• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:37
CET 12:37
KST 20:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview11Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info3herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational14SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win1RSL Season 4 announced for March-April5Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win3Weekly Cups (Jan 12-18): herO, MaxPax, Solar win0BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Jan 26-Feb 1): herO, Clem, ByuN, Classic win StarCraft 2 Not at the Esports World Cup 2026 HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview Weekly Cups (Jan 19-25): Bunny, Trigger, MaxPax win Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 28 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) KSL Week 85 OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 510 Safety Violation Mutation # 509 Doomsday Report
Brood War
General
Can someone share very abbreviated BW cliffnotes? Liquipedia.net NEEDS editors for Brood War BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 Azhi's Colosseum - Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Let's Get Creative–Video Gam…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1571 users

[The International 6] Main Event - Day 3 - Page 75

Forum Index > Dota 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 73 74 75 76 77 169 Next
Sphaero
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 22:17:40
August 10 2016 22:16 GMT
#1481
OK Kuro, please now another solid draft. In terms of execution Liquid has come online in the KO stages and is on aniother level this round.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
August 10 2016 22:16 GMT
#1482
On August 11 2016 07:15 Ufnal wrote:
Why such an early gg? O.o not Idra level, but wtf.


This wasnt a game they could turtle into turn around.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 10 2016 22:17 GMT
#1483
On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 06:47 bagels21 wrote:
On August 11 2016 06:45 Kuroeeah wrote:
[quote]
It doesn't matter, this TI is just so sloppy in general. The games look wild and some are even exciting but these teams are fucking up a lot, and every team made some baffling errors. I feel ALMOST sure that EHome is stronger than Wings and I'm still not sure if MVP is coin flipping their way to victory.


the meta is such a way now that perfect TI3 style Alliance play is not possible

Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses.

The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks.

Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do.

These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was.

TI5 CDEC disprove your statement.

Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season".

There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games.

But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again.


Secret pre-TI5

And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta.

Which was my point...

They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta.

I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski.


does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle

secret got figured out and failed to adapt

They lost to ehome pretty handedly but I can't really remember the series. I just recall the IG and VP games where it wasn't really their draft or meta that really caused Secret to stumble. Ehome was also just the better team in retrospect within TI5.
yotsuna
Profile Joined June 2011
Hong Kong186 Posts
August 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#1484
Hao Spectre inc
faiza
Profile Joined June 2012
United States451 Posts
August 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#1485
Newbee's early game is disastrous for whatever reason.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
August 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#1486
On August 11 2016 07:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 07:16 Laserist wrote:
Ban illusion heroes against Newbee and win? They had atrocious laning phase so far.

It's sand king, for fuck's sake, you can't win safelane against that+undying with melee core.


Ban SK then instead of oracle. Newbee stuck on their drafts it seems.Thought process: "We have to pick bat, ban oracle.."
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Ufnal
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland1435 Posts
August 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#1487
On August 11 2016 07:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 07:15 Ufnal wrote:
Why such an early gg? O.o not Idra level, but wtf.

Because this game Liquid can actually push towers.


Fair enough.
OG | Secret | Liquid | Nigma | Alliance | VP | Fnatic | EG | T1 | LGD
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
August 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#1488
can liquid break the pattern , whoever win game 1 win series
6nnn
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
August 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#1489
On August 11 2016 07:03 FFGenerations wrote:
ah you can burrowstrike through it. i dont think you can fs through it for some reason tho

Late to the party ( at work) but you can get skewered out of it by Magnus too. It has some of the weirdest interactions
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 22:19:28
August 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#1490
yeah no idea why they didn't ban sandking. They got completly outplayed by it game1 and essentially won because liquid had no wincondition other than "let's just kill 3-4 people outside of their base, hope they don't have buyback and then kill their base". And now again, just this time with a lineup that can actually shoot towers down

I won't complain though o/
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
August 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#1491
I love how they enable sound when they show newbee, assuming nobody understand what they said :D anyone has an idea?
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 10 2016 22:18 GMT
#1492
On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 06:47 bagels21 wrote:
On August 11 2016 06:45 Kuroeeah wrote:
[quote]
It doesn't matter, this TI is just so sloppy in general. The games look wild and some are even exciting but these teams are fucking up a lot, and every team made some baffling errors. I feel ALMOST sure that EHome is stronger than Wings and I'm still not sure if MVP is coin flipping their way to victory.


the meta is such a way now that perfect TI3 style Alliance play is not possible

Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses.

The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks.

Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do.

These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was.

TI5 CDEC disprove your statement.

Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season".

There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games.

But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again.


Secret pre-TI5

And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta.

Which was my point...

They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta.

I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski.


does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle

secret got figured out and failed to adapt

I don't remember anyone picking SD-Potm against Secret at TI5.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 10 2016 22:19 GMT
#1493
On August 11 2016 07:18 Laserist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 07:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:16 Laserist wrote:
Ban illusion heroes against Newbee and win? They had atrocious laning phase so far.

It's sand king, for fuck's sake, you can't win safelane against that+undying with melee core.


Ban SK then instead of oracle. Newbee stuck on their drafts it seems.Thought process: "We have to pick bat, ban oracle.."

Yeah, pretty much this.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
August 10 2016 22:19 GMT
#1494
On August 11 2016 07:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 06:47 bagels21 wrote:
[quote]

the meta is such a way now that perfect TI3 style Alliance play is not possible

Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses.

The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks.

Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do.

These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was.

TI5 CDEC disprove your statement.

Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season".

There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games.

But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again.


Secret pre-TI5

And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta.

Which was my point...

They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta.

I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski.


does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle

secret got figured out and failed to adapt

I don't remember anyone picking SD-Potm against Secret at TI5.

i remember RTZ want to play luna and feed
6nnn
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
August 10 2016 22:19 GMT
#1495
I am actually impressed Liquid wasn't completely tilted after game 1.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-10 22:20:53
August 10 2016 22:20 GMT
#1496
On August 11 2016 07:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 07:18 Laserist wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:16 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:16 Laserist wrote:
Ban illusion heroes against Newbee and win? They had atrocious laning phase so far.

It's sand king, for fuck's sake, you can't win safelane against that+undying with melee core.


Ban SK then instead of oracle. Newbee stuck on their drafts it seems.Thought process: "We have to pick bat, ban oracle.."

Yeah, pretty much this.

Jerax oracle is insane as well... and that leaves the whole getting huskar'd in the pool. But yeah I agree sandking has to be higher priority right now
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 10 2016 22:20 GMT
#1497
European pride in a bo1!
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Daigoro
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany251 Posts
August 10 2016 22:21 GMT
#1498
Why is there a camera running durin Fnatics team discussion? I don't think thats a good idea for the team. Kind of like having a camera crew in the locker room during half time, never happens, at least not during championships
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 10 2016 22:21 GMT
#1499
On August 11 2016 07:19 sunrazgriz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 07:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
[quote]
Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses.

The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks.

Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do.

These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was.

TI5 CDEC disprove your statement.

Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season".

There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games.

But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again.


Secret pre-TI5

And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta.

Which was my point...

They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta.

I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski.


does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle

secret got figured out and failed to adapt

I don't remember anyone picking SD-Potm against Secret at TI5.

i remember RTZ want to play luna and feed

Actually i remember Secret EHOME series.

First game they gave EHOME strongest pick you could think of in TI5 and then failed few fights.

Second game they... i don't remember second game, except Arteezy trying to rat it out.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
August 10 2016 22:21 GMT
#1500
On August 11 2016 07:19 sunrazgriz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2016 07:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:
[quote]
Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses.

The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks.

Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do.

These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was.

TI5 CDEC disprove your statement.

Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season".

There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games.

But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again.


Secret pre-TI5

And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta.

Which was my point...

They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta.

I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski.


does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle

secret got figured out and failed to adapt

I don't remember anyone picking SD-Potm against Secret at TI5.

i remember RTZ want to play luna and feed

That TI was not RTZ's fault ROFL
Prev 1 73 74 75 76 77 169 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 23m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech136
Rex 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 5486
Calm 4662
Bisu 1793
Flash 1400
Horang2 1159
Shuttle 873
GuemChi 771
Hyuk 650
EffOrt 299
Stork 281
[ Show more ]
actioN 275
firebathero 260
BeSt 236
Mini 177
hero 149
Pusan 147
Aegong 147
Zeus 127
Sharp 113
ggaemo 110
ZerO 102
Snow 100
Soulkey 92
PianO 91
ToSsGirL 68
Mong 64
Yoon 43
Backho 42
Light 42
Killer 41
Free 41
IntoTheRainbow 40
Barracks 39
Sea.KH 27
Shinee 22
zelot 21
Hm[arnc] 16
soO 15
yabsab 15
Sacsri 14
Noble 14
910 13
Terrorterran 11
Shine 9
scan(afreeca) 9
SilentControl 9
ivOry 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
HiyA 7
Dota 2
singsing2399
XaKoH 494
XcaliburYe113
Fuzer 107
NeuroSwarm95
League of Legends
JimRising 408
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1391
zeus1009
shoxiejesuss1006
byalli548
allub292
edward87
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King89
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1139
B2W.Neo1033
crisheroes187
Pyrionflax171
Sick110
KnowMe44
ZerO(Twitch)12
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick804
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 14
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota239
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
23m
PiGosaur Cup
13h 23m
WardiTV Invitational
1d
Replay Cast
1d 12h
The PondCast
1d 22h
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RongYI Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-02
HSC XXVIII
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS4
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W7
Escore Tournament S1: W8
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.