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On December 10 2015 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Tiny pick was fucking awful. Don't understand it at all for this game.
Even so, VG's draft was better than I initially thought. Swap is so good when your opposition have no damage vs. BKB.
Who should they have picked instead of tiny? Slardar wouldn't have done shit in the lane and would have never recovered because he can't farm. Nightstalker maybe could have worked, but would have encountered the same problems as Slardar.
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On December 10 2015 11:29 CrazyBirdman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 11:25 dutchfriese wrote:
Venge carry is super legit in this patch. I used to laugh at the concept but it actually makes a lot of sense. She has the third highest stat gain in the game and can actually defend the safe lane, which seems to be a requirement in the offlane bruiser era. I kinda like her when playing a stack but it's awful in soloqueue. But with a bit coordination with your supports it's insane how easy you can get kills early game.
Yeah solo queue carry vengeful safelane seems awful, with a stack and coordination as VG just showed, it can be legit, but you gotta use the swap for pick offs and even in a stack that kind of coordination can be hard to find.
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On December 10 2015 11:27 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 11:25 dutchfriese wrote:
Venge carry is super legit in this patch. I used to laugh at the concept but it actually makes a lot of sense. She has the third highest stat gain in the game and can actually defend the safe lane, which seems to be a requirement in the offlane bruiser era. I think in theory it makes more sense when you have like SF or TA mid just for the aura (like they run it on VP). But yeah, hotd on venge seems really strong.
It could also be because VS has been falling off as a support lately. So IF is trying to give her slight buffs by giving her strong changes that aren't great for support, but he forgot to consider how much better those changes would make her as a carry.
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On December 10 2015 11:28 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 11:27 synapse wrote:On December 10 2015 11:25 dutchfriese wrote:
Venge carry is super legit in this patch. I used to laugh at the concept but it actually makes a lot of sense. She has the third highest stat gain in the game and can actually defend the safe lane, which seems to be a requirement in the offlane bruiser era. I think in theory it makes more sense when you have like SF or TA mid just for the aura (like they run it on VP). But yeah, hotd on venge seems really strong. Venge aura only affects base damage, so not really. Running it with Morphling is a blast though.
Huh, in that case I guess the lina mid makes pretty good use of the aura due to fiery soul stacks.
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On December 10 2015 11:30 dutchfriese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Tiny pick was fucking awful. Don't understand it at all for this game.
Even so, VG's draft was better than I initially thought. Swap is so good when your opposition have no damage vs. BKB. Who should they have picked instead of tiny? Slardar wouldn't have done shit in the lane and would have never recovered because he can't farm. Nightstalker maybe could have worked, but would have encountered the same problems as Slardar.
Veno.
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On December 10 2015 11:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 11:30 dutchfriese wrote:On December 10 2015 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Tiny pick was fucking awful. Don't understand it at all for this game.
Even so, VG's draft was better than I initially thought. Swap is so good when your opposition have no damage vs. BKB. Who should they have picked instead of tiny? Slardar wouldn't have done shit in the lane and would have never recovered because he can't farm. Nightstalker maybe could have worked, but would have encountered the same problems as Slardar. Veno.
They definitely needed to be creative. Veno could have worked, along with a lot of other heroes that are unorthodox 6.86 offlaners.
My guess is that they settled on Tiny because that is the hero Moon was most comfortable playing vs that trilane. Tiny at least has legitimate comeback potential since he can clear stacks quickly.
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On December 10 2015 11:30 dutchfriese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Tiny pick was fucking awful. Don't understand it at all for this game.
Even so, VG's draft was better than I initially thought. Swap is so good when your opposition have no damage vs. BKB. Who should they have picked instead of tiny? Slardar wouldn't have done shit in the lane and would have never recovered because he can't farm. Nightstalker maybe could have worked, but would have encountered the same problems as Slardar.
Clock is perfect.
Unless I'm stupid and it was banned?
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would tide have worked for moon ? the hero seems durable enough if they don't focus him down until lina/vs hits their peak and forces them to go bkb immediately or lose alot of fights
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Did OG ban doom and SF themselves? Or are the names mixed up?
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On December 10 2015 11:37 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 11:30 dutchfriese wrote:On December 10 2015 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Tiny pick was fucking awful. Don't understand it at all for this game.
Even so, VG's draft was better than I initially thought. Swap is so good when your opposition have no damage vs. BKB. Who should they have picked instead of tiny? Slardar wouldn't have done shit in the lane and would have never recovered because he can't farm. Nightstalker maybe could have worked, but would have encountered the same problems as Slardar. Clock is perfect. Unless I'm stupid and it was banned?
Clock works i guess, until he's tracked all game and nobody is afraid of him.
It's easy to shit on the tiny pick, but he was doing a lot of work in that game. He had quite a bit of farm and was absolutely pulling his weight despite being in an impossible lane to start.
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On December 10 2015 11:38 syw651 wrote:
Did OG ban doom and SF themselves? Or are the names mixed up?
had to because VG have first pick+radiant side
can't afford to give away doom or radiant SF
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On December 10 2015 11:38 syw651 wrote:
Did OG ban doom and SF themselves? Or are the names mixed up?
They banned SF because they are dire and Doom because they don't want to deal with it I'm guessing.
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OG could build a team around Global Silence initiation. These VG drafts rely so much about locking down the initial Swap target.
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On December 10 2015 11:42 dutchfriese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2015 11:37 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 10 2015 11:30 dutchfriese wrote:On December 10 2015 11:24 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Tiny pick was fucking awful. Don't understand it at all for this game.
Even so, VG's draft was better than I initially thought. Swap is so good when your opposition have no damage vs. BKB. Who should they have picked instead of tiny? Slardar wouldn't have done shit in the lane and would have never recovered because he can't farm. Nightstalker maybe could have worked, but would have encountered the same problems as Slardar. Clock is perfect. Unless I'm stupid and it was banned? Clock works i guess, until he's tracked all game and nobody is afraid of him. It's easy to shit on the tiny pick, but he was doing a lot of work in that game. He had quite a bit of farm and was absolutely pulling his weight despite being in an impossible lane to start.
He did next to nothing of importance aside from help Venge get to a good start by being useless in lane.
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On December 10 2015 11:44 BoesFX wrote:
Not again.
Plot twist: Silencer is the carry, VS goes mid
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silencer makes sense against huskar .. it deals damage that goes through magic resistance and rips the dazzle cause ult
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They were clearly looking for that Huskar. Looking forward to seeing how the Silencer works out
Ahaha and then Meepo. Really looking forward to seeing this play out now!
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