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blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
May 06 2016 19:51 GMT
#701
On May 07 2016 04:49 Moobutt wrote:
I really am starting to hate late game dota.


Thanks icefrog, comeback gold so fun.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
May 06 2016 19:52 GMT
#702
On May 07 2016 04:51 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 04:49 Moobutt wrote:
I really am starting to hate late game dota.


Thanks icefrog, comeback gold so fun.

Just saying: this is first patch with dota going so long.

Since 6.82.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 06 2016 19:52 GMT
#703
Couldn't ramzes have died (he died first, right?) bought back, bought refresher, re enter fight?

I think they took that fight really poorly. Idk i guess they didn't have CD's
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-06 19:53:32
May 06 2016 19:53 GMT
#704
On May 07 2016 04:52 Comeh wrote:
Couldn't ramzes have died (he died first, right?) bought back, bought refresher, re enter fight?

I think they took that fight really poorly. Idk i guess they didn't have CD's

He had used buyback and had it on cd by that point.

This game nicely highlights the big point with lategame dota though: you need refreshers to have ults up after buyback, not for double ults in lategame.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 06 2016 19:53 GMT
#705
ODP's cup of tea and biscuits
Moderator我们是个踏实的赞助商模式俱乐部
MetalMercury
Profile Joined January 2015
United States1161 Posts
May 06 2016 19:53 GMT
#706
I mean, you're all complaining about the late game dota here but doesn't this really give the better playing team as far as teamwork and coordination goes the chance to actually win the game no matter how far behind they were? Remember that AF should have won this game like 40 minutes ago.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 06 2016 19:53 GMT
#707
On May 07 2016 04:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 04:52 Comeh wrote:
Couldn't ramzes have died (he died first, right?) bought back, bought refresher, re enter fight?

I think they took that fight really poorly. Idk i guess they didn't have CD's

He had used buyback and had it on cd by that point.

oh, so it just came off cd?

Idk about that play then HEH
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Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
May 06 2016 19:53 GMT
#708
Tbh I think the itemization hurt Empire.
LiangHao
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
May 06 2016 19:53 GMT
#709
Heisenberg as a caster? ODP's shirt fade into the green burgundy screen? Guess they are having a bit too much fun with the production.
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
May 06 2016 19:54 GMT
#710
Im glad that AF won this because if they didn't after such a dominating early game, they would have probably tilted for the rest of the series.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 06 2016 19:54 GMT
#711
On May 07 2016 04:53 Dracolich70 wrote:
Tbh I think the itemization hurt Empire.

IDK if they find a way to force BB w/o losing anyone, they win that game. I think it was a bad call that lost the game.
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shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
May 06 2016 19:56 GMT
#712
lategame dota has always been pretty stupid. It's shitty to see so much buildup, so many small advantages earned over 60 mins, and then ultimately everything is determined by one big fight, which can be determined by one big initiation or one mistake
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
May 06 2016 19:56 GMT
#713
On May 07 2016 04:51 Nyan wrote:
I have no idea how to feel about games like this

If I were a dedicated fan of one of the two teams I would've already had a heart attack.
Late game dota seems really volatile and punishing right now.
passive quaranstream fan
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 06 2016 19:57 GMT
#714
On May 07 2016 04:56 shizaep wrote:
lategame dota has always been pretty stupid. It's shitty to see so much buildup, so many small advantages earned over 60 mins, and then ultimately everything is determined by one big fight, which can be determined by one big initiation or one mistake

idk it tends to be like a series of fights that determines lategame, and is more about strategy involving buybacks then anything.

Kinda disagree with your assessment.
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FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-06 19:59:59
May 06 2016 19:59 GMT
#715
On May 07 2016 04:56 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2016 04:51 Nyan wrote:
I have no idea how to feel about games like this

If I were a dedicated fan of one of the two teams I would've already had a heart attack.
Late game dota seems really volatile and punishing right now.


Its always been like this man, except when buyback didnt have cooldown, but that was ages ago. The gold swings in late game arent important as the casters paint them to be.

On May 07 2016 04:57 Comeh wrote:
idk it tends to be like a series of fights that determines lategame, and is more about strategy involving buybacks then anything.

Kinda disagree with your assessment.


Yeah, I agree.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32748 Posts
May 06 2016 19:59 GMT
#716
Late game Dota across the qualifiers feels decided more by whoever has buybacks than actual outplaying. I get that late game is a tense battle with every move hanging by a thread, but most of the games end far too anti-climactically to really enjoy them. It's strange to see teams that should be ahead terrified to push high ground because once they slip up a team fight the advantage swings heavily on the other side. There's comebacks, and there's forcing a comeback through game mechanics.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Gear 3rd
Profile Joined July 2011
1244 Posts
May 06 2016 20:00 GMT
#717
WOW. Just WOW. I take 2GD every fucking day above this bullshit panel. Are these guys serious?
EXTERMINATE!
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
May 06 2016 20:01 GMT
#718
On May 07 2016 05:00 Gear 3rd wrote:
WOW. Just WOW. I take 2GD every fucking day above this bullshit panel. Are these guys serious?


That slacks dude is just super annoying :d
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
May 06 2016 20:01 GMT
#719
I mean 2gd is top tier of course you'd take him over pretty much everybody
excepting maybe a few redeye hosted panels
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-06 20:03:55
May 06 2016 20:02 GMT
#720
On May 07 2016 04:59 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Late game Dota across the qualifiers feels decided more by whoever has buybacks than actual outplaying. I get that late game is a tense battle with every move hanging by a thread, but most of the games end far too anti-climactically to really enjoy them. It's strange to see teams that should be ahead terrified to push high ground because once they slip up a team fight the advantage swings heavily on the other side. There's comebacks, and there's forcing a comeback through game mechanics.


it was like that before comeback mechanics. I dislike how this unsubstantiated narrative has become a dominant meme.
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