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Secret, Vp, Liquid, AD Finem all have players with a better track record against strong opponents than Execration or MVP. They all happen to be European so I said Europe.
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What makes the likes of Flipside, Empire, Imperial, and Escape more formidable than Mineski, Power Gaming, Fnatic, or WGU?
It's also laughable to assume that Ad Finem, VP, Secret or Liquid had a track record. VP are doing strong, but they haven't finished any tournaments yet, Liquid was a mess during the start of this season, Secret dropped out of two or three tournament qualifiers, and Ad Finem have had mediocre results up until now.
It's absurd to compare a first place finish in a lan to ongoing performance in online qualifiers.
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On October 30 2016 09:57 common_cider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 09:43 M.S.Bismarck wrote:On October 30 2016 08:59 common_cider wrote:
Secret beats MVP, LGDfy at Lan last month and Valve still invites MVP over Secret. This screwed Vega Squadron out of a playoff spot, empire out of qualifier spot, and Europe out of a major invite
gb volvo What does it matter how many invites Europe gets? It doesn't. However, Secret, Vp, Liquid, AD Finem all have players with a better track record against strong opponents than Execration or MVP. They all happen to be European so I said Europe. If Valve wants to invite a team 7th or 8th team based on merits of the players, they should look to those 4 teams first. The players on those teams have earned their invite based on wins and hard work. Those are 4 groups of 5 players have earned the right to be invited versus the last 10 players they invited. It's unfair to to allow players without a track record to be invited over those that have a great one. The players without the track record should earn their spot through the qualifiers.
Lol this post.
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On October 30 2016 10:24 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 09:57 common_cider wrote:On October 30 2016 09:43 M.S.Bismarck wrote:On October 30 2016 08:59 common_cider wrote:
Secret beats MVP, LGDfy at Lan last month and Valve still invites MVP over Secret. This screwed Vega Squadron out of a playoff spot, empire out of qualifier spot, and Europe out of a major invite
gb volvo What does it matter how many invites Europe gets? It doesn't. However, Secret, Vp, Liquid, AD Finem all have players with a better track record against strong opponents than Execration or MVP. They all happen to be European so I said Europe. If Valve wants to invite a team 7th or 8th team based on merits of the players, they should look to those 4 teams first. The players on those teams have earned their invite based on wins and hard work. Those are 4 groups of 5 players have earned the right to be invited versus the last 10 players they invited. It's unfair to to allow players without a track record to be invited over those that have a great one. The players without the track record should earn their spot through the qualifiers. Lol this post.
No he's right European teams with pedigree had a fantastic track record at the previous TI kek
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On October 30 2016 10:44 uriel- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 10:24 Shaella wrote:On October 30 2016 09:57 common_cider wrote:On October 30 2016 09:43 M.S.Bismarck wrote:On October 30 2016 08:59 common_cider wrote:
Secret beats MVP, LGDfy at Lan last month and Valve still invites MVP over Secret. This screwed Vega Squadron out of a playoff spot, empire out of qualifier spot, and Europe out of a major invite
gb volvo What does it matter how many invites Europe gets? It doesn't. However, Secret, Vp, Liquid, AD Finem all have players with a better track record against strong opponents than Execration or MVP. They all happen to be European so I said Europe. If Valve wants to invite a team 7th or 8th team based on merits of the players, they should look to those 4 teams first. The players on those teams have earned their invite based on wins and hard work. Those are 4 groups of 5 players have earned the right to be invited versus the last 10 players they invited. It's unfair to to allow players without a track record to be invited over those that have a great one. The players without the track record should earn their spot through the qualifiers. Lol this post. No he's right European teams with pedigree had a fantastic track record at the previous TI kek
Look at the TI before that! And the one before that too!
Europe amazing region
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On October 30 2016 10:44 uriel- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 10:24 Shaella wrote:On October 30 2016 09:57 common_cider wrote:On October 30 2016 09:43 M.S.Bismarck wrote:On October 30 2016 08:59 common_cider wrote:
Secret beats MVP, LGDfy at Lan last month and Valve still invites MVP over Secret. This screwed Vega Squadron out of a playoff spot, empire out of qualifier spot, and Europe out of a major invite
gb volvo What does it matter how many invites Europe gets? It doesn't. However, Secret, Vp, Liquid, AD Finem all have players with a better track record against strong opponents than Execration or MVP. They all happen to be European so I said Europe. If Valve wants to invite a team 7th or 8th team based on merits of the players, they should look to those 4 teams first. The players on those teams have earned their invite based on wins and hard work. Those are 4 groups of 5 players have earned the right to be invited versus the last 10 players they invited. It's unfair to to allow players without a track record to be invited over those that have a great one. The players without the track record should earn their spot through the qualifiers. Lol this post. No he's right European teams with pedigree had a fantastic track record at the previous TI kek
Midone -4th
Forev - 5-6th
MP- 5th-6th
Puppey- 13-16th, 1st place shanghai, 2nd Frankfurt
PLD- 13-16th, 1st place shanghai, 2nd Frankfurt
Mineksi
DJ - 4th
4 pinoys - 1 lan win, (50 for puppey)
MVP
Velo, Riesien (1 finals against only SEA teams)
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On October 30 2016 10:53 common_cider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 10:44 uriel- wrote:On October 30 2016 10:24 Shaella wrote:On October 30 2016 09:57 common_cider wrote:On October 30 2016 09:43 M.S.Bismarck wrote:On October 30 2016 08:59 common_cider wrote:
Secret beats MVP, LGDfy at Lan last month and Valve still invites MVP over Secret. This screwed Vega Squadron out of a playoff spot, empire out of qualifier spot, and Europe out of a major invite
gb volvo What does it matter how many invites Europe gets? It doesn't. However, Secret, Vp, Liquid, AD Finem all have players with a better track record against strong opponents than Execration or MVP. They all happen to be European so I said Europe. If Valve wants to invite a team 7th or 8th team based on merits of the players, they should look to those 4 teams first. The players on those teams have earned their invite based on wins and hard work. Those are 4 groups of 5 players have earned the right to be invited versus the last 10 players they invited. It's unfair to to allow players without a track record to be invited over those that have a great one. The players without the track record should earn their spot through the qualifiers. Lol this post. No he's right European teams with pedigree had a fantastic track record at the previous TI kek Midone -4th Forev - 5-6th MP- 5th-6th Puppey- 13-16th, 1st place shanghai, 2nd Frankfurt PLD- 13-16th, 1st place shanghai, 2nd Frankfurt Mineksi DJ - 4th 4 pinoys - 1 lan win, (50 for puppey) MVP Velo, Riesien (1 finals against only SEA teams)
Nice list, now you can add "failed to qualify for Boston" too
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Failed to quality for boston would be a great addition
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On October 30 2016 10:57 uriel- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 10:53 common_cider wrote:On October 30 2016 10:44 uriel- wrote:On October 30 2016 10:24 Shaella wrote:On October 30 2016 09:57 common_cider wrote:On October 30 2016 09:43 M.S.Bismarck wrote:On October 30 2016 08:59 common_cider wrote:
Secret beats MVP, LGDfy at Lan last month and Valve still invites MVP over Secret. This screwed Vega Squadron out of a playoff spot, empire out of qualifier spot, and Europe out of a major invite
gb volvo What does it matter how many invites Europe gets? It doesn't. However, Secret, Vp, Liquid, AD Finem all have players with a better track record against strong opponents than Execration or MVP. They all happen to be European so I said Europe. If Valve wants to invite a team 7th or 8th team based on merits of the players, they should look to those 4 teams first. The players on those teams have earned their invite based on wins and hard work. Those are 4 groups of 5 players have earned the right to be invited versus the last 10 players they invited. It's unfair to to allow players without a track record to be invited over those that have a great one. The players without the track record should earn their spot through the qualifiers. Lol this post. No he's right European teams with pedigree had a fantastic track record at the previous TI kek Midone -4th Forev - 5-6th MP- 5th-6th Puppey- 13-16th, 1st place shanghai, 2nd Frankfurt PLD- 13-16th, 1st place shanghai, 2nd Frankfurt Mineksi DJ - 4th 4 pinoys - 1 lan win, (50 for puppey) MVP Velo, Riesien (1 finals against only SEA teams) Nice list, now you can add "failed to qualify for Boston" too
great line for last comic standing audition, but not a counter argument.
Players on MVP, Mineski Win-Loss Record at Lans is better than Secret, Liquid players Record on Lans? lul
Edit: P.S. DC 2nd at Ti 4/5 EUros
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On October 30 2016 08:59 common_cider wrote:
Secret beats MVP, LGDfy at Lan last month and Valve still invites MVP over Secret. This screwed Vega Squadron out of a playoff spot, empire out of qualifier spot, and Europe out of a major invite
gb volvo
Wow... people still arguing about the invites!!!
I guess that's the only topic (some) Secret fans can argue about now they got eliminated.. 
Personally I think Secret played well & are a good team but so are Liquid, AF, VP & they deserve to qualify more than Secret. That's the name of the game. Whether Secret should have got direct Invite, I guess that has been already discussed & explained by many & most seem to be fine with the reasoning behind all invites.
Better luck next time Secret. Lets hope they do not kick players/shuffle again!!
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On October 30 2016 10:53 common_cider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 10:44 uriel- wrote:On October 30 2016 10:24 Shaella wrote:On October 30 2016 09:57 common_cider wrote:On October 30 2016 09:43 M.S.Bismarck wrote:On October 30 2016 08:59 common_cider wrote:
Secret beats MVP, LGDfy at Lan last month and Valve still invites MVP over Secret. This screwed Vega Squadron out of a playoff spot, empire out of qualifier spot, and Europe out of a major invite
gb volvo What does it matter how many invites Europe gets? It doesn't. However, Secret, Vp, Liquid, AD Finem all have players with a better track record against strong opponents than Execration or MVP. They all happen to be European so I said Europe. If Valve wants to invite a team 7th or 8th team based on merits of the players, they should look to those 4 teams first. The players on those teams have earned their invite based on wins and hard work. Those are 4 groups of 5 players have earned the right to be invited versus the last 10 players they invited. It's unfair to to allow players without a track record to be invited over those that have a great one. The players without the track record should earn their spot through the qualifiers. Lol this post. No he's right European teams with pedigree had a fantastic track record at the previous TI kek Midone -4th Forev - 5-6th MP- 5th-6th Puppey- 13-16th, 1st place shanghai, 2nd Frankfurt PLD- 13-16th, 1st place shanghai, 2nd Frankfurt Mineksi DJ - 4th 4 pinoys - 1 lan win, (50 for puppey) MVP Velo, Riesien (1 finals against only SEA teams)
Why are you listing previous track record? Valve does not care how many LANs you won before the recent Major/TI. Invites are only based on TEAM wins (not individual) at LANs after the recent Major/TI. That has been the case for more than a year now. No point arguing over it.
PS: TEAM means at-least 3 players retained from the squad. So whatever record Puppey or current Secret players have individually is irrelevant because that was with different rosters/teams.
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edit wrong thread! whoops
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On October 30 2016 11:14 common_cider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2016 10:57 uriel- wrote:On October 30 2016 10:53 common_cider wrote:On October 30 2016 10:44 uriel- wrote:On October 30 2016 10:24 Shaella wrote:On October 30 2016 09:57 common_cider wrote:On October 30 2016 09:43 M.S.Bismarck wrote:On October 30 2016 08:59 common_cider wrote:
Secret beats MVP, LGDfy at Lan last month and Valve still invites MVP over Secret. This screwed Vega Squadron out of a playoff spot, empire out of qualifier spot, and Europe out of a major invite
gb volvo What does it matter how many invites Europe gets? It doesn't. However, Secret, Vp, Liquid, AD Finem all have players with a better track record against strong opponents than Execration or MVP. They all happen to be European so I said Europe. If Valve wants to invite a team 7th or 8th team based on merits of the players, they should look to those 4 teams first. The players on those teams have earned their invite based on wins and hard work. Those are 4 groups of 5 players have earned the right to be invited versus the last 10 players they invited. It's unfair to to allow players without a track record to be invited over those that have a great one. The players without the track record should earn their spot through the qualifiers. Lol this post. No he's right European teams with pedigree had a fantastic track record at the previous TI kek Midone -4th Forev - 5-6th MP- 5th-6th Puppey- 13-16th, 1st place shanghai, 2nd Frankfurt PLD- 13-16th, 1st place shanghai, 2nd Frankfurt Mineksi DJ - 4th 4 pinoys - 1 lan win, (50 for puppey) MVP Velo, Riesien (1 finals against only SEA teams) Nice list, now you can add "failed to qualify for Boston" too great line for last comic standing audition, but not a counter argument. Players on MVP, Mineski Win-Loss Record at Lans is better than Secret, Liquid players Record on Lans? lul Edit: P.S. DC 2nd at Ti 4/5 EUros
Who's arguing with you? Last I checked arguments don't get bad teams into majors.
Winning at dota does, but I guess secret doesn't know that lul
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Sea has improved so much as a region in the last year or so. They deserve the invites and qualifier spots. Like even fantic didn't make it trough the qualifier, whixh showes how strong the region has become.
If someone should get less invites/qualifier spors its NA. Two spots are to much if you compare how strong the China/Sea/Eu quals are.
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On October 30 2016 16:43 TriCkster135 wrote:
Sea has improved so much as a region in the last year or so. They deserve the invites and qualifier spots. Like even fantic didn't make it trough the qualifier, whixh showes how strong the region has become.
If someone should get less invites/qualifier spors its NA. Two spots are to much if you compare how strong the China/Sea/Eu quals are.
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i'm sorry did a team through the NA qual spots get 2nd at TI or did I hallucinate that
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Yeah, a team of Euros sponsored by some NA got 2nd. Muricans are so funny, but it's not reddit here kid.
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On October 30 2016 17:26 Furikawari wrote:
Yeah, a team of Euros sponsored by some NA got 2nd. Muricans are so funny, but it's not reddit here kid.
They still are registered as NA team so giving more slots to EU region because those individual players have EU nationalities (which seemed to be the argument) is stupid.
NA is top heavy while EU as a region is more competitive (now) & more deep in terms of quality but that does not make it better than other regions.
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I don't care about the slots things, just about the DC argument used by NA fanboys. This invite/qualifier system is fucked up, argumenting around it is a waste of time, really.
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On October 30 2016 17:46 Furikawari wrote:
I don't care about the slots things, just about the DC argument used by NA fanboys. This invite/qualifier system is fucked up, argumenting around it is a waste of time, really.
Fair enough. But saying EU is better region because NA top team has EU nationals is inappropriate. Saying NA is best is also not right to be honest, because apart from top 3/4 teams they are shit.
Basically, you cannot compare regions based on just the player nationalities & it is not wrong to give equal qualifier slots for the main 4 regions (AM, EU, CN, SEA) whatever the quality/competition.
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On October 30 2016 17:26 Furikawari wrote:
Yeah, a team of Euros sponsored by some NA got 2nd. Muricans are so funny, but it's not reddit here kid.
not trying to say they're NA, but its not like they blew through NA quals in fact they only just barely made it in
You're underestimating the strength of the NA quals
just like the euros who got banged the fuck out this time too
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Seeing DC as a NA team is fine, but giving 4 Spots to the NA region is to much.
EU only got 3 spots. Sea got 4 and China 5. So if it would be equal spots it would be ok, but giving more spots to NA than EU is just unfair twords the eu teams. Also CIS has the biggest playerbase and probably zero teams in the major.
And because Elements and Prodota gaming with 200 ping and playing at 23 pm to 8 am did not win this qualifier does not mean EU is weak. Both teams would have not even qualified for EU qual.
Just make 4 spots per region than and keep it like that. So i'ts fair.
But NA always got the same amount if invites even if their teams(apart from EG) always finishied in the bottom half. And now one bad TI by EU teams and suddenly only 1! direct invite.
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