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On August 11 2016 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:23 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Really though, remember i said Liquid probably have easiest LB they could ask for?
I stand by my words. They get Fnatic next.  that's the point. Newbee is the only thing that's difficult to beat until LB5 ( DC or loser out of Ehome/EG)
I still think MVP/Wings are pretty hard.
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On August 11 2016 07:25 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:22 uriel- wrote:
rotk and burning are really pessimistic about newbee's chances
say they just look like the weaker team after two games They've been the weaker team in both games, but it's going to come down to the draft. It always comes down to the draft.
I agree, drafting is too strong atm imo, I wish the balance would shift a bit more towards execution.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 11 2016 07:26 ASoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Really though, remember i said Liquid probably have easiest LB they could ask for?
I stand by my words. They get Fnatic next. that's the point. Newbee is the only thing that's difficult to beat until LB5 ( DC or loser out of Ehome/EG) I still think MVP/Wings are pretty hard.
MVP are not hard if you can draft-out their "run at you" strat.
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On August 11 2016 07:27 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:26 ASoo wrote:On August 11 2016 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Really though, remember i said Liquid probably have easiest LB they could ask for?
I stand by my words. They get Fnatic next. that's the point. Newbee is the only thing that's difficult to beat until LB5 ( DC or loser out of Ehome/EG) I still think MVP/Wings are pretty hard. MVP are not hard if you can draft-out their "run at you" strat.
You also have to out execute it.
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oh god wisp. This can get ugly 
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ok newbee wisp pls chuan gg already.
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On August 11 2016 07:27 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:26 ASoo wrote:On August 11 2016 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Really though, remember i said Liquid probably have easiest LB they could ask for?
I stand by my words. They get Fnatic next. that's the point. Newbee is the only thing that's difficult to beat until LB5 ( DC or loser out of Ehome/EG) I still think MVP/Wings are pretty hard. MVP are not hard if you can draft-out their "run at you" strat.
Yeah, but the teams that have thought they could do that and failed litter the lower placements at a lot of tournaments.
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SD MIRANA AGAIN U SRS NEWBEE
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On August 11 2016 07:27 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:26 ASoo wrote:On August 11 2016 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Really though, remember i said Liquid probably have easiest LB they could ask for?
I stand by my words. They get Fnatic next. that's the point. Newbee is the only thing that's difficult to beat until LB5 ( DC or loser out of Ehome/EG) I still think MVP/Wings are pretty hard. MVP are not hard if you can draft-out their "run at you" strat.
Wings aren't that good if they aren't the aggressor too.
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OH GOD LIQUID. BAN THE HUSKAR/DAZZLE. PLLLLLZ
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Newbee really overrated batrider imo.
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On August 11 2016 07:27 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:26 ASoo wrote:On August 11 2016 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Really though, remember i said Liquid probably have easiest LB they could ask for?
I stand by my words. They get Fnatic next. that's the point. Newbee is the only thing that's difficult to beat until LB5 ( DC or loser out of Ehome/EG) I still think MVP/Wings are pretty hard. MVP are not hard if you can draft-out their "run at you" strat.
That's what they said about game 1 and 3 against OG.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 11 2016 07:27 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:27 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:26 ASoo wrote:On August 11 2016 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Really though, remember i said Liquid probably have easiest LB they could ask for?
I stand by my words. They get Fnatic next. that's the point. Newbee is the only thing that's difficult to beat until LB5 ( DC or loser out of Ehome/EG) I still think MVP/Wings are pretty hard. MVP are not hard if you can draft-out their "run at you" strat. You also have to out execute it.
Ban PA, pick Razor.
Here, recipe to beating MVP's best strat straight from LanM.
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Vatican City State1573 Posts
bat vs SD again... already bad drafting from kaka
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 11 2016 07:29 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:27 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:26 ASoo wrote:On August 11 2016 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Really though, remember i said Liquid probably have easiest LB they could ask for?
I stand by my words. They get Fnatic next. that's the point. Newbee is the only thing that's difficult to beat until LB5 ( DC or loser out of Ehome/EG) I still think MVP/Wings are pretty hard. MVP are not hard if you can draft-out their "run at you" strat. That's what they said about game 1 and 3 against OG.
That's the point, you don't counter it, unless you are EHOME.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 11 2016 07:28 ASoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:27 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:26 ASoo wrote:On August 11 2016 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 11 2016 07:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Really though, remember i said Liquid probably have easiest LB they could ask for?
I stand by my words. They get Fnatic next. that's the point. Newbee is the only thing that's difficult to beat until LB5 ( DC or loser out of Ehome/EG) I still think MVP/Wings are pretty hard. MVP are not hard if you can draft-out their "run at you" strat. Yeah, but the teams that have thought they could do that and failed litter the lower placements at a lot of tournaments.
Well, EHOME has something to say.
As does every team that has beaten MVP in Shanghai and Manilla after they have won first round of UB.
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On August 11 2016 07:29 Darpa wrote:
OH GOD LIQUID. BAN THE HUSKAR/DAZZLE. PLLLLLZ
there you go
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On August 11 2016 07:18 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 07:14 Achaian wrote:On August 11 2016 07:12 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 11 2016 07:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 07:08 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:05 Zea! wrote:On August 11 2016 07:04 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 07:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 11 2016 06:58 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 11 2016 06:47 bagels21 wrote:
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the meta is such a way now that perfect TI3 style Alliance play is not possible
Here's a secret for people with the rose-tinted glasses. The larger the skill gap between teams, the better the winning team looks. Alliance around TI3 looked "perfect" because they had a clean, methodical, efficient style that 14/15 other teams had no idea how to deal with, which let them do everything they wanted to do. These days the skill level of the previous "dumpster" teams has risen immensely, and there is so competitive exposure to each team, that teams have to be far more adaptable and versatile than Alliance was. TI5 CDEC disprove your statement. Okay, should probably clarify "across an entire season". There are still plenty of one-tournament wonders that can dominate within a week and across 20ish games. But a team like Alliance that played the same style, more or less, across months all the way to TI and still dominate will likely never happen again. Secret pre-TI5 And then got crushed in TI5 because they didn't move with the meta. Which was my point... They got crushed in TI5 because they fell apart in TI5, not because they didn't keep up with meta. I agree, Secret played that meta really well, it's just the team fell apart and S4 missed all his ults on QoP that made them fail that year. This year's Secret lost because they devolved into becoming Mineski. does no one remember when secret got figured out in the upper bracket by a chinese team with SD-Mirana destroying zai's offlane bristle secret got figured out and failed to adapt I don't remember anyone picking SD-Potm against Secret at TI5.
I looked through TI5 and it must have been somewhere else. My bad.
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EPT
