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OK Kuro, please now another solid draft. In terms of execution Liquid has come online in the KO stages and is on aniother level this round.
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On August 11 2016 07:15 Ufnal wrote:
Why such an early gg? O.o not Idra level, but wtf.
This wasnt a game they could turtle into turn around.
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On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 06:47 bagels21 wrote:On August 11 2016 06:45 Kuroeeah wrote:
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It doesn't matter, this TI is just so sloppy in general. The games look wild and some are even exciting but these teams are fucking up a lot, and every team made some baffling errors. I feel ALMOST sure that EHome is stronger than Wings and I'm still not sure if MVP is coin flipping their way to victory. the meta is such a way now that perfect TI3 style Alliance play is not possible Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses. The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks. Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do. These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was. TI5 CDEC disprove your statement. Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season". There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games. But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again. Secret pre-TI5 And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta. Which was my point... They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta. I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski. does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle secret got figured out and failed to adapt
They lost to ehome pretty handedly but I can't really remember the series. I just recall the IG and VP games where it wasn't really their draft or meta that really caused Secret to stumble. Ehome was also just the better team in retrospect within TI5.
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Newbee's early game is disastrous for whatever reason.
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On August 11 2016 07:16 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:16 Laserist wrote:
Ban illusion heroes against Newbee and win? They had atrocious laning phase so far. It's sand king, for fuck's sake, you can't win safelane against that+undying with melee core.
Ban SK then instead of oracle. Newbee stuck on their drafts it seems.Thought process: "We have to pick bat, ban oracle.."
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On August 11 2016 07:16 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:15 Ufnal wrote:
Why such an early gg? O.o not Idra level, but wtf. Because this game Liquid can actually push towers.
Fair enough.
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can liquid break the pattern , whoever win game 1 win series
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On August 11 2016 07:03 FFGenerations wrote:
ah you can burrowstrike through it. i dont think you can fs through it for some reason tho
Late to the party ( at work) but you can get skewered out of it by Magnus too. It has some of the weirdest interactions
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yeah no idea why they didn't ban sandking. They got completly outplayed by it game1 and essentially won because liquid had no wincondition other than "let's just kill 3-4 people outside of their base, hope they don't have buyback and then kill their base". And now again, just this time with a lineup that can actually shoot towers down
I won't complain though o/
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I love how they enable sound when they show newbee, assuming nobody understand what they said :D anyone has an idea?
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 06:47 bagels21 wrote:On August 11 2016 06:45 Kuroeeah wrote:
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It doesn't matter, this TI is just so sloppy in general. The games look wild and some are even exciting but these teams are fucking up a lot, and every team made some baffling errors. I feel ALMOST sure that EHome is stronger than Wings and I'm still not sure if MVP is coin flipping their way to victory. the meta is such a way now that perfect TI3 style Alliance play is not possible Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses. The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks. Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do. These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was. TI5 CDEC disprove your statement. Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season". There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games. But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again. Secret pre-TI5 And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta. Which was my point... They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta. I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski. does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle secret got figured out and failed to adapt
I don't remember anyone picking SD-Potm against Secret at TI5.
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On August 11 2016 07:18 Laserist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:16 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:16 Laserist wrote:
Ban illusion heroes against Newbee and win? They had atrocious laning phase so far. It's sand king, for fuck's sake, you can't win safelane against that+undying with melee core. Ban SK then instead of oracle. Newbee stuck on their drafts it seems.Thought process: "We have to pick bat, ban oracle.."
Yeah, pretty much this.
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On August 11 2016 07:18 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 06:47 bagels21 wrote:
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the meta is such a way now that perfect TI3 style Alliance play is not possible
Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses. The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks. Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do. These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was. TI5 CDEC disprove your statement. Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season". There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games. But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again. Secret pre-TI5 And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta. Which was my point... They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta. I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski. does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle secret got figured out and failed to adapt I don't remember anyone picking SD-Potm against Secret at TI5.
i remember RTZ want to play luna and feed
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I am actually impressed Liquid wasn't completely tilted after game 1.
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On August 11 2016 07:19 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:18 Laserist wrote:On August 11 2016 07:16 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:16 Laserist wrote:
Ban illusion heroes against Newbee and win? They had atrocious laning phase so far. It's sand king, for fuck's sake, you can't win safelane against that+undying with melee core. Ban SK then instead of oracle. Newbee stuck on their drafts it seems.Thought process: "We have to pick bat, ban oracle.." Yeah, pretty much this.
Jerax oracle is insane as well... and that leaves the whole getting huskar'd in the pool. But yeah I agree sandking has to be higher priority right now
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Why is there a camera running durin Fnatics team discussion? I don't think thats a good idea for the team. Kind of like having a camera crew in the locker room during half time, never happens, at least not during championships
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 11 2016 07:19 sunrazgriz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:18 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses.
The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks.
Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do.
These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was. TI5 CDEC disprove your statement. Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season". There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games. But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again. Secret pre-TI5 And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta. Which was my point... They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta. I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski. does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle secret got figured out and failed to adapt I don't remember anyone picking SD-Potm against Secret at TI5. i remember RTZ want to play luna and feed
Actually i remember Secret EHOME series.
First game they gave EHOME strongest pick you could think of in TI5 and then failed few fights.
Second game they... i don't remember second game, except Arteezy trying to rat it out.
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On August 11 2016 07:19 sunrazgriz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:18 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses.
The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks.
Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do.
These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was. TI5 CDEC disprove your statement. Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season". There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games. But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again. Secret pre-TI5 And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta. Which was my point... They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta. I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski. does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle secret got figured out and failed to adapt I don't remember anyone picking SD-Potm against Secret at TI5. i remember RTZ want to play luna and feed
That TI was not RTZ's fault ROFL
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EPT
