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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On December 05 2016 18:05 bluzi wrote: Is it me or the top bracket looks more stacked ? probably just me.... like unbalanced stacked. it does but you can blame eg and wings for that. it sucks that newbee and lgd will probably play each other in the second round  | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 05 2016 18:38 TRAP[yoo] wrote: it does but you can blame eg and wings for that. it sucks that newbee and lgd will probably play each other in the second round whoever wins between them have a huge chance to go to finals, so it's sad it's that soon, but I'm glad they'll face each other. Probably one of the best series we can have, if it goes like esl quali finals | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11446 Posts
Igv DC Col Eg WG Og MVP Wings Faceless Ehome NP Newbee AF LGD LGD FY How the bracket would have looked like if wings and eg got 1st and 2nd in their groups respectively. Would have been a very balanced bracket. Yea I blame both teams. | ||
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Cybuster
Canada99 Posts
On December 05 2016 19:08 Pontual wrote: whoever wins between them have a huge chance to go to finals, so it's sad it's that soon, but I'm glad they'll face each other. Probably one of the best series we can have, if it goes like esl quali finals The same feeling when Spain, Germany, Italy, Italy and England were all in the lower bracket of Euro 2016  | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 05 2016 20:45 Cybuster wrote: The same feeling when Spain, Germany, Italy, Italy and England were all in the lower bracket of Euro 2016 Portugal tho, maybe that's a sign, Complexity have their C-God just like CR7. lol | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 05 2016 18:05 bluzi wrote: Is it me or the top bracket looks more stacked ? probably just me.... like unbalanced stacked. this why groups matter and why everyone who said group stage didn't matter weren't thinking straight lol | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
And also you don't control how the bracket draw happens to go, Even with the same group results we could have had quite different brackets just depending on the draw. Unless I brainfarted somewhere I think with the same group results another possible bracket would have been: DC vs MVP EG vs EHOME coL vs AF VP vs LGD.FY LGD vs IGV Wings vs NP Newbee vs WGU OG vs Faceless | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On December 06 2016 01:05 spudde123 wrote: They matter as a whole but from the perspective of an individual team it's a bit tricky given that you don't control how the other groups go at all. For example here VP took 1st in their group and got a 4th place team against them but then they have very high profile teams in their way. Or EG beating Faceless and getting what seems to be a harder road. And also you don't control how the bracket draw happens to go, Even with the same group results we could have had quite different brackets just depending on the draw. Sure but Wings/EG both avoid VP if they just finish 1st. If you finish 1st, you basically have a much easier road. The "easy" brackets only exist b/c DC/LGD won their groups. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Yes. So I guess group stages sort of mattered and it's not just Wings or EG having a hard path. VP also has a challenge to get to the final spots as well. | ||
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VonHausen
Italy28 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 06 2016 03:18 VonHausen wrote: games to watch of day 2? Col vs eg, game1 of the second series | ||
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atmankulkarni
India109 Posts
On December 05 2016 15:09 Orome wrote: everyone always said first place would get to choose, but now that I look at it it's 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd all the way through, so yeah I guess it was random #1 teams still had choice to select which #4 they want (I think that was the format). Still, this means that first #1 (probably by drawing lots) had 4 choices of #4s, next one had 3 choices.. then 2 & last #1 had no choice. Quite possible that LGD was last one who had no choice but LFY as other #1s chose other 3 #4s. | ||
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atmankulkarni
India109 Posts
On December 06 2016 01:05 spudde123 wrote: They matter as a whole but from the perspective of an individual team it's a bit tricky given that you don't control how the other groups go at all. For example here VP took 1st in their group and got a 4th place team against them but then they have very high profile teams in their way. Or EG beating Faceless and getting what seems to be a harder road. And also you don't control how the bracket draw happens to go, Even with the same group results we could have had quite different brackets just depending on the draw. Unless I brainfarted somewhere I think with the same group results another possible bracket would have been: DC vs MVP EG vs EHOME coL vs AF VP vs LGD.FY LGD vs IGV Wings vs NP Newbee vs WGU OG vs Faceless You are missing the part where #1 placed teams had choice of which #4 team they face & #2 teams gets the #3 from the group which #4 is chosen from. So in the current scenario in all likelihood, DC chose Faceless & Wings got EG by virtue of it. (May be DC doing it purposefully if they had all the knowledge  )In any case, this is bound to happen if these "supposed high quality teams" do not show their quality in group stage. From Valve's perspective VP (or any group winner) has 1 other group winner, 2 runner-ups, 2 3rd placed & 2 bottom placed teams in their side of the bracket. Similar format is used in many other sports, current seeding (in previous stages of tournaments) is given more preference than historical team performances. This gives importance to all stages of the tournament & not just the knockouts stages. Even a small slip up (like Wings e.g.) can affect your bracket a lot. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Also I specifically didn't say the teams are high quality (not sure why you are bolding an incorrect quote) as obviously Wings and EG showed weakness by losing to WGU and coL. But given their pretty recent accomplishments it's a fair assumption that both Wings and EG may rise to the occasion. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
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atmankulkarni
India109 Posts
On December 06 2016 04:55 spudde123 wrote: It's not bound to happen, I just posted a bracket that was possible with these exact group placings if they had just had a different random draw. And in that bracket OG, Wings, VP and EG (the teams people are shouting about being on the same side) are each in their own quadrant. But of course the teams could have taken away the chance completely had they won their respective groups. Also pretty sure the info about the teams being able to pick their opponents was incorrect. Also I specifically didn't say the teams are high quality (not sure why you are bolding an incorrect quote) as obviously Wings and EG showed weakness by losing to WGU and coL. But given their pretty recent accomplishments it's a fair assumption that both Wings and EG may rise to the occasion. I am not sure but I think it wasn't random. #1 teams selected which #4 they want to play. (Seems which one chose first was by lots or something so there is still little bit of unfairness/luck as last #1 team would have had no choice). | ||
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atmankulkarni
India109 Posts
On December 06 2016 04:59 TomatoBisque wrote: The #1 teams being able to pick the #4 team never made sense. What happens if multiple #1 teams want to play the same #4 teams? Someone isn't going to get their choice It was probably one after another choosing from remaining #4 teams. Order by lots/random may be. Don't know for sure if this was followed or not but I think I read it in format rules. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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