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Pandemona
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On October 29 2015 18:07 Kamisamanachi wrote:
them ,as a team are playing good..yesterday's wins was pretty good team work by them .and people still cry about them dropping black? lol ..hw can they not realize black's potential after watching fnatic games?
Burning isn't exactly a bad replacement is he
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Props to NYC for changing the parameters for player comparison depending on their roles! Missed that a lot of times and comparing the KDA of both pos. 5 was never that insightful 
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On October 29 2015 18:12 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:09 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:07 Kamisamanachi wrote:
them ,as a team are playing good..yesterday's wins was pretty good team work by them .and people still cry about them dropping black? lol ..hw can they not realize black's potential after watching fnatic games? uhhh, honestly black played perfectly fine when he was on the team. Did you not watch VG back then?? ... it was because other 4 of VG created the perfect environment for him to shine,even changed their plan to go lategame dota at times..and as much as i don't want to flame fnatic,black was awful in their last few games and i wish ,he gets grip on his form back..
I mean.. I feel like burning is the WEAK point on that team right now. Sure the other 4 are great but black wasn't playing awful. If you try to argue that black was playing bad.. they are straight CARRYING burning right now buddy.
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On October 29 2015 18:12 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:07 Kamisamanachi wrote:
them ,as a team are playing good..yesterday's wins was pretty good team work by them .and people still cry about them dropping black? lol ..hw can they not realize black's potential after watching fnatic games? Burning isn't exactly a bad replacement is he
u should see yesterday's both games about how he is adapting to the VG instead of VG adapting to him..they were aggressive in as hell in both the games they played yesterday..besides on ember game in this tournament ,his performance has been on point this tournament.his ember and am games especially were pleasure to watch
On October 29 2015 18:14 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:12 Kamisamanachi wrote:On October 29 2015 18:09 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:07 Kamisamanachi wrote:
them ,as a team are playing good..yesterday's wins was pretty good team work by them .and people still cry about them dropping black? lol ..hw can they not realize black's potential after watching fnatic games? uhhh, honestly black played perfectly fine when he was on the team. Did you not watch VG back then?? ... it was because other 4 of VG created the perfect environment for him to shine,even changed their plan to go lategame dota at times..and as much as i don't want to flame fnatic,black was awful in their last few games and i wish ,he gets grip on his form back.. I mean.. I feel like burning is the WEAK point on that team right now. Sure the other 4 are great but black wasn't playing awful. If you try to argue that black was playing bad.. they are straight CARRYING burning right now buddy.
what? are u sure u are watching same VG?or just randomly talking in your sleep?
and by the way,theat was not the reason VG kicked black..there was also communication barrier and they thought they will do better with an aggressive carry player at TI
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Players look better when their team as a whole is working well. I doubt Black somehow magically got worse as a player right after leaving VG, more likely that it was just easier to play when your teammates are some of the best players in the world.
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On October 29 2015 18:14 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:12 Pandemona wrote:On October 29 2015 18:07 Kamisamanachi wrote:
them ,as a team are playing good..yesterday's wins was pretty good team work by them .and people still cry about them dropping black? lol ..hw can they not realize black's potential after watching fnatic games? Burning isn't exactly a bad replacement is he u should see yesterday's both games about how he is adapting to the VG instead of VG adapting to him..they were aggressive in as hell in both the games they played yesterday..besides on ember game in this tournament ,his performance has been on point this tournament.his ember and am games especially were pleasure to watch Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:14 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:12 Kamisamanachi wrote:On October 29 2015 18:09 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:07 Kamisamanachi wrote:
them ,as a team are playing good..yesterday's wins was pretty good team work by them .and people still cry about them dropping black? lol ..hw can they not realize black's potential after watching fnatic games? uhhh, honestly black played perfectly fine when he was on the team. Did you not watch VG back then?? ... it was because other 4 of VG created the perfect environment for him to shine,even changed their plan to go lategame dota at times..and as much as i don't want to flame fnatic,black was awful in their last few games and i wish ,he gets grip on his form back.. I mean.. I feel like burning is the WEAK point on that team right now. Sure the other 4 are great but black wasn't playing awful. If you try to argue that black was playing bad.. they are straight CARRYING burning right now buddy. what? are u sure u are watching same VG?or just randomly talking in your sleep?
We are watching the same games. You seem to have nice rose tinted glasses for burning yet talk shit about black. Its pretty unbelievable tbh. You realize when black joined the team that they dominated for months correct? I do not see VG doing that with Burning atm so..
On October 29 2015 18:18 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:18 spudde123 wrote:
Players look better when their team as a whole is working well. I doubt Black somehow magically got worse as a player right after leaving VG, more likely that it was just easier to play when your teammates are some of the best players in the world. this..pretty much
ROFL. You realize that is essentially backhand complementing burning right? Thanks for helping my argument since burning really isnt shining atm is he?
On October 29 2015 18:24 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:20 shouldbeworking wrote:On October 29 2015 18:14 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:12 Kamisamanachi wrote:On October 29 2015 18:09 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:07 Kamisamanachi wrote:
them ,as a team are playing good..yesterday's wins was pretty good team work by them .and people still cry about them dropping black? lol ..hw can they not realize black's potential after watching fnatic games? uhhh, honestly black played perfectly fine when he was on the team. Did you not watch VG back then?? ... it was because other 4 of VG created the perfect environment for him to shine,even changed their plan to go lategame dota at times..and as much as i don't want to flame fnatic,black was awful in their last few games and i wish ,he gets grip on his form back.. I mean.. I feel like burning is the WEAK point on that team right now. Sure the other 4 are great but black wasn't playing awful. If you try to argue that black was playing bad.. they are straight CARRYING burning right now buddy. Black surely didn't shine and when he gets a bad lane he almost never recovers. That poor Huskar game. I think FNatic losing was more due to whoever was captaining the team because they did some really stupid plays and drafts. VG on the other hand has all very consistent players and FY is a fucken god so that helps them recover from a bad game. FNatic just throws away leads or just gets stomped. yea..but that does not excuse black randomly walking into 5 enemy heroes as slark and feeding them whole game worth of farm..or farming at top with invoker instead of attending fight with rest of fnatic..
annnnd pretty much just showing you are a hater. Done talking to you.
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On October 29 2015 18:18 spudde123 wrote:
Players look better when their team as a whole is working well. I doubt Black somehow magically got worse as a player right after leaving VG, more likely that it was just easier to play when your teammates are some of the best players in the world.
this..pretty much
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On October 29 2015 18:14 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:12 Kamisamanachi wrote:On October 29 2015 18:09 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:07 Kamisamanachi wrote:
them ,as a team are playing good..yesterday's wins was pretty good team work by them .and people still cry about them dropping black? lol ..hw can they not realize black's potential after watching fnatic games? uhhh, honestly black played perfectly fine when he was on the team. Did you not watch VG back then?? ... it was because other 4 of VG created the perfect environment for him to shine,even changed their plan to go lategame dota at times..and as much as i don't want to flame fnatic,black was awful in their last few games and i wish ,he gets grip on his form back.. I mean.. I feel like burning is the WEAK point on that team right now. Sure the other 4 are great but black wasn't playing awful. If you try to argue that black was playing bad.. they are straight CARRYING burning right now buddy.
Black surely didn't shine and when he gets a bad lane he almost never recovers. That poor Huskar game. I think FNatic losing was more due to whoever was captaining the team because they did some really stupid plays and drafts. VG on the other hand has all very consistent players and FY is a fucken god so that helps them recover from a bad game. FNatic just throws away leads or just gets stomped.
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On October 29 2015 18:20 shouldbeworking wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:14 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:12 Kamisamanachi wrote:On October 29 2015 18:09 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:07 Kamisamanachi wrote:
them ,as a team are playing good..yesterday's wins was pretty good team work by them .and people still cry about them dropping black? lol ..hw can they not realize black's potential after watching fnatic games? uhhh, honestly black played perfectly fine when he was on the team. Did you not watch VG back then?? ... it was because other 4 of VG created the perfect environment for him to shine,even changed their plan to go lategame dota at times..and as much as i don't want to flame fnatic,black was awful in their last few games and i wish ,he gets grip on his form back.. I mean.. I feel like burning is the WEAK point on that team right now. Sure the other 4 are great but black wasn't playing awful. If you try to argue that black was playing bad.. they are straight CARRYING burning right now buddy. Black surely didn't shine and when he gets a bad lane he almost never recovers. That poor Huskar game. I think FNatic losing was more due to whoever was captaining the team because they did some really stupid plays and drafts. VG on the other hand has all very consistent players and FY is a fucken god so that helps them recover from a bad game. FNatic just throws away leads or just gets stomped.
yea..but that does not excuse black randomly walking into 5 enemy heroes as slark and feeding them whole game worth of farm..or farming at top with invoker instead of attending fight with rest of fnatic..
criticizing a player makes u the hater,period...anyway,i love fnatic and black and hope they find team synergy back.
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Well i have a theory regarding VG.
VG with Hao didn't really work out after teams figure them out. Teams just overcommitted to defend against VG's aggression because they know Hao is going to join the fight pretty often. With a more passive ricer that occassionally joins fight, it's harder to tell how much resources you need to commit to defend. You tend to get more out of the map that way.
CDEC's aggression is a bit different because they use their highest networth hero to lead the charge, which means fights end more decisively and faster.
In case you guys didn't know, Black's RL friend did post on TL before saying VG wanted Black back when they were doing badly with Hao. I don't know how credible is that though.
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On October 29 2015 18:29 babysimba wrote:
Well i have a theory regarding VG.
VG with Hao didn't really work out after teams figure them out. Teams just overcommitted to defend against VG's aggression because they know Hao is going to join the fight pretty often. With a more passive ricer that occassionally joins fight, it's harder to tell how much resources you need to commit to defend. You tend to get more out of the map that way.
CDEC's aggression is a bit different because they use their highest networth hero to lead the charge, which means fights end more decisively and faster.
yea...tho i certainly feel like CDEC's aggression at TI was well calculated than VG's and it eventually paid them.
the problem was not black's play with them,but the communication barrier if i am not mistaken..they didn't thought the team whill go further at TI with communication gap
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.anyway,i love fnatic and black and hope they find team synergy back.
sadly me too, thats why im so salty about them losing
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On October 29 2015 18:30 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:29 babysimba wrote:
Well i have a theory regarding VG.
VG with Hao didn't really work out after teams figure them out. Teams just overcommitted to defend against VG's aggression because they know Hao is going to join the fight pretty often. With a more passive ricer that occassionally joins fight, it's harder to tell how much resources you need to commit to defend. You tend to get more out of the map that way.
CDEC's aggression is a bit different because they use their highest networth hero to lead the charge, which means fights end more decisively and faster. yea...tho i certainly feel like CDEC's aggression at TI was well calculated than VG's and it eventually paid them. the problem was not black's play with them,but the communication barrier if i am not mistaken..they didn't thought the team whill go further at TI with communication gap
Oh My God. Will you seriously fucking stop trying to hate on black. You realize hes still taking Chinese classes and was doing so while on the team.
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On October 29 2015 18:29 babysimba wrote:
Well i have a theory regarding VG.
VG with Hao didn't really work out after teams figure them out. Teams just overcommitted to defend against VG's aggression because they know Hao is going to join the fight pretty often. With a more passive ricer that occassionally joins fight, it's harder to tell how much resources you need to commit to defend. You tend to get more out of the map that way.
CDEC's aggression is a bit different because they use their highest networth hero to lead the charge, which means fights end more decisively and faster.
In case you guys didn't know, Black's RL friend did post on TL before saying VG wanted Black back when they were doing badly with Hao. I don't know how credible is that though.
Its also important to note the rumours that Hao and Fy had a lot of conflicts in game such as when to engage/not engage, which if true probably played a much larger role in VG losing games (also explains why VG didnt want to keep Hao)
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LGD flair guy certainly got some problems..hahahaha..
anyway,here we go.
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On October 29 2015 18:35 Kamisamanachi wrote:
LGD flair guy certainly got some problems..hahahaha..
anyway,here we go.
I just get tired of theory crafters talking shit about good players who try their hearts out but want to put them down for no particular reason. I like the guy and am defending him from asshats like you.
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On October 29 2015 18:33 Ultimo Hombre wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:29 babysimba wrote:
Well i have a theory regarding VG.
VG with Hao didn't really work out after teams figure them out. Teams just overcommitted to defend against VG's aggression because they know Hao is going to join the fight pretty often. With a more passive ricer that occassionally joins fight, it's harder to tell how much resources you need to commit to defend. You tend to get more out of the map that way.
CDEC's aggression is a bit different because they use their highest networth hero to lead the charge, which means fights end more decisively and faster.
In case you guys didn't know, Black's RL friend did post on TL before saying VG wanted Black back when they were doing badly with Hao. I don't know how credible is that though. Its also important to note the rumours that Hao and Fy had a lot of conflicts in game such as when to engage/not engage, which if true probably played a much larger role in VG losing games (also explains why VG didnt want to keep Hao)
fy tweeted after summit that seems like there are leadership problems in every team along the lines..seems like it all started from summit and in the next tournament i saw hao drafting for them
On October 29 2015 18:36 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:35 Kamisamanachi wrote:
LGD flair guy certainly got some problems..hahahaha..
anyway,here we go. I just get tired of theory crafters talking shit about good players who try their hearts out but want to put them down for no particular reason. I like the guy and am defending him from asshats like you.
u got triggerd bro and i am sorry if it hurted u..and i am not sure how come saying the truth is flaming black? VG kicked him because of communication as everyone said...and as i said earlier,i love black as a player and fnatic as a team and i hope and wish them best in future that they can find their form back.
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On October 29 2015 18:33 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:30 Kamisamanachi wrote:On October 29 2015 18:29 babysimba wrote:
Well i have a theory regarding VG.
VG with Hao didn't really work out after teams figure them out. Teams just overcommitted to defend against VG's aggression because they know Hao is going to join the fight pretty often. With a more passive ricer that occassionally joins fight, it's harder to tell how much resources you need to commit to defend. You tend to get more out of the map that way.
CDEC's aggression is a bit different because they use their highest networth hero to lead the charge, which means fights end more decisively and faster. yea...tho i certainly feel like CDEC's aggression at TI was well calculated than VG's and it eventually paid them. the problem was not black's play with them,but the communication barrier if i am not mistaken..they didn't thought the team whill go further at TI with communication gap Oh My God. Will you seriously fucking stop trying to hate on black. You realize hes still taking Chinese classes and was doing so while on the team.
Well the official reason Black got kicked WAS the communication issue. Saying that isn't "hating on" Black, it's stating a fact.
Of course, the real reason is that Black was the worst player on the team, but hey. . .
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heart says VG but head says Secret. Just think Secret drafting just way smarter and at such high skill level, team compositions are the main factor for victory.
please surprise me super, can you outdraft puppey?
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black is the worst
black is good enough
PLEASE SECRET VICI START NOW
SAVE US
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EPT
