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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 14 2016 15:20 GMT
#4961
went from close to done in about 5 minutes
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 15:22:19
May 14 2016 15:21 GMT
#4962
people overrate miracle way too much. yeah he is good, but other players can do stuff like armlet toggling too. but its mr. 9000 mmr, so his toggling is obviously better lol. i mean it was only a lycan after him, so not that hard to toggle.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 15:25:18
May 14 2016 15:21 GMT
#4963
On May 15 2016 00:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2016 00:18 Logo wrote:
On May 15 2016 00:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 15 2016 00:15 hunter_x wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:56 lolfail9001 wrote:
It's really greedy by Liquid tbh, i think OG will roll them over.

really?

Yes, Liquid's pick was greedy in laning.

But OG did not capitalize on that.


That's the meta though. No one punishes lane greed very much anymore.

OG of all teams had the pick for that.


Yeah I know, is a shame.

I'd love to see a team go like visage and aggro tri and run all over greedy labes. Especially with familiar stun on Phoenix.
(This would fail horribly, but I still want to see it)
Logo
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
May 14 2016 15:24 GMT
#4964
dp owned
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
May 14 2016 15:25 GMT
#4965
On May 15 2016 00:21 hunter_x wrote:
people overrate miracle way too much. yeah he is good, but other players can do stuff like armlet toggling too. but its mr. 9000 mmr, so his toggling is obviously better lol. i mean it was only a lycan after him, so not that hard to toggle.


Dude we are joking when everyone praise every play he makes , BUT how can you say he is overrated ? the guy is a machine , listen to pro`s talk about him , jokes aside the guy is a beast of a player with a wide variety of heroes , he is anything but overrated.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 15:26:38
May 14 2016 15:26 GMT
#4966
On May 15 2016 00:21 hunter_x wrote:
people overrate miracle way too much. yeah he is good, but other players can do stuff like armlet toggling too. but its mr. 9000 mmr, so his toggling is obviously better lol. i mean it was only a lycan after him, so not that hard to toggle.


agreed, I've seen more impressive armlet toggling on Barnyyy's stream and 9000 matchmaking points he does not have

+ Show Spoiler +
why won't you stream again you filthy bastard


then again it is often very difficult to evaluate difficulty of ability use from a spectator point of view
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
May 14 2016 15:26 GMT
#4967
The hell, why does that random guy have a Mongolz T-shirt
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
May 14 2016 15:26 GMT
#4968
On May 15 2016 00:26 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2016 00:21 hunter_x wrote:
people overrate miracle way too much. yeah he is good, but other players can do stuff like armlet toggling too. but its mr. 9000 mmr, so his toggling is obviously better lol. i mean it was only a lycan after him, so not that hard to toggle.


agreed, I've seen more impressive armlet toggling on Barnyyy's stream and 9000 matchmaking points he does not have

+ Show Spoiler +
why won't you stream again you filthy bastard


then again it is often very difficult to evaluate difficulty of ability use from a spectator point of view

He died from a futanari overdose
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 15:28:35
May 14 2016 15:27 GMT
#4969
On May 15 2016 00:21 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2016 00:18 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 15 2016 00:18 Logo wrote:
On May 15 2016 00:17 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 15 2016 00:15 hunter_x wrote:
On May 14 2016 23:56 lolfail9001 wrote:
It's really greedy by Liquid tbh, i think OG will roll them over.

really?

Yes, Liquid's pick was greedy in laning.

But OG did not capitalize on that.


That's the meta though. No one punishes lane greed very much anymore.

OG of all teams had the pick for that.


Yeah I know, is a shame.

I'd love to see a team go like visage and aggro tri and run all over greedy labes. Especially with familiar stun on Phoenix.


That's an easy thing to say, but fact of the matter is OG did do their best to punish Liquid's laning, but in the process they left their Alch exposed and he died like 3 times (and was like 6th in networth at some point), and even with all the kills Liquid was farming fine.

It's not that hard to dodge aggression these days and punish the cores that are left exposed. All the top teams can sniff out smokes and ganks fine, and now there's the scan as well.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
May 14 2016 15:30 GMT
#4970
I dunno, OG were kinda screwed. Either they play defensive and just meet Liquid in the midgame with more farm and get rolled or try to pressure and abandon one of their cores.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
May 14 2016 15:32 GMT
#4971
o_O 19 min gg?

Liquid! Rolling over everyone during the knockout stage so far. Impressive.
passive quaranstream fan
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 14 2016 15:32 GMT
#4972
On May 15 2016 00:32 Artisreal wrote:
o_O 19 min gg?

Liquid! Rolling over everyone during the knockout stage so far. Impressive.


OG got rolled by the Meta.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 14 2016 15:33 GMT
#4973
On May 15 2016 00:32 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2016 00:32 Artisreal wrote:
o_O 19 min gg?

Liquid! Rolling over everyone during the knockout stage so far. Impressive.


OG got rolled by the Meta.

You mean themselves, right? I feel like adjusting to the meta is entirely on them.
kiss kiss fall in love
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 14 2016 15:34 GMT
#4974
I don't think that Jerax is super good on Phoenix anyway, it's just that Phoenix will do Phoenix things. If there's no ES/Tusk in the pool he can play whatever.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 15:35:20
May 14 2016 15:34 GMT
#4975
On May 15 2016 00:25 bluzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2016 00:21 hunter_x wrote:
people overrate miracle way too much. yeah he is good, but other players can do stuff like armlet toggling too. but its mr. 9000 mmr, so his toggling is obviously better lol. i mean it was only a lycan after him, so not that hard to toggle.


Dude we are joking when everyone praise every play he makes , BUT how can you say he is overrated ? the guy is a machine , listen to pro`s talk about him , jokes aside the guy is a beast of a player with a wide variety of heroes , he is anything but overrated.

overrated in the sense, that he is not really much more skilled then other top players at all. he just plays more pubs then the rest.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
May 14 2016 15:35 GMT
#4976
TL had tight margins, where they got away with literally no HP; KKY twice, and Matumbaman. TL played the more stable lineup, but they would have been utterly crushed, if those margins had turned the way as intended.
LiangHao
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
May 14 2016 15:38 GMT
#4977
On May 15 2016 00:35 Dracolich70 wrote:
TL had tight margins, where they got away with literally no HP; KKY twice, and Matumbaman. TL played the more stable lineup, but they would have been utterly crushed, if those margins had turned the way as intended.

that sounds like liquid was just lucky.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-14 15:41:34
May 14 2016 15:40 GMT
#4978
On May 15 2016 00:38 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2016 00:35 Dracolich70 wrote:
TL had tight margins, where they got away with literally no HP; KKY twice, and Matumbaman. TL played the more stable lineup, but they would have been utterly crushed, if those margins had turned the way as intended.

that sounds like liquid was just lucky.
Call it what you will, it is a combination of skill, luck and just...DotA. The line is sometimes thin, and OGs strat was based on thinlining, and they did almost do it, outplaying TL..
LiangHao
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 14 2016 15:40 GMT
#4979
I mean that happens in literally every game a couple of times
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
May 14 2016 15:40 GMT
#4980
On May 15 2016 00:34 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2016 00:25 bluzi wrote:
On May 15 2016 00:21 hunter_x wrote:
people overrate miracle way too much. yeah he is good, but other players can do stuff like armlet toggling too. but its mr. 9000 mmr, so his toggling is obviously better lol. i mean it was only a lycan after him, so not that hard to toggle.


Dude we are joking when everyone praise every play he makes , BUT how can you say he is overrated ? the guy is a machine , listen to pro`s talk about him , jokes aside the guy is a beast of a player with a wide variety of heroes , he is anything but overrated.

overrated in the sense, that he is not really much more skilled then other top players at all. he just plays more pubs then the rest.

i mean we can't really even know cuz his team only gives him rice heroes
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
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