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On October 29 2015 18:52 ncsix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:44 Pandemona wrote:
I don't think Secret have shown me any reason why giving up sladar to them is bad. EE on Doom has also shown me nothing. Giving up Meepo to them as a chinese team for sure seems bad. Misery sladar hasn't looked good to me anyway and same with EEs Doom. Misery Sladar has been pretty effective since they almost always safe lanes him to get an early blink. Think they mainly prefer this hero dire side. Otherwise it's giving up brood which is probably scarier. He had a pretty phenomenal clockwerk play in this tournament. how much do you think VG or Secret value Alch?
I dont think VG will ban Alch and that theyll pick it if it isnt banned by Secret in the first round
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opterown
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haha wow sheever is so tall
especially next to helen
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rofl secret look like they just got out of bed
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THAT WAS AWKWARD JUST NOW
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On October 29 2015 18:58 opterown wrote:
haha wow sheever is so tall
especially next to helen
She was taller than all of them except icex3 lol
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
On October 29 2015 18:52 ncsix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:44 Pandemona wrote:
I don't think Secret have shown me any reason why giving up sladar to them is bad. EE on Doom has also shown me nothing. Giving up Meepo to them as a chinese team for sure seems bad. Misery sladar hasn't looked good to me anyway and same with EEs Doom. Misery Sladar has been pretty effective since they almost always safe lanes him to get an early blink. Think they mainly prefer this hero dire side. Otherwise it's giving up brood which is probably scarier. He had a pretty phenomenal clockwerk play in this tournament. how much do you think VG or Secret value Alch?
Supers most played hero this patch is Alch and i know Chinese teams really do invest heavily into banning Alch. I also after seeing a few chinese games know that i don't think they value the brood ban. I would see first 2 bans i think from VG as Tusk +1 imo.
Secret i don't know, i have not seen a chinese brood this tourney and there has only been one picked. A VG pick vs CDEC after being 1-0 up in which they lost with it. So i don't know even if Secret will ban brood out first will be interesting.
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Looking at sheever on stage is always a spectacle to watch as she tower most girls that stand by her lol.
VG gaming, bring it in boys, show me that you can counter meepo by doing nothing!
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Secret is very comfortable picking slardar and sf which are good against alche. Secret picking alche.. i don't know
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opterown
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On October 29 2015 18:59 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:58 opterown wrote:
haha wow sheever is so tall
especially next to helen She was taller than all of them except icex3 lol
and puppey too haha
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On October 29 2015 18:58 opterown wrote:
haha wow sheever is so tall
especially next to helen
You must see her next to winter
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On October 29 2015 18:54 babysimba wrote:
I don't think VG is afraid of meepo. Their drafting style this time is very team fight orientated with a late game carry that can still join fights. Less chaotic train dota aggression and more calculated ones. Can fight early, can go late game. Much more stable and very scary
its about that 5th pick meepo if puppey doesn't get cocky and 2nd pick it like the last time (was it vs Fnatic?) Its about baiting your enemy and derailings plans. Meepo scales well into late game and any team should be kinda of afraid of it in W33's hands, at least have a game plan.
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On October 29 2015 18:57 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 18:48 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:45 Pandemona wrote:On October 29 2015 18:44 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:38 FuzzyJAM wrote:On October 29 2015 18:33 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 18:30 Kamisamanachi wrote:On October 29 2015 18:29 babysimba wrote:
Well i have a theory regarding VG.
VG with Hao didn't really work out after teams figure them out. Teams just overcommitted to defend against VG's aggression because they know Hao is going to join the fight pretty often. With a more passive ricer that occassionally joins fight, it's harder to tell how much resources you need to commit to defend. You tend to get more out of the map that way.
CDEC's aggression is a bit different because they use their highest networth hero to lead the charge, which means fights end more decisively and faster. yea...tho i certainly feel like CDEC's aggression at TI was well calculated than VG's and it eventually paid them. the problem was not black's play with them,but the communication barrier if i am not mistaken..they didn't thought the team whill go further at TI with communication gap Oh My God. Will you seriously fucking stop trying to hate on black. You realize hes still taking Chinese classes and was doing so while on the team. Well the official reason Black got kicked WAS the communication issue. Saying that isn't "hating on" Black, it's stating a fact. Of course, the real reason is that Black was the worst player on the team, but hey. . . Because press releases are always what is really happening right? right???! Noone would ever fluff up their press releases / public communication to look better to the public amirite? So why did Black get kicked from VG in your opinion? Was he better than them? was he to good for VG as a whole? You are very confusing and seem to attack everything said about Black :s I was not there I really cannot say what really was the reason that they kicked him but saying communications was the issue when he is not only learning their language but only maximally needs to learn a couple of hundred words to cohesively work in the game seems like a load of crap. It is not only the words, it is the accent and tone. An example iceiceice gave was 大他 and 打他. Both are pronounced the same as "da ta", but the tone is very different. One is to use an ultimate against the enemy, the latter is to attack the enemy. To a native mandarin speaker, it is very clear what each means when it is spoken. To a learner, they are quite similar.
Classic example: depending on tone alone, "Ma" means mother OR annoy OR horse OR scold OR a sort of questioning remark.
Mandarin is difficult. 
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VG, the only team who first pick or first ban lich
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
Well sladar and lich first bans wtf xD
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draft up boys
lol slardar 1st ban
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as well as the word infront changing the latter words meaning and vice versa....
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i'm not sure about the lich ban .. they probably don't want to get dual laned mid
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51485 Posts
I don't think picking brood vs VG would be good. Now is it W33 ember or EE?
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I'm really liking this style of draft from VG. Very smart.
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