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uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
April 22 2016 08:45 GMT
#521
On April 22 2016 17:44 StarVe wrote:
This is what Ramzes can do with a keyboard, guys.


The Chinese knew what they were doing, all along.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
April 22 2016 08:45 GMT
#522
On April 22 2016 17:44 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 17:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On April 22 2016 17:41 Alpino wrote:
On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote:
It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players.


We'll know if it was a mistake after TI.

Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila.


Secret is locked for Manila and TI6.

You talk like major roster change didn't happen, huh.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 08:48:04
April 22 2016 08:46 GMT
#523
Puppey does not run the team the way PPD does. He has a different way. Thus I wonder whether Universe will ever be able to play up to his skill. I hope he is. Don't want it to be a waste of everyone's time.
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
April 22 2016 08:46 GMT
#524
Getting too old for this..
Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
April 22 2016 08:46 GMT
#525
On April 22 2016 17:44 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 17:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On April 22 2016 17:41 Alpino wrote:
On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote:
It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players.


We'll know if it was a mistake after TI.

Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila.


Secret is locked for Manila and TI6.


U didn't get what he was saying . he said secret might not get direct invite to TI if they don't perform good at Manila major ..it isn't related to they locked in or not
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
April 22 2016 08:46 GMT
#526
On April 22 2016 17:44 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 17:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On April 22 2016 17:41 Alpino wrote:
On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote:
It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players.


We'll know if it was a mistake after TI.

Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila.


Secret is locked for Manila and TI6.


How? They just changed rosters (2 major changes too), they need to show they can perform. If they maintain this level of performance and still get invited I'll be pretty disgusted with valve.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
April 22 2016 08:47 GMT
#527
On April 22 2016 17:43 Taf the Ghost wrote:
We can probably start talking about the problem that Puppey is going to have to work out: Arteezy takes up a LOT of farm. EE takes up a LOT of farm. ppd finally solved this problem, partially due to the meta, by playing a 1/3/3/3/5 system. Their only major mistake was not banning Nature's Prophet at Shanghai.


Eh, I don't agree at all. I don't see how these games had anything to do with people taking farm, the rotations from Secret achieved very little in both games and after a while their drafts were inferior. In the first game there were a few key fights that just turned the game completely for Empire and in the 2nd game somehow Secret just was not successful at all in finding good fights with their Tide+Chen+OD early power, and after a while it was again too late really to do anything.
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
April 22 2016 08:47 GMT
#528
Guys it's only 2 games, can you wait to see the end of the event before concluding anything

even if that was super bad it is not over yet
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
turpentine
Profile Joined November 2015
1624 Posts
April 22 2016 08:48 GMT
#529
On April 22 2016 17:43 spudde123 wrote:
Universe definitely just missed spells but at the same time he was rarely in a position where there was an easy button to be pressed that would lead to Secret accomplishing something. Felt to me like Secret was very hesitant to do stuff, and whenever they tried some smokes they were rather difficult to pull off. Wasn't really a particular player problem but an issue with what you do as a team. And both drafts were also such that Secret couldn't afford to have it go even like that.


I think they did try to do stuff in the first game, it just didn't work out because Nyx alone wasn't enough control (especially if he's missing spells) so Empire always got their ebola off and wisp+dazzle weren't enough vs both the magical and physical damage from Empire. Probably shook them before the second game
Book of Funn1k, 3:22 "YOU RUINED MY LIFE AND NOW YOU TALK ABOUT 0-7 TUSK?? I would so fuckin Walrus Punch you that you will get stunned for 1 year."
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
April 22 2016 08:48 GMT
#530
i for one think secret has done enough throughout the year with their previous roster to deserve an invite.

team would have to disband to not get one. but that's still just speculation because of volvo
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Kamisamanachi
Profile Joined April 2015
4665 Posts
April 22 2016 08:48 GMT
#531
Ohaiyo prophet..I like it..it might be just me being a nostalgia fag but I still consider ohaiyo as a top 5 NP players
fan of dream runs. orange ti3 , fnatic ti6 , wings ti6 , cdec ti5 !! B-god's anti mage , mushi's shadow fiend
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
April 22 2016 08:48 GMT
#532
On April 22 2016 17:47 HammerKick wrote:
Guys it's only 2 games, can you wait to see the end of the event before concluding anything

even if that was super bad it is not over yet

EHOME should be better than that.

I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
April 22 2016 08:49 GMT
#533
On April 22 2016 17:44 TanGeng wrote:
It sounded like the old secret would have needed 1437 full time coaching to suppress all the team tensions.

What they did to w33 though near the deadline. Just cold

+1
and
+1
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
April 22 2016 08:49 GMT
#534
the first ban LD against EHOME
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
April 22 2016 08:50 GMT
#535
And proceed to ban out the offlane after picking np.
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
April 22 2016 08:51 GMT
#536
On April 22 2016 17:48 turpentine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 17:43 spudde123 wrote:
Universe definitely just missed spells but at the same time he was rarely in a position where there was an easy button to be pressed that would lead to Secret accomplishing something. Felt to me like Secret was very hesitant to do stuff, and whenever they tried some smokes they were rather difficult to pull off. Wasn't really a particular player problem but an issue with what you do as a team. And both drafts were also such that Secret couldn't afford to have it go even like that.


I think they did try to do stuff in the first game, it just didn't work out because Nyx alone wasn't enough control (especially if he's missing spells) so Empire always got their ebola off and wisp+dazzle weren't enough vs both the magical and physical damage from Empire. Probably shook them before the second game


Yeah, in the first game they did try. That was more in terms of the 2nd game, their movement just was really awkward in that. First game honestly came down to a few badly taken fights (like the baited initiation on Spectre and some fight later mid I believe), and after a while there was very little Secret could do in the game even if they had a Naga. The OD was just completely useless in both games after they didn't manage to utilize his early laning advantage to get a good lead in the game.
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
April 22 2016 08:52 GMT
#537
why learn from EE when you can watch ixmike replays?
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
April 22 2016 08:52 GMT
#538
Lose a series and you're the worst team in the world, we real sports now bois!

Personally I feel like Universe has been slumping lately in general even before leaving EG the last few tourneys he wasn't their best player. That's not to say he's bad at all, just wasn't up to that insanely fucking high bar he set for himself, didn't have that universe sparkle. But it seems natural to have some ebbs and flows, hopefully he hits his stride again I'll always love that handsome Indian fellow.
LiquidDota Staff
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-22 08:53:16
April 22 2016 08:52 GMT
#539
Lionvoker

have fun playing.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 22 2016 08:52 GMT
#540
On April 22 2016 17:39 fangeast wrote:
RTZ: Daddy fear, love me again.

Universe : Peter let me suck your dick again
-Terran-
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