EPTThe only two times TI "Champion"
On August 09 2015 12:31 Krishan.bif wrote:
Grats fear
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Grats fear
It so awesome that he won, after all those hard years and last year injury.
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A few USA chants are fine but please don't do it too much. Stop the stupid USA arguments, thanks. On another note, CDEC flairs are now live. Sorry about the delay on that. | ||
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Vankuga
Panama2005 Posts
The only two times TI "Champion" It so awesome that he won, after all those hard years and last year injury. | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On August 09 2015 12:41 FairForever wrote: Correct that they came about after the Burger King - Tim Horton's inversion. I haven't read the legislation but my understanding is that these are supposed to combat phantom inversions. To the extent you're running an event in another jurisdiction that would not relevant in this situation. Many U.S. companies hold subsidiaries in non-U.S. jurisdictions in order to have operations in such stated jurisdictions. This would be an example of that. (1) This wouldn't have stopped the BK-TH merger regardless (2) Tax inversions don't reduce US tax exposure but instead reduce tax burdens because America taxes all income globally regardless of its source rather than only US income so moving your corporate domicile means you no longer pay tax to the US on your German income for example (3) None of this is relevant to TI | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 09 2015 12:43 WolfintheSheep wrote: And that's exactly why it's not considered a job and non-taxable, and treated as windfall earnings. And some countries don't tax windfalls. It would be taxed in both Canada and the United States. Logically it makes sense that it is taxed. It is not a lottery - there is clearly a reasonable expectation of profit from undertaking such activity and it is organized in such a manner that is intended to earn profit (hire coaches, fly around the world) - it's not a hobby. In what country would it be treated as windfall earnings? As noted already Newbee's players paid around 30% in taxes in China. I am curious as to where you think it would be treated as such (let's assume only developed countries that play DOTA here)  | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 09 2015 12:46 MoonBear wrote: (1) This wouldn't have stopped the BK-TH merger regardless (2) Tax inversions don't reduce US tax exposure but instead reduce tax burdens because America taxes all income globally regardless of its source rather than only US income so moving your corporate domicile means you no longer pay tax to the US on your German income for example (3) None of this is relevant to TI Agree it's not relevant as I noted above. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 09 2015 12:54 FairForever wrote: Agree it's not relevant as I noted above. Actually the whole tangent start off with "this is off topic butt...." | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
Now that Fear, PPD, etc. have won, they're going to have the same issues that other players have had after they won. Being the only American team that has had success internationally, that's going to force a lot of the lesser players and teams in the area to step up. Otherwise, America, despite this win, is going to get destroyed in the coming tournaments. In Europe, I don't think Secret is going to stay together, and so the search for the next star team is on. They have a lot of new talent that's capable of being raised into the next Sumail, but it's difficult to see whether Europeans put them in teams. Europe hasn't done that well in making use of their talent in the last two years. China is obviously in for a huge mess in terms of teams finally understanding that going with the same players year in and year out is not going to work. Every team, I think, is going to change players. But which team comes out of it, who knows. In the event that China ends up with a lot of the same players again, I don't think they're going to do well even in the next year. But obviously, CDEC's success is a wake up in terms of the need for new talent and ideas. To this end, look to Tongfu, as they have control over the bulk of the new talent in China. The only area that I don't think is going to change a lot is Southeast Asia. I just don't see Southeast Asia improving their results due to the lack of local support. As to Korea, no one knows what's going on there till we see whether they get their tournaments back. But even without those tournaments, I think they're going to continue being competitive. The 2015 "year" has come to an end. But another "year" is just about to begin. | ||
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Ringogo
United States4 Posts
On August 09 2015 12:53 SpiZe wrote: Kinda surprised there is no PPD and Universe shitting on CDEC in the rosh pit gif running around, been searching but I can't seem to find any http://media.giphy.com/media/3oEdv0ft4kjuMyp4eQ/giphy.gif | ||
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poidrac
United Kingdom60 Posts
Oh, and here's my completed Reference sheets for the tournament here all days reported and updated, and now... *falls on floor, asleep* | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On August 09 2015 12:57 Rebs wrote: Actually the whole tangent start off with "this is off topic butt...." Yes, I was curious. Thanks for the discussion, it's an interesting topic to me... Business law, lol. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
Thank you my man, knew someone would have my back | ||
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fourthirds
Canada132 Posts
On August 09 2015 13:01 SpiZe wrote: Thank you my man, knew someone would have my back http://www.twitch.tv/dota2ti/v/10218720?t=42m00s It's not the same without the audio of tobi's voice cracking | ||
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Ringogo
United States4 Posts
On August 09 2015 13:01 SpiZe wrote: Thank you my man, knew someone would have my back Got you fam | ||
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Valhalla44
Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
On August 09 2015 12:59 Azarkon wrote: What an end, and looking forward, I think there are going to be a lot of changes to professional Dota 2 later this year and next year. Now that Fear, PPD, etc. have won, they're going to have the same issues that other players have had after they won. Being the only American team that has had success internationally, that's going to force a lot of the lesser players and teams in the area to step up. Otherwise, America, despite this win, is going to get destroyed in the coming tournaments. In Europe, I don't think Secret is going to stay together, and so the search for the next star team is on. They have a lot of new talent that's capable of being raised into the next Sumail, but it's difficult to see whether Europeans put them in teams. Europe hasn't done that well in making use of their talent in the last two years. China is obviously in for a huge mess in terms of teams finally understanding that going with the same players year in and year out is not going to work. Every team, I think, is going to change players. But which team comes out of it, who knows. In the event that China ends up with a lot of the same players again, I don't think they're going to do well even in the next year. But obviously, CDEC's success is a wake up in terms of the need for new talent and ideas. To this end, look to Tongfu, as they have control over the bulk of the new talent in China. The only area that I don't think is going to change a lot is Southeast Asia. I just don't see Southeast Asia improving their results due to the lack of local support. As to Korea, no one knows what's going on there till we see whether they get their tournaments back. But even without those tournaments, I think they're going to continue being competitive. The 2015 "year" has come to an end. But another "year" is just about to begin. Honestly theres a lot of "new" talent in China and i think theres some players who are mature for retiring (fenrir is 26 for example), so im hoping for chinese to still do this more older players with younger talent ( E-Home for example) which seems makes younger players develop faster. EU need to dive hard for new talent. And NA need to get shit together and have a team that lasts more then 3 months  .Honestly thinking of T1-T2 teams dat can be made NA is better then EU. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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TheEmulator
28100 Posts
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On August 09 2015 12:45 Vankuga wrote: https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/630217667048263680 The only two times TI "Champion" It so awesome that he won, after all those hard years and last year injury. The feels  | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 09 2015 12:53 FairForever wrote: It would be taxed in both Canada and the United States. Logically it makes sense that it is taxed. It is not a lottery - there is clearly a reasonable expectation of profit from undertaking such activity and it is organized in such a manner that is intended to earn profit (hire coaches, fly around the world) - it's not a hobby. In what country would it be treated as windfall earnings? As noted already Newbee's players paid around 30% in taxes in China. I am curious as to where you think it would be treated as such (let's assume only developed countries that play DOTA here) Well, I know that in Canada the line between something like "professional" and "amateur" Poker players is extremely messy, and where the line is drawn is generally case-by-case. And of course amateur player income is not taxable, while professional players are. Now, an $18 million tournament you can easily say that it can't be anything except professional...except the players don't enjoy any of the benefits of having their "job" being treated as a profession when it comes to things like visas. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On August 09 2015 13:28 TheEmulator wrote: Nice pic Opterown I'm assuming that was one of your own? yeah | ||
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Beirut
United States673 Posts
Where were you sitting for the grand finals? | ||
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