality teams" do not show their quality in group stage. From Valve's perspective VP (or any group winner) has 1 other group winner, 2 runner-ups, 2 3rd placed & 2 bottom placed teams in their side of the bracket. Similar format is used in many other sports, current seeding (in previous stages of tournaments) is given more preference than historical team performances.
This gives importance to all stages of the tournament & not just the knockouts stages. Even a small slip up (like Wings e.g.) can affect your bracket a lot.
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Pretty sure the info about the teams being able to pick their opponents was incorrect. It's not bound to happen, I just posted a bracket that was possible with these exact group placings if they had just had a different random draw. And in that bracket OG, Wings, VP and EG (the teams people are shouting about being on the same side) are each in their own quadrant. But of course the teams could have taken away the chance completely had they won their respective groups.
Also I specifically didn't say the teams are high quality (not sure why you are bolding an incorrect quote) as obviously Wings and EG showed weakness by losing to WGU and coL. But given their pretty recent accomplishments it's a fair assumption that both Wings and EG may rise to the occasion.
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The #1 teams being able to pick the #4 team never made sense. What happens if multiple #1 teams want to play the same #4 teams? Someone isn't going to get their choice
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On December 06 2016 04:55 spudde123 wrote:
It's not bound to happen, I just posted a bracket that was possible with these exact group placings if they had just had a different random draw. And in that bracket OG, Wings, VP and EG (the teams people are shouting about being on the same side) are each in their own quadrant. But of course the teams could have taken away the chance completely had they won their respective groups. Also pretty sure the info about the teams being able to pick their opponents was incorrect.
Also I specifically didn't say the teams are high quality (not sure why you are bolding an incorrect quote) as obviously Wings and EG showed weakness by losing to WGU and coL. But given their pretty recent accomplishments it's a fair assumption that both Wings and EG may rise to the occasion.
I am not sure but I think it wasn't random. #1 teams selected which #4 they want to play. (Seems which one chose first was by lots or something so there is still little bit of unfairness/luck as last #1 team would have had no choice).
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On December 06 2016 04:59 TomatoBisque wrote:
The #1 teams being able to pick the #4 team never made sense. What happens if multiple #1 teams want to play the same #4 teams? Someone isn't going to get their choice
It was probably one after another choosing from remaining #4 teams. Order by lots/random may be. Don't know for sure if this was followed or not but I think I read it in format rules.
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Something about picking opponents was at least on the big pre tournament reddit post but I don't believe it was accurate.
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