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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/thumb/1/1d/Manilamajor.jpg/800px-Manilamajor.jpg) Friday, May 06 9:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Manila_Major/2016/Main_Qualifiers/Europe ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vursH.png)  BTS Multi Stream | BTS 2 BTS 3 | BTS 4Casters & Hosts: MultiCast Hosts - Sheever | Kotl Guy | SirActionSlacks | Nahaz ODPixel | LD | Fogged | Drasykl ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2EGwEAn.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jgmCp.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/H5LzV.png) Click Me | ||
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Nyan
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TanGeng
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Oh yeah! | ||
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Sloke
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E: ok, ok, now it does | ||
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sweatbomb
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xaoteca
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On May 05 2016 18:20 sweatbomb wrote: Anyone know the proper bts stream for No Diggity match? https://www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit3 | ||
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On May 05 2016 18:20 sweatbomb wrote: Anyone know the proper bts stream for No Diggity match? https://www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit3 | ||
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uriel-
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Would be such an amazing story if Synd's team make it all the way (I mean they are a strong team with strong and established players but still) | ||
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Artisreal
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PERFECT | ||
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hfglgg
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crc
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Artisreal
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On May 05 2016 20:02 crc wrote: OD is a suitable hype substitute for Tobi :D Especially when the sound equipment ain't ready for his curve of ooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOooooooooooooooo btw. Noone Puck STILL TOP NETWORTH vs a Midas Invoker and Bots PL. Incredible. | ||
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juff
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On May 05 2016 19:49 Doraemon wrote: btw. anyone know the interaction between slark pounce and nightmare? does it work on someone who has been nightmared? or does it pounce straight through slark pounces through the nightmared unit during the second of invulnerability without leashing it. likewise for song of the siren. | ||
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Artisreal
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noone-gaming. | ||
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V1ctor
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pellejohnson
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GumBa
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lolfail9001
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EG lost to this team. | ||
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GumBa
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On May 05 2016 20:19 lolfail9001 wrote: Guys. EG lost to this team. Synderwin>PPD | ||
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Wintex
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malcram
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wims80
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Racket
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GumBa
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lolfail9001
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On May 05 2016 20:28 GumBa wrote: So win qualifier get picked up by Mouz bomb out of Manila get dropped by Mouz? Synderen and qojqva present as well. Checks out! | ||
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Akill0816
Germany90 Posts
I hope Dig can maintain their performance and go all the way through. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
More seriously, I do expect this to be a No Diggity vs Vega grand finals. | ||
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wims80
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
On May 05 2016 20:29 wims80 wrote: Are the finals going to be played tomorrow? Yes, 3 games a day. All qualifiers completed by tomorrow. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On May 05 2016 20:29 Taf the Ghost wrote: The qualifier King soldiers on. More seriously, I do expect this to be a No Diggity vs Vega grand finals. or a No Diggity vs Ad Finem grand finals resulting in collective CIS disbanding | ||
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Keardan
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On May 05 2016 20:37 StarVe wrote: or a No Diggity vs Ad Finem grand finals resulting in collective CIS disbanding Don't worry Navi got an invite. CIS lives. | ||
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Racket
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On May 05 2016 20:49 Keardan wrote: Nahaz's voice is ruined. I guess that's the result of talking too much? Wrong, too much math. | ||
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Artisreal
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mahrgell
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Faruko
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On May 05 2016 21:59 mahrgell wrote: The current meta is so purple/darkblue. Bring back red red is coming back in june, dont worry green will get rekt | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3942 Posts
On May 05 2016 22:01 Faruko wrote: red is coming back in june, dont worry green will get rekt Green is a bit like BW protoss. Not completely shit, having some hope periods... But when you look at the big picture over a longer time... It just underperforms. | ||
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Faruko
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Gear 3rd
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man i enjoy these AF guys more and more! Savage AF | ||
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GumBa
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Gear 3rd
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Seriously if these guys kick out DiG I wouldnt even be THAT mad | ||
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bluzi
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On May 05 2016 22:27 Akill0816 wrote: Empire really disappionting in the qualifier so far. Ad Finem is playing it well but i doubt that they will go pass vega. Empire looked a bit shaky in the group stage and are now getting hammered vs a team they normally beat. You are already predicting Vega getting pass Empire AND No Digity passing AF ? | ||
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Gear 3rd
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On May 05 2016 22:28 Faruko wrote: reminder that the boys in bts said this was an outdraft and that af had "not a good" draft overall Draskyl vs. World | ||
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DropBear
Australia4340 Posts
and lol at Draskyl | ||
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bluzi
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 Vega gonna run them over I hope :D | ||
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maximrobi
Hungary347 Posts
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goody153
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no diggity vs ad finem is not the winners bracket finals i expected | ||
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nojok
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nojok
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LemOn
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LemOn
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cool build :O makes sense with BH and vs legion let's watch | ||
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Akill0816
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LemOn
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But Antimage Boots Vanguard rush build was game-winning genius move | ||
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LemOn
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lose whole team just awesome, worked so well with CM aura too, without it it'd be hard to flash farm | ||
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Faruko
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
I expected the game to start at in 30min. fuck! | ||
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LemOn
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why'd he duel him with only 1 hero backup I'm worried this tilt will spill over to game 3 | ||
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LemOn
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LemOn
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EDIT: although he's not drinking from it, it's probably there to make him seem more human. Also where is everybody, one would think the stream'd have more than 30 viewers :O | ||
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Faruko
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ZeaL.
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Faruko
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but not even boots | ||
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GumBa
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Edit: ohh that's alot better | ||
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On May 06 2016 01:53 babysimba wrote: Literally going full retard. Solo chrono AM failed the first time because they don't have enough range dps. Proceed to do the same thing 5 mins later ya it's doing nothing now. Needed to chrono the supports | ||
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Sn0_Man
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he can't even double ult On May 06 2016 02:05 Dysisa wrote: I don't want either of these teams at Manila. we r aware of ur dig bias xd | ||
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turpentine
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lolfail9001
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Wineandbread
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Still a good range of 20-40 min games too though | ||
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Faruko
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Dysisa
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On May 06 2016 02:05 Sn0_Man wrote: wait why does mag have a refresher he can't even double ult we r aware of ur dig bias xd It's not my fault they have my boy Era on the team | ||
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turpentine
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malcram
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and now, it goes the other way. lol... much back and forth! | ||
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Yurie
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babysimba
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CIS dota | ||
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LennX
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Game of throws always better than game of farm imo | ||
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Yurie
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On May 06 2016 02:15 LennX wrote: At least this is a 80mins CIS game with more kills than minutes in game. If it was 2 Chinese teams, all t3 will still be standing, Roshan died 7 times and counting with a total combined of 10 kills maybe between them. Game of throws always better than game of farm imo Depends on which Chinese teams. There are some pretty aggressive ones as well. | ||
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turpentine
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Casters going on about vega's good start--laning doesn't matter anymore guys | ||
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caiovigg
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On May 06 2016 02:18 turpentine wrote: GG Casters going on about vega's good start--laning doesn't matter anymore guys If you play with your ass after it indeed the lane phase doesn't matter | ||
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maze.
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On May 06 2016 02:42 Procake wrote: How long is this, Jesus A full royal rumble has 30 entrants. | ||
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GumBa
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On May 06 2016 02:48 Firebolt145 wrote: Apparently LD tweeted that this is 40 minutes long Lmao | ||
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On May 06 2016 03:09 PhoenixVoid wrote: There's no North American Main Playoffs thread... yah blame lazy ass pandemona only put up like 11 threads smh where's our americas one dw i got u | ||
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On May 06 2016 03:06 Gear 3rd wrote: What was shown on stream and where can I find it? | ||
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LemOn
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this looks great for AF already! | ||
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LemOn
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wow | ||
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Racket
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LemOn
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AF should have lategame too I assume? EDIT: Ouch, yeah. DiG figured out it seems. Let's see if they can bounce back after this | ||
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sweatbomb
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sweatbomb
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LemOn
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Yapzor was completely caught off guard by that - obviously never faced that before. I think maybe EG/ fear on enigma could still make it work but not an inexperienced team like this | ||
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sweatbomb
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TanGeng
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Game is hard when you draft greedy and get map controlled. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Versuta talks about buying midas. Void proceeds to buy midas 38 mins in. lmao | ||
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TanGeng
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Why would you buy midas and go smoke fight | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 06 2016 20:12 TanGeng wrote: the rubber band Is a lie. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
Its actually just an aghs for Void. | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
good bane | ||
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Racket
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Edit: WTF is going on? Did they do something to the rubberband thingy again? | ||
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juff
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On May 06 2016 20:21 Racket wrote: what the... bane skadi? it's the ember's | ||
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Racket
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How? trackdota shows it on bane | ||
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juff
Singapore4659 Posts
ember dropped it to take aegis. bane is holding it for him | ||
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Oddball28
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it'd be over | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
god I hate 6.5 ravage disarm | ||
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hfglgg
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On May 06 2016 20:28 wims80 wrote: Dig's high ground defence is ridiculous and AFs high ground breach is terrible. game is going to crack down the c9 - scarryfaces record. | ||
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On May 06 2016 20:23 juff wrote: ember dropped it to take aegis. bane is holding it for him thanks | ||
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Nyan
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go highground fail. wait for bb cds | ||
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On May 06 2016 20:38 Nyan wrote: I love lategame dota. go highground fail. wait for bb cds way better than LoL late game | ||
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wims80
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CrazyBirdman
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On May 06 2016 20:37 lolfail9001 wrote: Khezu literally gets free items this game. Just over 10K of his networth. :D | ||
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bluzi
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
fuck yeah the game is falling apart. lovely darkseer ember particle party | ||
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juff
Singapore4659 Posts
greeks bailing out germans? what a bizarro game | ||
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lolfail9001
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I was disagreeing with Ver on his article. But then Valve decided that his article was a manual on how to design the game. Shit. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9234 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:43 bluzi wrote: So Ember is feeding rapiers while Alch feeds Aghs , nice to be a ND player today If this was facebook, I'd like that. Just came in for the last three highground defenses by DiG but I gues GGWP both. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:47 bluzi wrote: You might have heroes in this game ,alchs embers and what not , but still the KING OF DOTA is that MF late game refresher Invoker sits on top of the dota world , nothign can touch this hero And 4 man chrono by void is absolutely irrelevant, amirite /s? | ||
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Yurie
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On May 06 2016 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote: Listen. I was disagreeing with Ver on his article. But then Valve decided that his article was a manual on how to design the game. Shit. Buying divines and dropping them on ground to decrease gold bounty by lowering net worth. Also why giving aghs is so important on Alch. | ||
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GumBa
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bluzi
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On May 06 2016 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote: And 4 man chrono by void is absolutely irrelevant, amirite /s? Its not , but everytime i watch long dota games with invokers in it its the invoker teams that wins , if its not the chrono its something else that can set him up , but once he unleashes that entire screen is fire and everything dies , the hero is amazing still and you can see that after a short period in 6.87 that ppl thought he got nerfed enough he is back in bussiness | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:49 Yurie wrote: Buying divines and dropping them on ground to decrease gold bounty by lowering net worth. Also why giving aghs is so important on Alch. You miss the point, rubberband has little to actually do with this game. The intent of promoting turtling like that however does. Now, you may claim that it was expected when you draft no actual push and don't roll over your opponent. But damn. Also, Alch return to being banned every other game, thank you Wings Gaming! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote: Listen. I was disagreeing with Ver on his article. But then Valve decided that his article was a manual on how to design the game. Shit. LOL. Sometimes, that's just the way it works. | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote: Listen. I was disagreeing with Ver on his article. But then Valve decided that his article was a manual on how to design the game. Shit. This game was utterly stupid. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:48 lolfail9001 wrote: Listen. I was disagreeing with Ver on his article. But then Valve decided that his article was a manual on how to design the game. Shit. To be honest, this is one of the few sit in your base and lame them out with teamfight ultis games that wasn't really relying on comeback mechanics. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:51 Lachrymose wrote: To be honest, this is one of the few sit in your base and lame them out with teamfight ultis games that wasn't really relying on comeback mechanics. I still disagree with Ver on role of rubberband and rubberband indeed had little to do with this one, considering rapier gold swings alone were larger. But the underlying intent is now obvious and turtling like that is part of that intent. | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:52 lolfail9001 wrote: I still disagree with Ver on role of rubberband and rubberband indeed had little to do with this one, considering rapier gold swings alone were larger. But the underlying intent is now obvious and turtling like that is part of that intent. I still dont understand why Icefrog added random shit like +3 free armor for hg defense. I suppose TI4 final left deep wounds. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:54 Gevna wrote: I still dont understand why Icefrog added random shit like +3 free armor for hg defense. I suppose TI4 final left deep wounds. That one was added because pushes were popular last patch and Icefrog/Valve like their kneejerk. | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:54 Gevna wrote: I still dont understand why Icefrog added random shit like +3 free armor for hg defense. I suppose TI4 final left deep wounds. to compensate for moving the towers by an atom | ||
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Racket
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On May 06 2016 20:54 Gevna wrote: I still dont understand why Icefrog added random shit like +3 free armor for hg defense. I suppose TI4 final left deep wounds. I wonder what would have with all these team if the game went instantly to TI3 state. | ||
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
Its not like every game will be about one team turtling on highground. Imagine if AF had dk or gyro they could easily chip down every barack and tower. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
edit: if TI3 style split push was still viable. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
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Kreb
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Ember games are so predictably going long. And its a double edged sword. Its great when youre behind, but when youre ahead and enemy team camps their base, the lack of push becomes a weakness. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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On May 06 2016 21:18 Pandemona wrote: Erm why is Slark mid and TA solo safe xd pretty sure is because he can dispel sticky napalm, and batrider with firefly can destroy TA refraction | ||
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On May 06 2016 21:27 Faruko wrote: pretty sure is because he can dispel sticky napalm, and batrider with firefly can destroy TA refraction Ahh ok xd | ||
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It seems like AF have figured them out and Empire can just copy their drafts/responses | ||
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Synd's networth is so low he can feed all he wants now | ||
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I assume the plan was that she jungles, switches mid after bat gets dagger, and then goes to semi-carry utility? | ||
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On May 06 2016 21:48 Faruko wrote: GREECE 2004 ROFL However this is more enjoyable than that 2004 era of footy xd | ||
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Newbee already qualified, and Mineski about to do the same | ||
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On May 06 2016 22:01 goody153 wrote: So EU qualifier is now what's left and NA | ||
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On May 06 2016 21:49 Pandemona wrote: ROFL However this is more enjoyable than that 2004 era of footy xd hehehehe that was something else and to beat portugal at portugal was like wtf | ||
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On May 06 2016 22:05 Faruko wrote: hehehehe that was something else and to beat portugal at portugal was like wtf Ronaldo tears #NEVERFORGET | ||
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I was having sex with this girl last night and she was so hot i came in like 15 seconds. I was pretty embarrassed, but she leaned over to me and whispered "Don't worry, you still lasted longer than Synderen does in teamfights" lmao | ||
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On May 06 2016 22:25 GumBa wrote: A good ole qop vs puck yay Plot twist. Either way, holy crap, riki does work here. | ||
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On May 06 2016 22:33 lolfail9001 wrote: Plot twist. Either way, holy crap, riki does work here. Aw man :/ either like seeing those 2 in a match I lile em | ||
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On May 06 2016 22:40 Akill0816 wrote: Wow what happend to Dig? That performance today is by far worse than anything i saw from then in the qualifier. Nerves? Synd remembered his passion as a caster (jk) | ||
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theres a rape going over here https://www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit | ||
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On May 06 2016 22:49 Doraemon wrote: can someone explain to me why alc went mid Bounty runes | ||
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On May 06 2016 22:48 Moobutt wrote: 3-22 incoming what a jinxer | ||
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but worth losing the lane badly? they did this against vega puck and he get rekt early game | ||
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On May 06 2016 22:53 Doraemon wrote: but worth losing the lane badly? they did this against vega puck and he get rekt early game I guess the thought is that Alch's midlane opponent can win the lane, but he doesn't necessarily lose the lane because of Greed. | ||
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On May 06 2016 22:56 Logo wrote: Are the casters forgetting break? Won't Aghs doom disable Alch's regen? (Edit: Guess not, I suppose that make sense, it's not a passive). Don't think so, but wiki articles have been wrong in the past. | ||
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On May 06 2016 22:57 Faruko wrote: i can see the vac - lion aghs ulti combo if this goes late I have seen it only once. But it also was combined with freaking ET illusion IIRC | ||
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Nah it's right. Right after I posted that Alch got doomed and the regen kept going. | ||
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but wait commenator syndereN will be there! :o) | ||
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On May 06 2016 23:04 sweatbomb wrote: No Diggity are complete trash today. Wth happened! They got figured out when it really mattered. | ||
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your illusions do get regen in dota allstars | ||
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What's with Nahaz always carrying a cup? Is it to prevent getting hoarse or is it his accessory item like shithead slacks or wig OD and hat sheever? | ||
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On May 06 2016 23:12 Artisreal wrote: OD looks funny. What's with Nahaz always carrying a cup? Is it to prevent getting hoarse or is it his accessory item like shithead slacks or wig OD and hat sheever? It's an important part of making him look like a disapproving father. | ||
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EDIT: Also, if i won't see blademails against tinker in 5th game in a row, i'll trip. | ||
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On May 06 2016 23:44 Sn0_Man wrote: Love this early pipe from doom to secure their push vs tinker and neuter veno in fights I really hope Enigma buys a second Pipe next. | ||
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Oh boy. | ||
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On May 06 2016 23:53 lolfail9001 wrote: By the way, this could be a blackout. Oh boy. Empire bootcamping at blackout-prone locale? | ||
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There is no blackout-immune locale in CIS. | ||
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On May 06 2016 23:55 lolfail9001 wrote: There is no blackout-immune locale in CIS. I feel like No Diggity should definitely force admin to impose pause restrictions this game... Talk about an awful way to get snubbed from a major. | ||
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EDIT: Nevermind, it was misrepresenation of tweet, that claims a possibility. So it could be a blackout. Or not. But point remains: they are out for plenty of time, kinda shitty. | ||
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Holy crap. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:04 Provocateur wrote: God that power outage screwed Empire so hard. You could see the heroes afking for like 2-3 seconds before the DC too.. nice win for Diggity lol >_< Power outage had nothing to do with their rosh throw, however. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:05 Moobutt wrote: 15k gold, ~20k experience swing. Empire's only advantage is No Diggity has a tinker. That's not advantage, fat tinker is still as scary as ever. | ||
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What the hell is this game | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:05 lolfail9001 wrote: Power outage had nothing to do with their rosh throw, however. That's true, the first one was entirely on them but really unlucky to have the outage happened right afterwards :s | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:06 lolfail9001 wrote: That's not advantage, fat tinker is still as scary as ever. Fat tinker is much scarier these days with the suuuuper fast rearm | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:09 Sn0_Man wrote: Fat tinker is much scarier these days with the suuuuper fast rearm Well, this is still a tinker against disruptor and doom. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:06 lolfail9001 wrote: That's not advantage, fat tinker is still as scary as ever. I feel like Tinker gives a solid high ground defense and split push at this point. But he's still not fat enough to have enough team fight control to give No Diggity the team fight advantage. | ||
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This mirana is doing so much work with the invis and magic dmg. Especially the invis as that fight showed again. Maybe get some dusts? | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:11 PhoenixVoid wrote: Octarine Doom well this is a first. Octarine reduces midas+devour cds. Easy farm. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:11 Faruko wrote: tinker + aghanim veno can be quite deadly too its not even aghs | ||
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Sven helps alittle. | ||
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thats a 45s on a 16s nova, only 29s out of nova damage in theory. and faster plague ward + gale too but not sure its worth the price tho | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:20 Dysisa wrote: The lack of blademails on Empire makes me ANGRY Yeah. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:20 Dysisa wrote: The lack of blademails on Empire makes me ANGRY The only blademail that makes sense is for Disruptor. Every other Empire hero wants to have blink available. Edit: or otherwise is full slotted. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:22 wims80 wrote: Is having a Mirana carry going to be a problem for Empire since we're getting pretty late at this point, or is it OK since they have jug, doom and enigma? If he does replace midas and blink with 2 dps items, it will be alright. Ah, and aghs. | ||
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doesnt win the fight, but makesempire go back and dont kill 2 more heroes | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:21 Faruko wrote: veno COULD go for an octarine ? thats a 45s on a 16s nova, only 29s out of nova damage in theory. and faster plague ward + gale too but not sure its worth the price tho Would make him a hard target to take out incidentally in fights because of the spell vamp. So it'd be a good way to sort of get around Mirana's Aghs and things like Midnight pulse. I'm worried this is what the meta is going to be eventually. Like the map just quickly becomes somewhat meaningless and teams just bounce back and forth between sieging each other's high grounds while both teams draft high ground defense teams. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:26 Logo wrote: Would make him a hard target to take out incidentally in fights because of the spell vamp. So it'd be a good way to sort of get around Mirana's Aghs and things like Midnight pulse. I'm worried this is what the meta is going to be eventually. Like the map just quickly becomes somewhat meaningless and teams just bounce back and forth between sieging each other's high grounds while both teams draft high ground defense teams. sligthly back raxes/tower and cumback gold ends up in that | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:21 Moobutt wrote: The only blademail that makes sense is for Disruptor. Every other Empire hero wants to have blink available. Edit: or otherwise is full slotted. I totally get that they WANT blink available, but you don't always get what you want though when you're playing against march of the machines and Veno ulti. I feel at the very least Doom should be having one instead of like Octarine for instance. I think Enigma could probably squeeze one in too. | ||
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they could get teamwiped, or nearly wiped if he doesnt do that edit: they have no god strength for fight. and if they try and run, they are vs disruptor so at least one major target will die | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:30 ThePianoDentist wrote: Im pretty sure that was the correct play from yapzor. they could get teamwiped, or nearly wiped if he doesnt do that edit: they have no god strength for fight. and if they try and run, they are vs disruptor so at least one major target will die Yeah, I didn't think it was too bad, he created space for his cores to get away | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:30 Faruko wrote: fucking ramzes has no damage and still dies like in 3 sven hits Just saying: every carry in the game has no damage against satanic/ac sven and dies in 3 sven hits. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:28 Faruko wrote: sligthly back raxes/tower and cumback gold ends up in that Yep, and that's on top of a general speeding up of early progression so early towers stand no chance of staying around. | ||
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#showerthoughts | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:33 Sn0_Man wrote: wonder if sven aghs works with wall illusions #showerthoughts No. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:33 Sn0_Man wrote: wonder if sven aghs works with wall illusions #showerthoughts thats green damage. illusions doesn't get green damage or armor. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:36 Moobutt wrote: I think Empire with a Jugg buyback defend this or deter No Diggity from high grounding. Except if Jugg did not buyback in that fight, the Tinker and Veno would actually force Jugg buyback by pushing down top. Empire were done for at this point in game barring some ridiculous initiation from Doom every time. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:37 Akill0816 wrote: Wow nice comeback! Now pls one good laning stage Dig! I would love to see them in a rematch with AF. It's a throw by Empire, not comeback tbh. | ||
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Eh bit of both. ND came back with some nice teamfighting to make it possible for them to win. Empire then threw it the rest of the way. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:39 Logo wrote: Eh bit of both. ND came back with some nice teamfighting to make it possible for them to win. Empire then threw it the rest of the way. Empire broke the 3 5-man wipe rule of staying ahead. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:41 lolfail9001 wrote: PGG lays out how Empire threw it all. What'd he say? if you don't mind transcribing a bit | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:47 Moobutt wrote: What'd he say? if you don't mind transcribing a bit Recalling point by point. 1. Buying bad items (obvious one). 2. Going to rosh all clumped up instead of starving out DiG. 3. The second team wipe. 4. Weird ass fight at top (the one where Venge kill into teamwipe of Empire). 5. Gearing up for long game in general when they had considerably weaker late core for core. 6. Possibly pointing out that such loss can easily lead to a tilt TL;DR Empire played like kids and god what they deserved | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:51 lolfail9001 wrote: Recalling point by point. 1. Buying bad items (obvious one). 2. Going to rosh all clumped up instead of starving out DiG. 3. The second team wipe. 4. Weird ass fight at top (the one where Venge kill into teamwipe of Empire). 5. Gearing up for long game in general when they had considerably weaker late core for core. 6. Possibly pointing out that such loss can easily lead to a tilt TL;DR Empire played like kids and god what they deserved Thanks! Seems Empire could tilt... THANK GOD ND BAN THE DISRUPTOR!! | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:52 Moobutt wrote: THANK GOD ND BAN THE DISRUPTOR!! Haha, came here to post the same thing. | ||
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KingR's disruptor is completely worth first phase banning. I can't think of any scenarios or strategies where it's not first ban material | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:57 Dysisa wrote: Spectre for Empire? idk  Damn I'm good | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:58 lolfail9001 wrote: Analysts came to conclusion that the only hero that can carry EMpire now is w33 Meepo LMAO they are more like analyzers | ||
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They are more like trolls. | ||
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On May 07 2016 00:58 lolfail9001 wrote: Analysts came to conclusion that the only hero that can carry EMpire now is w33 Meepo LMAO The death of Meepo in competitive pains me. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:01 Dysisa wrote: Why do they always take SO LONG to switch to casters, I don't want to listen to these clowns going on and on and on about nothing Seems most Dota studios prefer the panel set up for draft commentary. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:03 Moobutt wrote: Seems most Dota studios prefer the panel set up for draft commentary. I'm fine with that, but I've never seen a tourney where they need this long to switch to casters after draft has ended though | ||
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I feel bad for empire :/ | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:06 Moobutt wrote: Holy shit Yapzor Mirana Pubbing with sing rubbed off  | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:05 Dysisa wrote: I'm fine with that, but I've never seen a tourney where they need this long to switch to casters after draft has ended though you are complaining when there is a seperate stream where you can watch everything including the draft by the commentators. this is on your end for being lazy. | ||
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EDIT: Last game of the bracket is bo5. Holy crap | ||
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For full 3-0 final sweep in qualifiers. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:24 Orome wrote: doesn't showing skype like that open yourself up to ddos stuff? I think that if you have it proxied correctly should be fine. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:26 GumBa wrote: Dig made a rep for having good team fights and they're fucking it up every time this game. this day* | ||
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silver edge kills spectre if they play it right. and there is backup scepter doom if they go for it. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:35 Logo wrote: That was really unlucky for Era to not get that pounce leash though it was right on the edge. Luck doesn't have anything to do with it though. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:37 Ramiz1989 wrote: Luck doesn't have anything to do with it though. Yeah of course, but when you're talking about a pounce being short by a couple of pixels it seemed reasonable for Era to go for it. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:41 ref4 wrote: pretty good run for Syn stack, did they qualify for any other LANS beside dreamleague? Yeah they're going to epicenter. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:41 ref4 wrote: pretty good run for Syn stack, did they qualify for any other LANS beside dreamleague? They're playing wildcard in Epicenter. | ||
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GGWP Empire. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:41 Akill0816 wrote: So now AF vs Empire. Should be a quite open affair after the performances of the day. AF would be a huge surprise compared to where they were before the qulifier. I would say Leciter kind of surprise to be honset | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:44 Nyan wrote: what? echo is total shit No way, in so many of these fights it would have given Slark a kill. Getting a 3 hit burst with Dark Pact is enough to kill a lot of supports right away instead of having them turn, disable, and survive (or force staff away). It's no good for a 6 slot or late game Slark, but if you're trying to win midgame fights against squishy targets or targets that will disable you it's a huge return on investment. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:47 Procake wrote: Valve inviting 12 teams was beyond stupid... All the borderline teams should have been in the qualifier. Yes, I agree with this so much. I honestly think there should only be like three or four invites. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:47 Procake wrote: Valve inviting 12 teams was beyond stupid... All the borderline teams should have been in the qualifier. I feel like 2 qualifier spots for EU and China would be better. But I really don't think America or SEA deserves two qualifier spots. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:47 Procake wrote: Valve inviting 12 teams was beyond stupid... All the borderline teams should have been in the qualifier. Top four to six of the previous Major is fine, but twelve is a commercial decision to drag in all the fan favorite teams so they're guaranteed an appearance, even if they don't deserve it or should have qualified. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:47 Procake wrote: Valve inviting 12 teams was beyond stupid... All the borderline teams should have been in the qualifier. Sadly, the only way to keep 10 team EU qualifier was 12 invites with Alliance/OG/Navi invites. | ||
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On May 07 2016 01:56 Moobutt wrote: Top 4 from last Major get invited, 2 more teams are invited based on non-major performance. 10 qualifier slots allotted based on a region's dominance/relevance. So 3 Europe, 3 China, 2 America, 2 SEA. How do you propose measuring relevance/dominance? | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:01 lolfail9001 wrote: How do you propose measuring relevance/dominance? finishs on international lans edit: On May 07 2016 01:54 PhoenixVoid wrote: Top four to six of the previous Major is fine, but twelve is a commercial decision to drag in all the fan favorite teams so they're guaranteed an appearance, even if they don't deserve it or should have qualified. i dont think its a commercial decision, valve doesnt really need that. its just pure laziness. with the short span between shanghai and manilla invites and that the tournaments that were played werent really stacked and had a lot of upcoming teams in it, the decision who to invite was a tiny bit harder. valve decided to invite anyone who will ever win anything even remotely international and just be done with it, no second thoughts wasted. i wonder what they do if there are two more tournament winners. | ||
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How exactly, once again? | ||
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ref4
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whoever wins the LANS closest to a Major gets an invite or someting | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 07 2016 02:06 ref4 wrote: whoever wins the LANS closest to a Major gets an invite or someting We talk about qualifier spot distribution, not invites. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:01 lolfail9001 wrote: How do you propose measuring relevance/dominance? So, I'm totally spitballing... Top 4 previous major + 2 performance invites non-related to majors. 10 left Give every region an automatic 1 qualifier slot. 6 slots left. Then, look at previous major results for relevance/dominance. More I think about it, the less I'm sure it would work. Each region would need a different format for the different amount of Qualifier spots. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:08 Moobutt wrote: So, I'm totally spitballing... Top 4 previous major + 2 performance invites non-related to majors. 10 left Give every region an automatic 1 qualifier slot. 6 slots left. Then, look at previous major results for relevance/dominance. More I think about it, the less I'm sure it would work. Each region would need a different format for the different amount of Qualifier spots. Once again, there is no precise version to measure relevance. The only viable one would be a wildcard, so something like top 4 + 2 performance + 2 qualifiers per region + 2 wildcards for 4 3rd places of qualifiers. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:08 Moobutt wrote: So, I'm totally spitballing... Top 4 previous major + 2 performance invites non-related to majors. 10 left Give every region an automatic 1 qualifier slot. 6 slots left. Then, look at previous major results for relevance/dominance. More I think about it, the less I'm sure it would work. Each region would need a different format for the different amount of Qualifier spots. It could work, but they'd need a system to decide how to count results for each region. As it is, they look at results from the last six months for their invite, which in my opinion is too long of a time, and it's why they had to invite this many teams. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:16 Azarkon wrote: It could work, but they'd need a system to decide how to count results for each region. As it is, they look at results from the last six months for their invite, which in my opinion is too large of a time, and it's why they had to invite this many teams. They had to invite this many teams this time around to avoid fucking up both EU qualifiers and main event. EHOME was a trade. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:13 lolfail9001 wrote: Once again, there is no precise version to measure relevance. The only viable one would be a wildcard, so something like top 4 + 2 performance + 2 qualifiers per region + 2 wildcards for 4 3rd places of qualifiers. That sounds like the best system I've heard proposed. Only issue is ping concerns for the wildcards. Valve could afford to fly out the teams for a LAN wild card. Round robin groups, double elim bracket. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:17 FreakyDroid wrote: Or they can simply add CIS as a separate region from Europe. There's is 0 sense that China and SEA are separate, but EU and CIS arent. There kinda is, China and SEA do play at different servers and are different. EU West is kinda hard to distinguish from Russian server however. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:18 Moobutt wrote: That sounds like the best system I've heard proposed. Only issue is ping concerns for the wildcards. Valve could afford to fly out the teams for a LAN wild card. Round robin groups, double elim bracket. Well yeah, LAN wildcards obviously. | ||
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i'd do it like the uefa does it for their european competitions. the better the teams of a certain region do in the competitions, the more teams will play internationally the next season. quick example: lets assume the wildcard matches are back for every major (because they have a purpose, i just wait for another ti2 debacle in that regard). at ti5 SEA would only get 2 qualifier spots, but because they had decent results at ti5 and the upcoming tournaments for frankfurt they get 1 invite and 1 qualifier spot. europe for failing pretty bad loses one invite. you can even do cool things with the direct qualification and wildcard matches for the qualifier. i would like such a system, because it makes the whole invitation process much easier to understand. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:20 TanGeng wrote: I'm mad that more people aren't mad about Slacks You can tell Nahaz doesn't appreciate the trolliness during serious discussion | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:18 lolfail9001 wrote: They had to invite this many teams this time around to avoid fucking up both EU qualifiers and main event. EHOME was a trade. They didn't. They could've done eight teams; we all thought they were going to do eight teams; and many of us already had an idea about the eight teams to invite. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:23 Azarkon wrote: They didn't. They could've done eight teams; we all thought they were going to do eight teams; and many of us already had an idea about the eight teams to invite. Secret, Liquid, EG, MVP seem obvious, the next 4 seem a little debatable. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:19 Orome wrote: LOL nahaz is actually mad Wait what, I was getting dinner did I miss some juicy drama? | ||
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Like it's a bit of a shame for teams like Empire, AF, or ND where one of them could easily take Na'vi or Alliance's slot, but at the same time ND gets the Synderella story and on NA side you at least get some extended eyeballs on teams like Dragneel, FDL, Shazam, etc. that otherwise would may have bombed out "early" in a more competitive qualifier and just gone by unnoticed. If they really wanted to though it'd be neat to have like 4 invite + a few teams from each region play in a small 2 or 4 team tournament where the losers get an added to main qualifiers and winners get a direct invite. So like you still pave the way for the qualifiers to showcase new/smaller teams, but you limit the direct invites a bit more. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:23 Azarkon wrote: They didn't. They could've done eight teams; we all thought they were going to do eight teams; and many of us already had an idea about the eight teams to invite. If they do eight teams, then they have to purposely: 1. Either Shit on Fnatic/complexity to avoid 4 SEA/4 NA teams at Manilla. 2. Or Put Alliance/OG/Navi into EU qualifier, and that means kicking Polarity (okay), PR (okay), one of VP/Vega/Empire/Spirit/Ad Finem/No Dig (TOTALLY NOT OKAY). | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:18 lolfail9001 wrote: There kinda is, China and SEA do play at different servers and are different. EU West is kinda hard to distinguish from Russian server however. Depends how you see it. For me, servers mean nothing. The only reason China is different from SEA isnt geographical or anything else, its the Chinese rules and how the country is governed. Thats the sole reason. The overall quality of SEA teams is below EU or CIS yet they have their own qualifier. And that imho isnt right or fair. | ||
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then he climbed up again once more with this major brawl which was funny gotta give him that but with THIS right now the graph went totally downhill. Seriously this guy is just a somewhat douchebag who seems to be there just present his memes. I have to side with Nahaz on this one... | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:29 FreakyDroid wrote: Depends how you see it. For me, servers mean nothing. The only reason China is different from SEA isnt geographical or anything else, its the Chinese rules and how the country is governed. Thats the sole reason. The overall quality of SEA teams is below EU or CIS yet they have their own qualifier. And that imho isnt right or fair. Servers do matter, for starters, even Korea->SEA ping is horrendous enough for MVP.P to play their online matches from Singapore. CIS usually does not have this problem with EU except Russia (starting from Ural) but that's mainly because Russia is too big for it's own good. On May 07 2016 02:30 Sn0_Man wrote: dont spirit suck i'm sure spirit suck Spirit kind of suck, but not that hard to kick them from qualifier invites. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:30 Sn0_Man wrote: dont spirit suck i'm sure spirit suck They took a game off of EG at WePlay I guess but idk how much that amounts to anymore | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:25 Moobutt wrote: Secret, Liquid, EG, MVP seem obvious, the next 4 seem a little debatable. It's not that hard. Don't invite: LGD, because what the fuck have they done? Swindlemelonzz's team, because their best result is a six at Shanghai Fnatic, same OG, because since the start of this year they have not got past third in a tournament Then you have eight teams, all of which have wins in recent tournaments, except Natus Vincere, which is there only because they're the best team from that region at the time of the invite. You can change Natus Vincere out for OG, even, in case you want to go back six months. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:32 Azarkon wrote: It's not that hard. Don't invite: LGD, because what the fuck have they done? Complexity, because their best result is a 6th place at Shanghai Fnatic, same as Complexity OG, because since the start of this year they have not got past 3rd place in a tournament Then you have eight teams, all of which have wins in recent tournaments, and Natus Vincere, which is there only because they're the best team from that region. You can change Natus Vincere out for OG, even, in case you want to go back six months. Just saying: complexity has top 4 at Dota Pit (and top 6 at Manilla only losing to winner) and Fnatic have top 4 at ESL Manilla only losing to winner of tournament. So no, coL has more claims to invite than Navi. As does Fnatic. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:34 lolfail9001 wrote: Just saying: complexity has top 4 at Dota Pit (and top 6 at Manilla only losing to winner) and Fnatic have top 4 at ESL Manilla only losing to winner of tournament. So no, coL has more claims to invite than Navi. As does Fnatic. I don't think there's any cause to look past third for invite. I'd only invite Natus Vincere, in any case, because of region. Had that not been the case, they could just invite OG for a "win" invite instead. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:36 Azarkon wrote: I don't think there's any reason to look past third for invite. I'd only invite Natus Vincere, in any case, because of region. Had that not been the case, they could just invite OG for a "win" invite instead. Both of these are single elim brackets, so both col and Fnatic share 3rd place. So, once again your point flies straight into trashcan. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:38 lolfail9001 wrote: Both of these are single elim brackets, so both col and Fnatic share 3rd place. So, once again your point flies straight into trashcan. For such tournaments, I wouldn't go past second. You don't just invite any team that manages to go past the group/weak team in a tournament. An invite should be for a team that has results that you can't argue with; in case you can't find such a team, then don't invite. | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:31 lolfail9001 wrote: Servers do matter, for starters, even Korea->SEA ping is horrendous enough for MVP.P to play their online matches from Singapore. CIS usually does not have this problem with EU except Russia (starting from Ural) but that's mainly because Russia is too big for it's own good. That's besides the point man. We're dividing regions because of how one country decides to govern and operate their internet. Its simply not fair that SEA+China are separate, but EU+CIS is one region yet its twice, perhaps even 3 times as big as China+SEA. | ||
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Not sure how bounty hunter can be this useless that hero's insane | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:42 FreakyDroid wrote: That's besides the point man. We're dividing regions because of how one country decides to govern and operate their internet. Its simply not fair that SEA+China are separate, but EU+CIS is one region yet its twice, perhaps even 3 times as big as China+SEA. If we saperate eu and cis into 2 regions this qualifier we at the most get 2 teams in EU qualifier ..and I don't think other open qualifier teams in eu region are much more worth inviting to eu qualifiers over sea and China qualifiers . | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:49 Faruko wrote: all this fight but AF is still really well in farm. this is not looking that great for empire IMO They have chrono and beastmaster to kite sven later tho | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:46 Kamisamanachi wrote: If we saperate eu and cis into 2 regions this qualifier we at the most get 2 teams in EU qualifier ..and I don't think other open qualifier teams are much more worth inviting to eu qualifiers over sea and China qualifiers . I doubt that, but lets assume what you're saying is true, then some teams who are arguably of equal caliber as SEA/China teams dont have the same chance to advance to majors because they are competing in a very large region. Right now a CIS and EU team are competing against eachother for the same slot. Do you think Mineski is better than any of these two teams? | ||
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On May 07 2016 02:54 FreakyDroid wrote: I doubt that, but lets assume what you're saying is true, then some teams who are arguably of equal caliber as SEA/China teams dont have the same chance to advance to majors because they are competing in a very large region. Right now a CIS and EU team are competing against eachother for the same slot. Do you think Mineski is better than any of these two teams? Might be and might not be..because we havent seen mineski against these 2 teams .. | ||
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Void doing ZERO DMG when Sven is magic immune. Omniknight where art thou? | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:04 Kamisamanachi wrote: Might be and might not be..because we havent seen mineski against these 2 teams .. Mineski won't get out of the Bo1 part of the lower bracket. | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:05 Artisreal wrote: I remember people hating on the Mirana Aghs in the early games. This tourney we've seen so many carry Miranas with Midas Aghs that its not even considered as new anymore. Funny. Void doing ZERO DMG when Sven is magic immune. Omniknight where art thou? Well, omni won't be hot against void with diffusal. Also, i still hate that midas aghs blink build, even though i have to concede it does ton of damage. EDIT: greedy attempt to save chrono | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:05 Artisreal wrote: I remember people hating on the Mirana Aghs in the early games. This tourney we've seen so many carry Miranas with Midas Aghs that its not even considered as new anymore. Funny. Void doing ZERO DMG when Sven is magic immune. Omniknight where art thou? Manta/DIffusal is a great build against the current popular carries, and needing BKB is not a benefit in this meta. | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:11 Sn0_Man wrote: There's really no justification for ember having 5 deaths unless his ping is like >100 somehow The guy likes to jump in aggressively. That tends to backfire against lion, void and magnetize. | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:12 Kamisamanachi wrote: Let's kite the all mighty sven 6.87 rip 5ms sven neutered jk hows sven ever supposed to hit things vs bm/void lol | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:12 lolfail9001 wrote: The guy likes to jump in aggressively. That tends to backfire against lion, void and magnetize. IMO he died twice to roar and once to chrono while farming/pushing top lane. If you have a remnant up and arnt positioned dumbly dodging both should be possible. btw. Again the Mirana invis is making this so freaking difficult for AF, similar of how DiG had huge problems finding the hidden enemies after loosing their gem. | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:16 Gear 3rd wrote: Man... if Empire doesnt deliver at the Major (given that theyll qualify) i will be mad... And I fear they wont (wouldnt) I don't know, I think AF is a good match for them. I wouldn't count it as a given that Empire wins this series even after winning game one. | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:19 MetalMercury wrote: I don't know, I think AF is a good match for them. I wouldn't count it as a given that Empire wins this series even after winning game one. oh dont get me wrong i dont either. But this feels like this typical Empire stuff. Catching a tailwind for a rather short period of time only to implode at any given major tournament. Still AF has anything it takes to qualify for this Major. And I hope they will, those guys deserve it! | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:22 Gear 3rd wrote: oh dont get me wrong i dont either. But this feels like this typical Empire stuff. Catching a tailwind for a rather short period of time only to implode at any given major tournament. Still AF has anything it takes to qualify for this Major. And I hope they will, those guys deserve it! Me too! I think Ssspartan is one of the most underrated players in Europe. | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:04 Kamisamanachi wrote: Might be and might not be..because we havent seen mineski against these 2 teams .. It was a rhetorical question which I assumed it would make my argument pretty clear. It doesnt matter if Mski is slightly better or worse than AF or Empire. I'd argue that both Empire and AF are better than Mski, but thats besides the point. What it boils down to is this: Mineski gets a chance to play on a Major because SEA has their own region which exists solely because of China's isolation, while one of these two teams (AF or Empire) wont have that chance. If SEA and China are treated as separate regions, then EU+CIS should be treated as separate regions too, and like I said previously, it makes 0 sense why that shouldn't be the case considering how big and competitive these two regions are. | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:27 FreakyDroid wrote: I agree, but NA qualifier is also SA. Of course that seems less stacked, considering the level of the teams in these two regions.It was a rhetorical question which I assumed it would make my argument pretty clear. It doesnt matter if Mski is slightly better or worse than AF or Empire. I'd argue that both Empire and AF are better than Mski, but thats besides the point. What it boils down to is this: Mineski gets a chance to play on a Major because SEA has their own region which exists solely because of China's isolation, while one of these two teams (AF or Empire) wont have that chance. If SEA and China are treated as separate regions, then EU+CIS should be treated as separate regions too, and like I said previously, it makes 0 sense why that shouldn't be the case considering how big and competitive these two regions are. | ||
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Talking about Dota 1 LC days (knight model never forget) | ||
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Artisreal
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On May 07 2016 03:24 MetalMercury wrote: Me too! I think Ssspartan is one of the most underrated players in Europe. QFT | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:51 Gear 3rd wrote: Didnt LC in the early days steal the dmg permanently instead of just getting some bonus dmg? in dota 1 yes, duel used to steal damage that was changed before LC ever got ported | ||
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Back and forth fights. This Major better have at least as entertaining games as the qualifyer! | ||
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On May 07 2016 03:45 Dracolich70 wrote: I agree, but NA qualifier is also SA. Of course that seems less stacked, considering the level of the teams in these two regions. Yeah I agree. If SA grows bigger, they should get their own region for majors. That way these underdeveloped regions will have their chance to compete against the best of the world and that will help them get better. | ||
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for empire Aghs disruptor! | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:10 MetalMercury wrote: I don't like OD's analysis there; Spectre lost around 1.5k networth there which is a huge blow to their chances to come back in this game. They got aghs disruptor in same fight, however. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:14 Faruko wrote: Scandal is so poor, i dont see this game getting easier for empire tho His only job is to disable slark at this point tbh. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:14 lolfail9001 wrote: His only job is to disable slark at this point tbh. The bone7 strat. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:18 malcram wrote: ad finem showing us how op BH + Spectre is One could say it is OP AF | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:19 nojok wrote: I'm still not convinced by all those agha mirana. "Hey team I'm farming so fast" "Oh it appears my hero is useless even with cs" | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:19 nojok wrote: I'm still not convinced by all those agha mirana. Well I think his item build is stupid, he made linken only to counter Descriptor sendback or Duel and he leaps in fights like he is Axe. | ||
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Logo
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The farming potential is part of that as you can be active & aggressive and still hit a really strong 2nd item timing to keep the window open. You can roll that advantage to a 6 slot mirana, but a 6 slot mirana is not impressive at all so... so what? | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 07 2016 04:27 Gear 3rd wrote: wow I would like to watch the replay in slow mo on that fight. seems like Slark took close to 0 dmg since he was fully healed after FP :O Shadow dance + false promise is **dirty** | ||
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Artisreal
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On May 07 2016 04:27 lolfail9001 wrote: Counter throws. Like kuroky said. It may not be a throw, but good play by the defending team. | ||
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so is a full duration aghs static storm, which I think hit slark more or less. But nothing else as it seems | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:28 Artisreal wrote: Like kuroky said. It may not be a throw, but good play by the defending team. When it's CIS team, it's always a throw, my man. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:28 Artisreal wrote: Like kuroky said. It may not be a throw, but good play by the defending team. Thank your for paraphrasing the right-hand of Dota 2 | ||
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lmfao | ||
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Aghs is disgusting | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:34 Gear 3rd wrote: Btw guys I dont know about you but looking at these qualifiers (every region more or less) made me think and I develop a gut feeling that this years TI will become some legendary tier tournament again. I have a good feeling about this years TI If the teams keep on getting better at this rate it might even end up being a stompfest in the sense of small mistakes being game loosing. Other than that I agree with you. e: btw. does oracle dispell glimpse? | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:34 Gear 3rd wrote: Btw guys I dont know about you but looking at these qualifiers (every region more or less) made me think and I develop a gut feeling that this years TI will become some legendary tier tournament again. I have a good feeling about this years TI Games are exciting But the level of play is a all time record low IMO | ||
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France15845 Posts
On May 07 2016 04:34 Gear 3rd wrote: Btw guys I dont know about you but looking at these qualifiers (every region more or less) made me think and I develop a gut feeling that this years TI will become some legendary tier tournament again. I have a good feeling about this years TI We have to wait for the meta to stabilise a bit more to judge. The patch is still fresh. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:37 Faruko wrote: Games are exciting But the level of play is a all time record low IMO I hope Universe comes out of his small slump and we get the glorious pre-TI5 level of play again, eh. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:37 Faruko wrote: Games are exciting But the level of play is a all time record low IMO I would say otherwise. From my perspective mistakes are getting punished harder. But of course we can find examples for both opinions. | ||
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SLARK ES DEAD AND A BKB ON DISRUPTOR! THIS GAME! | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
outfarming the enemy while they stay in base does nothing when you fail a highground push and lose more money than you farmed. I really enjoy lategame dota. but it is getting retarded. no team wants to push highground anymore. Enable buybacks 10s after deaths to give the team a short time to actually do some damage. | ||
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On the highground defense... they just need to cap comeback gold so it slowly stops being a factor as the game goes on. What's the point of comeback gold 45+ minutes in when both teams have had plenty of chances to take the lead and game? The only thing comeback gold should do is slightly equalize the early and mid game so a small lead there is not worth too much. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:41 Nyan wrote: highground dota never used to be like this. outfarming the enemy while they stay in base does nothing when you fail a highground push and lose more money than you farmed. I really enjoy lategame dota. but it is getting retarded. no team wants to push highground anymore. Enable buybacks 10s after deaths to give the team a short time to actually do some damage. B-B-B-but muh combacks! Dota games are so close now! you never know who will win! yah its pretty retarded | ||
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It's going into Empires direction | ||
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Pretty sure theres nothing like that in life tbh | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:44 spudde123 wrote: I mean it would help if teams would pick heroes that can hit buildings. I've been watching the NA game mostly so not sure what happened in high ground pushes but point still stands. this if your only tower hitting hero is a slark with butterfly, you are going to have a hard time. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
On May 07 2016 04:43 Sn0_Man wrote: B-B-B-but muh combacks! Dota games are so close now! you never know who will win! yah its pretty retarded This + new blademail + octarine affecting boots of travel CD | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:45 Faruko wrote: Its retarded because you are getting punished for being ahead Pretty sure theres nothing like that in life tbh Communism maybe :^) | ||
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Icefrog confirmed team red | ||
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edit: yeah, fighting without static storm and vac wall after the buyback. Mistakes were made | ||
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"The midgame was like 2 years ago" | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:49 Moobutt wrote: I really am starting to hate late game dota. That's okay, we hope that it's really just bad team dota and actual meta is 15 minute deathballs. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:49 Moobutt wrote: I really am starting to hate late game dota. Thanks icefrog, comeback gold so fun. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
Just saying: this is first patch with dota going so long. Since 6.82. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
I think they took that fight really poorly. Idk i guess they didn't have CD's | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
On May 07 2016 04:52 Comeh wrote: Couldn't ramzes have died (he died first, right?) bought back, bought refresher, re enter fight? I think they took that fight really poorly. Idk i guess they didn't have CD's He had used buyback and had it on cd by that point. This game nicely highlights the big point with lategame dota though: you need refreshers to have ults up after buyback, not for double ults in lategame. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:53 lolfail9001 wrote: He had used buyback and had it on cd by that point. oh, so it just came off cd? Idk about that play then HEH | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:53 Dracolich70 wrote: Tbh I think the itemization hurt Empire. IDK if they find a way to force BB w/o losing anyone, they win that game. I think it was a bad call that lost the game. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:51 Nyan wrote: I have no idea how to feel about games like this If I were a dedicated fan of one of the two teams I would've already had a heart attack. Late game dota seems really volatile and punishing right now. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:56 shizaep wrote: lategame dota has always been pretty stupid. It's shitty to see so much buildup, so many small advantages earned over 60 mins, and then ultimately everything is determined by one big fight, which can be determined by one big initiation or one mistake idk it tends to be like a series of fights that determines lategame, and is more about strategy involving buybacks then anything. Kinda disagree with your assessment. | ||
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On May 07 2016 04:56 Artisreal wrote: If I were a dedicated fan of one of the two teams I would've already had a heart attack. Late game dota seems really volatile and punishing right now. Its always been like this man, except when buyback didnt have cooldown, but that was ages ago. The gold swings in late game arent important as the casters paint them to be. On May 07 2016 04:57 Comeh wrote: idk it tends to be like a series of fights that determines lategame, and is more about strategy involving buybacks then anything. Kinda disagree with your assessment. Yeah, I agree. | ||
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On May 07 2016 05:00 Gear 3rd wrote: WOW. Just WOW. I take 2GD every fucking day above this bullshit panel. Are these guys serious? That slacks dude is just super annoying :d | ||
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Sn0_Man
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excepting maybe a few redeye hosted panels | ||
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trifecta
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On May 07 2016 04:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: Late game Dota across the qualifiers feels decided more by whoever has buybacks than actual outplaying. I get that late game is a tense battle with every move hanging by a thread, but most of the games end far too anti-climactically to really enjoy them. It's strange to see teams that should be ahead terrified to push high ground because once they slip up a team fight the advantage swings heavily on the other side. There's comebacks, and there's forcing a comeback through game mechanics. it was like that before comeback mechanics. I dislike how this unsubstantiated narrative has become a dominant meme. | ||
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On May 07 2016 05:02 trifecta wrote: it was like that before comeback mechanics. I dislike how this unsubstantiated narrative has become a dominant meme. yep. around ti2 the chinese teams drafted lineups with going high ground in mind and played extremely safe when they werent a billion years ahead. pushs without aegis and ~15k gold lead were unthinkable, especially late game. not fucking up late game has been a thing in dota for years. | ||
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On May 07 2016 05:14 Nyan wrote: why cry. watch bts3 and listen to od&dras Youre totally right dude. They are turning the cringeness into a new meme. I am lost against this kind of power! | ||
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On May 07 2016 05:20 eonrulz wrote: So, are they still playing? On my phone on the tram after a meal out and several beers, so not really sure what's happening right now. Empire are doing well, I hope? Its 1-1 but the early early game of game 3 looks even with a slight advantage for AF imo due to ES rotations | ||
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On May 07 2016 05:25 plasmidghost wrote: Hopefully the Greeks win so they can use their Manila winnings to pay denbts They would need quite a few decades for that. | ||
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On May 07 2016 05:31 hfglgg wrote: stone gaze is a spell i think. With perfect anti synergy with rest of dusa's team. | ||
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hfglgg
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On May 07 2016 05:32 lolfail9001 wrote: With perfect anti synergy with rest of dusa's team. would help just to stay alive here. | ||
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lolfail9001
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Nuking yourself for 600 EHP helps stay alive? Didn't know. | ||
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hfglgg
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On May 07 2016 05:34 lolfail9001 wrote: Nuking yourself for 600 EHP helps stay alive? Didn't know. you press r and just run away with the rest of your team, would have helped them in the first fight. 0-4-4-0 build doesnt seem like the best one to me. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 07 2016 05:36 hfglgg wrote: you press r and just run away with the rest of your team, would have helped them in the first fight. 0-4-4-0 build doesnt seem like the best one to me. It would result in same outcome actually. EDIT: Mjollnir value | ||
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Standard. | ||
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Dracolich70
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Think they need to think outside their 5 man early-mid game eccentricity. | ||
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On May 07 2016 05:50 nojok wrote: They were like 13-9 with an early game lineup. That is not dominate enough to snowball, which was their strategy.AF hit their timings right this game but had no way to deal with dusa. It was fun to see them trying to bypass her to go for the other heroes but jumping into disruptor was not the play. | ||
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On May 07 2016 05:55 eonrulz wrote: So... Empire won? :D As you can see now, yes | ||
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On May 07 2016 06:21 Mafe wrote: Vanguard antimage? *shudders* It's the new build. Everyone does it. And you just saw why. | ||
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User was warned for using Twitch Emotes | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 07 2016 06:23 Kipsate wrote: vanguard opie op And i can't even report you. Damn. EDIT: Oh boy, these teams are tired. | ||
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Nyan
Germany1931 Posts
Yeah. public abuse. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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no problem the popo are always vigilant | ||
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I did not catch why Darkseer was so low on mana? Did he use his combo and spam his team with ion Shells? | ||
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This one was really impressive by AF. They overcame a bad early game and did finish the game when they had the chance. I hope they can bring it one more time. | ||
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Macedonia2616 Posts
On May 07 2016 06:49 Akill0816 wrote: We got our all deciding final game This one was really impressive by AF. They overcame a bad early game and did finish the game when they had the chance. I hope they can bring it one more time. I think that was more Empire's fault for dodging the last Rosh fight. The only way they could bring AM down was to unleash all ulties on him. With aegis, even if they do they still loose the fight because AM will just respawn and they would have nothing to stop him with. So imo their only option was to hope for a big rosh fight, which wasnt such a tall order considering how strong DS and Disruptor are there. | ||
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Zeelah
Ireland172 Posts
I don't like how only 1 team can make it out of the qualifiers,it seems quite unfair. | ||
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MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
Let's get some underdogs at the Manila Major. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
EDIT: Also, AF with Empire draft lmao | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 07 2016 07:31 Faruko wrote: these 5 man ganks to kill a single spirit breaker are so bad IMO Track makes them worth | ||
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
How many times have empire went to TI events and failed miserably? Was really hoping for the underdogs AF to go pull through | ||
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lolfail9001
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On May 07 2016 07:53 pellejohnson wrote: *YAWN* How many times have empire went to TI events and failed miserably? Was really hoping for the underdogs AF to go pull through Good thing this is not TI qualifier then. Also, only 2 times. | ||
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Spirit Breaker looked so heartbroken at the ending screen after his Ancient exploded | ||
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Feel bad for AF given the invites. | ||
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On May 07 2016 07:02 Zeelah wrote: I want both these teams to go to the major so much I don't like how only 1 team can make it out of the qualifiers,it seems quite unfair.Ikr! The qualifier runnerups should have taken the spots of 4 invites. | ||
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Germany90 Posts
The one thing that seperates Empire from the Dig and AF was their versatility. They really can switch up their heroes. The european qualifiers were awfully close at all. I still don't like the double elimination system especially on brackets with only 4 teams. It's kind of funny that AF and DiG have won the majority of their games vs empire but could not pull of the decisive win. Anyway i hope that Empire will have a strong showing at the Major. I think they should be competetive against most of the invited teams. | ||
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I honestly think this was the time, where Valve should have invited less, rather than more. | ||
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On May 07 2016 13:51 Dracolich70 wrote: I don't think it is given a lot of the direct invites would qualify. They play once in a blue moon, while many of the qualifier teams have played more regularly. I honestly think this was the time, where Valve should have invited less, rather than more. Agreed , the minimum they should do is a wildcard for the 2nd places in the qualifiers , at least let those team enjoy the event and have a chance to play in it. | ||
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Denmark3820 Posts
On May 07 2016 14:25 bluzi wrote: Valve have created an environment, which pardon the French is a bunch of fat slobs, that are afraid to play tournaments, because doing poorly will affect their status, and they don't have to, because they earn a lot by showing up being invited, and live on the fact that they either face teams in a similar shape, or teams that they have a bundle of source material concerning.Agreed , the minimum they should do is a wildcard for the 2nd places in the qualifiers , at least let those team enjoy the event and have a chance to play in it. There is a good chance a lot of these directly invited teams would stumble, if they had to qualify, given their shape. | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On May 07 2016 14:25 bluzi wrote: Agreed , the minimum they should do is a wildcard for the 2nd places in the qualifiers , at least let those team enjoy the event and have a chance to play in it. i never understood why valve got rid of the wildcard matches. they solve a purpose in that they keep replacement teams who are in shape and have trained to the best of their abilities and in case of a team not being able to participate on short notice (i.e. because they smoke on a plane) there are good teams available. it honestly feels like valve deliberately wants to make mistakes twice just for the sake of it. | ||
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