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On May 09 2016 21:06 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 20:38 Racket wrote:On May 09 2016 20:36 opterown wrote:
3-0 so far at epicenter
15-0 at manila china qualifier
6-0 at h-cup 6
their last game dropped was against iG (game 1 of BO3 in h-cup 6 WB semis on april 22)
24 games
equal longest streak of all time in pro dota? i'm not sure I guess most of the streak will be looked down upon by the fans of "better" teams. what i'm a newbee fan but owning china is different from owning everybody outside china .. so far they've only won literally 1 series against a nonchinese
yeah but some of the chinese teams they beat have won western tourneys etc too
so transitive property etc right
haha i kid i know it's not so legit
but they're a good team
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NB has so much healing that not sure if Tinker's high ground defense even is good this game. And nodiggity don't have a lineup that is that good at actually fighting next to their base, their heroes are made for pickoffs.
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On May 09 2016 21:06 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 20:38 Racket wrote:On May 09 2016 20:36 opterown wrote:
3-0 so far at epicenter
15-0 at manila china qualifier
6-0 at h-cup 6
their last game dropped was against iG (game 1 of BO3 in h-cup 6 WB semis on april 22)
24 games
equal longest streak of all time in pro dota? i'm not sure I guess most of the streak will be looked down upon by the fans of "better" teams. what i'm a newbee fan but owning china is different from owning everybody outside china .. so far they've only won literally 1 series against a nonchinese
Don't take it to heart, I just pointed out that opteron could be happy about it where other may claim that streak means nothing. I was just adding perspective.
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On May 09 2016 21:01 Kraznaya wrote:
why did everyone think nodig had the draft advantage? wisp+healingward+bristle is a pretty disgusting combo, and is quite good vs march
The way this strategy works is that you want to win in the middle game and one of the best hero against that is on the other team. Newbee's strategy has a problem with late game when any of their support can die in one second.
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On May 09 2016 21:06 FreakyDroid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 21:01 Kraznaya wrote:
why did everyone think nodig had the draft advantage? wisp+healingward+bristle is a pretty disgusting combo, and is quite good vs march Because of BM vision and Tinker high ground defense, also Naix counters BB. There is a slight draft advantage if DiG can play the game they drafted for. But like I said, they are too low skilled compared to NB for that to even have any significance.
i don't agree at all that naix counters bristle
naix is susceptible to physical damage and bristle is all physical (and likewise jug is a soft counter for naix, since he has no way to protect himself from omni other htan infest)
dotabuff lists bristle as having a 1% matchup advantage vs naix, relative to their overall winrates
edit: bat is also a naix and tinker counter
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On May 09 2016 21:08 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 21:06 goody153 wrote:On May 09 2016 20:38 Racket wrote:On May 09 2016 20:36 opterown wrote:
3-0 so far at epicenter
15-0 at manila china qualifier
6-0 at h-cup 6
their last game dropped was against iG (game 1 of BO3 in h-cup 6 WB semis on april 22)
24 games
equal longest streak of all time in pro dota? i'm not sure I guess most of the streak will be looked down upon by the fans of "better" teams. what i'm a newbee fan but owning china is different from owning everybody outside china .. so far they've only won literally 1 series against a nonchinese yeah but some of the chinese teams they beat have won western tourneys etc too so transitive property etc right haha i kid i know it's not so legit but they're a good team
Yeah they're pretty good even if not proven as championship caliber yet(if they actually are). Well this newbee , the last few iterations not so much haha
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man this game is beyond over
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On May 09 2016 21:09 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 21:01 Kraznaya wrote:
why did everyone think nodig had the draft advantage? wisp+healingward+bristle is a pretty disgusting combo, and is quite good vs march The way this strategy works is that you want to win in the middle game and one of the best hero against that is on the other team. Newbee's strategy has a problem with late game when any of their support can die in one second.
healing ward push counters tinker not vice versa
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On May 09 2016 21:09 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 21:06 goody153 wrote:On May 09 2016 20:38 Racket wrote:On May 09 2016 20:36 opterown wrote:
3-0 so far at epicenter
15-0 at manila china qualifier
6-0 at h-cup 6
their last game dropped was against iG (game 1 of BO3 in h-cup 6 WB semis on april 22)
24 games
equal longest streak of all time in pro dota? i'm not sure I guess most of the streak will be looked down upon by the fans of "better" teams. what i'm a newbee fan but owning china is different from owning everybody outside china .. so far they've only won literally 1 series against a nonchinese Don't take it to heart, I just pointed out that opteron could be happy about it where other may claim that streak means nothing. I was just adding perspective.
damn it put a note at the end or something i'm so horrible at reading jokes or w/e .. i immediately get heated up
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On May 09 2016 21:11 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 21:09 Azarkon wrote:On May 09 2016 21:01 Kraznaya wrote:
why did everyone think nodig had the draft advantage? wisp+healingward+bristle is a pretty disgusting combo, and is quite good vs march The way this strategy works is that you want to win in the middle game and one of the best hero against that is on the other team. Newbee's strategy has a problem with late game when any of their support can die in one second. healing ward push counters tinker not vice versa
You can kill it.
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Сhina - 7k, West - 4k.
Can't wait seeing Newbee mopping the floor with Secret and EG.
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On May 09 2016 21:11 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 21:11 Kraznaya wrote:On May 09 2016 21:09 Azarkon wrote:On May 09 2016 21:01 Kraznaya wrote:
why did everyone think nodig had the draft advantage? wisp+healingward+bristle is a pretty disgusting combo, and is quite good vs march The way this strategy works is that you want to win in the middle game and one of the best hero against that is on the other team. Newbee's strategy has a problem with late game when any of their support can die in one second. healing ward push counters tinker not vice versa You can kill it.
you would have to position yourself horribly to kill it
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On May 09 2016 21:11 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 21:11 Kraznaya wrote:On May 09 2016 21:09 Azarkon wrote:On May 09 2016 21:01 Kraznaya wrote:
why did everyone think nodig had the draft advantage? wisp+healingward+bristle is a pretty disgusting combo, and is quite good vs march The way this strategy works is that you want to win in the middle game and one of the best hero against that is on the other team. Newbee's strategy has a problem with late game when any of their support can die in one second. healing ward push counters tinker not vice versa You can kill it.
By that token, you can just kill the tinker and there won't be any march.
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On May 09 2016 21:09 Kraznaya wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 21:06 FreakyDroid wrote:On May 09 2016 21:01 Kraznaya wrote:
why did everyone think nodig had the draft advantage? wisp+healingward+bristle is a pretty disgusting combo, and is quite good vs march Because of BM vision and Tinker high ground defense, also Naix counters BB. There is a slight draft advantage if DiG can play the game they drafted for. But like I said, they are too low skilled compared to NB for that to even have any significance. i don't agree at all that naix counters bristle naix is susceptible to physical damage and bristle is all physical (and likewise jug is a soft counter for naix, since he has no way to protect himself from omni other htan infest) dotabuff lists bristle as having a 1% matchup advantage vs naix, relative to their overall winrates
Naix is vulnerable to quick physical damage like jugg omnislash, but not slow dmg from bristle. So its quite the opposite of what you said.
On May 09 2016 21:09 Kraznaya wrote:
edit: bat is also a naix and tinker counter
Yes, but DiG can also setup Naix traps with Tinker and the others behind them, bait Bat and potential wisp relocates. But as I've been saying DiG are too low skilled.
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On May 09 2016 21:11 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 21:09 Racket wrote:On May 09 2016 21:06 goody153 wrote:On May 09 2016 20:38 Racket wrote:On May 09 2016 20:36 opterown wrote:
3-0 so far at epicenter
15-0 at manila china qualifier
6-0 at h-cup 6
their last game dropped was against iG (game 1 of BO3 in h-cup 6 WB semis on april 22)
24 games
equal longest streak of all time in pro dota? i'm not sure I guess most of the streak will be looked down upon by the fans of "better" teams. what i'm a newbee fan but owning china is different from owning everybody outside china .. so far they've only won literally 1 series against a nonchinese Don't take it to heart, I just pointed out that opteron could be happy about it where other may claim that streak means nothing. I was just adding perspective. damn it put a note at the end or something i'm so horrible at reading jokes or w/e .. i immediately get heated up
XD well, you are right, reading stuff is different from hearing it.
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DG's lineup is supposed to be able to compete with Newbee's at any point of the game, but they let Newbee took over the entire map. I doubt they can stop the brute force of Newbee now
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rofl ravage and it doesn't even matter
outdrafted and outplayed
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i'm sure diggity will come through lowers and still beat fnatic/col
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On May 09 2016 21:15 babysimba wrote:
DG's lineup is supposed to be able to compete with Newbee's at any point of the game, but they let Newbee took over the entire map. I doubt they can stop the brute force of Newbee now
i think people really underestimate how strong the jug-bristle-wisp trio is. i've never seen mvp lose with it
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