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On April 22 2016 17:35 atrox_ wrote: What an Empire performance. Universe is trash without PPD apparently
He went to TI2 with Maelk. And TI3 with Dignitas. Don't overplay a bad series.
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On April 22 2016 17:38 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:36 Squat wrote: It seems like the very fabric of the Universe has turned against secret, and the tide has finally turned. At this point, this game is kind of like watching someone kick a puppy. Closing this game out should be as easy as pie, you might even say.
Let yourself out, bro. Hey. Don't show him the door. We need a bad pun guy.
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On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players.
Winning Shanghai doesn't erase the prior months--they clearly had a lot of issues with the previous lineup
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On April 22 2016 17:40 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:35 atrox_ wrote: What an Empire performance. Universe is trash without PPD apparently He went to TI2 with Maelk. And TI3 with Dignitas. Don't overplay a bad series. But Universe became a star when ppd took the reign, so..
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On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players. According to EE's interview, Universe is learning from him the new way.
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On April 22 2016 17:40 turpentine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players. Winning Shanghai doesn't erase the prior months--they clearly had a lot of issues with the previous lineup
The only problem I've heard was that their middle player does not agree with Puppey from time to time.
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On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players.
We'll know if it was a mistake after TI.
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Vatican City State1573 Posts
maybe RTZ just want to revenge cause he want his money
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On April 22 2016 17:41 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players. We'll know if it was a mistake after TI. Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila.
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On April 22 2016 17:40 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:38 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 22 2016 17:36 Squat wrote: It seems like the very fabric of the Universe has turned against secret, and the tide has finally turned. At this point, this game is kind of like watching someone kick a puppy. Closing this game out should be as easy as pie, you might even say.
Let yourself out, bro. Hey. Don't show him the door. We need a bad pun guy. I'll take up that mantle, so others won't have to. I'll be the hero you need, but not the one you deserve, or necessarily want for that matter.
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Universe definitely just missed spells but at the same time he was rarely in a position where there was an easy button to be pressed that would lead to Secret accomplishing something. Felt to me like Secret was very hesitant to do stuff, and whenever they tried some smokes they were rather difficult to pull off. Wasn't really a particular player problem but an issue with what you do as a team. And both drafts were also such that Secret couldn't afford to have it go even like that.
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On April 22 2016 17:41 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players. According to EE's interview, Universe is learning from him the new way.
Doesn't seem to be working. PPD > EE way
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We can probably start talking about the problem that Puppey is going to have to work out: Arteezy takes up a LOT of farm. EE takes up a LOT of farm. ppd finally solved this problem, partially due to the meta, by playing a 1/3/3/3/5 system. Their only major mistake was not banning Nature's Prophet at Shanghai.
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On April 22 2016 17:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:41 Alpino wrote:On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players. We'll know if it was a mistake after TI. Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila. Secret would need to like, embarrassingly bomb out of every single tournament. Even then, they might still be a lock from Shanghai depending on how many invites go for TI
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On April 22 2016 17:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:41 Alpino wrote:On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players. We'll know if it was a mistake after TI. Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila. Like how they lost just about every series after Frankfurt and won Shanghai anyway.
One series...pfft
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On April 22 2016 17:43 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:41 Alpino wrote:On April 22 2016 17:38 Azarkon wrote: It's not even Universe's fault. He is used to playing with a team that plays a certain way, while Secret plays a completely different way. It was Secret's mistake to go for Arteezy when they already had solid middle and off players. We'll know if it was a mistake after TI. Secret might not even get invited, if they don't improve radically before Manila.
Secret is locked for Manila and TI6.
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This is what Ramzes can do with a keyboard, guys.
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It sounded like the old secret would have needed 1437 full time coaching to suppress all the team tensions.
What they did to w33 though near the deadline. Just cold
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On April 22 2016 17:40 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 17:35 atrox_ wrote: What an Empire performance. Universe is trash without PPD apparently He went to TI2 with Maelk. And TI3 with Dignitas. Don't overplay a bad series.
yeah and out in LR2 of both. What is there to overplay? Turns out he's good with a certain captain that he left...
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PPD usually brings the best out of of anyone in his team ,except rtz . what we are seeing might be the result of multiple egos gathering in the team in secret
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