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Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
June 03 2016 07:33 GMT
#801
The 4-12 score is very misleading btw. Na'Vi's cores are in very good shape and pushing against Na'Vi's lineup is only going to happen if they get caught out of position outside of their base with no buybacks or something. Phoenix and WD both can counter initiate against chrono / wyvern very well too as long as their positioning is good.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
June 03 2016 07:34 GMT
#802
Soo ermm things looking interesting at the moment
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
June 03 2016 07:35 GMT
#803
On June 03 2016 16:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 16:27 Vertical wrote:
dagger mirana is a thing now ?


Sumail made it a thing but it's super insanely gimmicky IMO. Guess its not quite as much of an all your eggs in one basket thing when its your offlaner potm instead of mid, but still.

mirana aghs is also good on mid or off if you have a solid 4 that will scale into a core, mirana might not scale to super late but Enchant definitely will
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 07:37:58
June 03 2016 07:37 GMT
#804
why's the commentator saying without invoker they have no other setup while there's void in the line up ?
and mirana is also a situational initiator, especially in pub
-Terran-
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
June 03 2016 07:38 GMT
#805
On June 03 2016 16:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 16:27 Vertical wrote:
dagger mirana is a thing now ?


Sumail made it a thing but it's super insanely gimmicky IMO. Guess its not quite as much of an all your eggs in one basket thing when its your offlaner potm instead of mid, but still.


It gives you a lot of room to do plays that look 'gimmicky' but are very low risk, high reward. Your starfall can do nearly 1k damage with the 2x2 drop, then an arrow on top of it and an extra 600 damage aoe, all the while leap keeps you reasonably safe to disengage afterwards or gives you more mobility to pursue. You're never really going to be a big right clicker anyway, but it gives you so much utility it's almost always worth it.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 03 2016 07:39 GMT
#806
On June 03 2016 16:35 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 16:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On June 03 2016 16:27 Vertical wrote:
dagger mirana is a thing now ?


Sumail made it a thing but it's super insanely gimmicky IMO. Guess its not quite as much of an all your eggs in one basket thing when its your offlaner potm instead of mid, but still.

mirana aghs is also good on mid or off if you have a solid 4 that will scale into a core, mirana might not scale to super late but Enchant definitely will


It's a decent "Turret Enchantress" game. Though they've got to get jump on a few heroes to really make it shine.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
June 03 2016 07:39 GMT
#807
Navi 4-0 group ez
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
June 03 2016 07:39 GMT
#808
On June 03 2016 16:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 16:27 Vertical wrote:
dagger mirana is a thing now ?


Sumail made it a thing but it's super insanely gimmicky IMO. Guess its not quite as much of an all your eggs in one basket thing when its your offlaner potm instead of mid, but still.

thx for the insight
about to follow up question "is it only work if its not mid"
but clear it up in one reply
-Terran-
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 07:40:21
June 03 2016 07:39 GMT
#809
On June 03 2016 16:37 Vertical wrote:
why's the commentator saying without invoker they have no other setup while there's void in the line up ?
and mirana is also a situational initiator, especially in pub


Void is often seen more as a follow up initiator than a straight up balls to the wall go in first kinda thing, especially if you don't buy a blink. The delay between time walk and chronosphere is significant, and time walk range isn't that great either especially with a hawk around so most teams can play around it. Also, chrono was on cd from the failed attempt to gank General earlier just there at Roshan.
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
June 03 2016 07:39 GMT
#810
On June 03 2016 16:37 Vertical wrote:
why's the commentator saying without invoker they have no other setup while there's void in the line up ?
and mirana is also a situational initiator, especially in pub

He was talking about the rosh fight where chrono was down.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
June 03 2016 07:42 GMT
#811
Na'Vi are BACK!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
June 03 2016 07:42 GMT
#812
navi got away with the greed, dc too immobile to handle this pressure now
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
June 03 2016 07:42 GMT
#813
Dendi is making tinker look super OP this game
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sweatbomb
Profile Joined September 2014
Sweden469 Posts
June 03 2016 07:42 GMT
#814
NaVi are about to go 4 - 0 in the groups. Who would have thought.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
June 03 2016 07:43 GMT
#815
God that bear did so much, roar away 2 heroes, block arrow for dendi
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 03 2016 07:43 GMT
#816
I've not been impressed with most Tinker drafts I've seen until this one by Na'Vi. 2 Tower-pushing Cores with Tinker makes a lot more sense of a Synergy than using Tinker has some 4-Protect-1 strategy. Which always just seems to drag the game 15+ minutes longer than it should take to end.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 07:44:18
June 03 2016 07:44 GMT
#817
On June 03 2016 16:42 sweatbomb wrote:
NaVi are about to go 4 - 0 in the groups. Who would have thought.


Meanwhile coL is well on track to go 0-4. Glorious justice at Manila Majors :-)
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
June 03 2016 07:46 GMT
#818
Dendooo is playing pretty well. I personally think Tinker Aghs is so flippin broken xd
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
June 03 2016 07:46 GMT
#819
DC actually managed to botch that? Wow.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
June 03 2016 07:46 GMT
#820
On June 03 2016 16:38 Salazarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 16:32 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On June 03 2016 16:27 Vertical wrote:
dagger mirana is a thing now ?


Sumail made it a thing but it's super insanely gimmicky IMO. Guess its not quite as much of an all your eggs in one basket thing when its your offlaner potm instead of mid, but still.


It gives you a lot of room to do plays that look 'gimmicky' but are very low risk, high reward. Your starfall can do nearly 1k damage with the 2x2 drop, then an arrow on top of it and an extra 600 damage aoe, all the while leap keeps you reasonably safe to disengage afterwards or gives you more mobility to pursue. You're never really going to be a big right clicker anyway, but it gives you so much utility it's almost always worth it.


Pro players have the reactions to smash your dick in the dirt instantly, so the risk is considerable. The reward is also not very high at all. It did a lot of damage to phoenix and didn't scratch anyone else. You're going to jump in, risk getting disabled and murdered for some damage that phoenix can just ult off if he needs to. That's 2 item slots, item slots are a huge investment. People don't take how valuable slots are seriously enough.

Every 8 seconds he can do something, then he's a ranged creep. In my book that isn't worth it at all IMO.
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