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A few USA chants are fine but please don't do it too much.
Stop the stupid USA arguments, thanks.
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Here's hoping that's usual EG win game 1 hard into lose next 3 strat again.
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On August 09 2015 07:57 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 07:54 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 07:52 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2015 07:39 Azarkon wrote:
I win this year, sorry Chinese fans. Nah you lost for sure. EG winning means nothing. EG were legitimate favorites to win this tournament and anyone who follows/understands DOTA already knew this coming in. Everyone who knows DOTA also understands that china has the most talent top to bottom. Sumail > everyone in China, PPD > everyone in China, Fear ~ Chinese top players... I'm able to go on but don't need to. China hasn't won a single tournament in recent months. Take whatever you want from this. But I win. You lost, China won at least 3 tournaments including 1 international LAN with your favorite-before-TI team.
They won 2 premier tournaments of 11. And only SL12 had decent western opposition.
Things are like they were back at TI3. East has 4-5 top teams, West has 2. West 2 are probably a little ahead of the pack.
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On August 09 2015 08:01 Canucklehead wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 07:58 Logo wrote:On August 09 2015 07:57 Canucklehead wrote:
Disgraceful game by cdec! This is why no winner's advantage is a joke! Because a team that plays that poorly should still have an equal chance of winning as the team that beat them? Yes because cdec is the only team not given a 2nd life. The sole reason why there is no winner's advantage is due to having a hyped finals but it comes at the expense of integrity and fairness. This is not how double eliminations tourneys are run. All the tournaments like evo/sc2 etc run double elimination tourneys properly and fairly.
And if you are the better team you have 5 games to show that you deserve 1st place. Stay salty.
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On August 09 2015 08:03 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 08:02 TiTanIum_ wrote:On August 09 2015 08:01 Canucklehead wrote:On August 09 2015 07:58 Logo wrote:On August 09 2015 07:57 Canucklehead wrote:
Disgraceful game by cdec! This is why no winner's advantage is a joke! Because a team that plays that poorly should still have an equal chance of winning as the team that beat them? Yes because cdec is the only team not given a 2nd life. The sole reason why there is no winner's advantage is due to having a hyped finals but it comes at the expense of integrity and fairness. This is not how double eliminations tourneys are run. All the tournaments like evo/sc2 etc run double elimination tourneys properly and fairly. EG already played today, so there's your winner's advantage. This. It is what it is, please lets not debate the validity of CDEC not having a "second life", like in every tournament ever.
That's really arguable advantage since you can say EG have the momentum, while CDEC have a fresh match.
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On August 09 2015 08:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 08:01 Canucklehead wrote:On August 09 2015 07:58 Logo wrote:On August 09 2015 07:57 Canucklehead wrote:
Disgraceful game by cdec! This is why no winner's advantage is a joke! Because a team that plays that poorly should still have an equal chance of winning as the team that beat them? Yes because cdec is the only team not given a 2nd life. The sole reason why there is no winner's advantage is due to having a hyped finals but it comes at the expense of integrity and fairness. This is not how double eliminations tourneys are run. All the tournaments like evo/sc2 etc run double elimination tourneys properly and fairly. And now the whining about winners bracket advantage begins.
Where were you an hour ago?
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On August 09 2015 08:03 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 07:57 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 07:54 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 07:52 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2015 07:39 Azarkon wrote:
I win this year, sorry Chinese fans. Nah you lost for sure. EG winning means nothing. EG were legitimate favorites to win this tournament and anyone who follows/understands DOTA already knew this coming in. Everyone who knows DOTA also understands that china has the most talent top to bottom. Sumail > everyone in China, PPD > everyone in China, Fear ~ Chinese top players... I'm able to go on but don't need to. China hasn't won a single tournament in recent months. Take whatever you want from this. But I win. You lost, China won at least 3 tournaments including 1 international LAN with your favorite-before-TI team. They won 2 premier tournaments of 11. And only SL12 had decent western opposition. Things are like they were back at TI3. East has 4-5 top teams, West has 2. West 2 are probably a little ahead of the pack.
EG and... VP?
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On August 09 2015 08:03 PhoenixVoid wrote:I notice a lot of Germans call Kaci "cringe".
Idk what it is.
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It was the second pick PL forcing them to ban PL counters when they needed to ban strong initiators especially when there's a clockwerk
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On August 09 2015 08:03 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 07:57 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 07:54 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 07:52 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2015 07:39 Azarkon wrote:
I win this year, sorry Chinese fans. Nah you lost for sure. EG winning means nothing. EG were legitimate favorites to win this tournament and anyone who follows/understands DOTA already knew this coming in. Everyone who knows DOTA also understands that china has the most talent top to bottom. Sumail > everyone in China, PPD > everyone in China, Fear ~ Chinese top players... I'm able to go on but don't need to. China hasn't won a single tournament in recent months. Take whatever you want from this. But I win. You lost, China won at least 3 tournaments including 1 international LAN with your favorite-before-TI team. They won 2 premier tournaments of 11. And only SL12 had decent western opposition. Things are like they were back at TI3. East has 4-5 top teams, West has 2. West 2 are probably a little ahead of the pack.
I would argue that West only has 1 worthy team now and everyone else (Chinese included) suffer from nerves.
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On August 09 2015 08:01 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 07:58 Shergal wrote:On August 09 2015 07:54 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2015 07:53 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2015 07:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Smokes should be removed from Dota =/ Why? This entire TI has been all about smokes... It's such an artificial way to create aggression. Hence why smokes take forever to regen... It's just like a free artificial chance for aggression every smoke. Were you here in the pre-smoke era? 90 minute games with a score of 3-2 were commonplace. Anyone not-shit can avoid ganks with decent wards. It becomes a battle of push vs turtle EVERY GAME. Smokes were the best solution at the time to create a more interesting and dynamic early game. I started playing Dota at around TI3, so I'm relatively new. But just like... Change the game to create aggression in other ways. It's clear that smokes aren't necessarily, as they aren't used much in pubs (I'm a lower level, but maybe 1 in 10 games we use a smoke... While 10-20+ wards every game). Anyway, maybe make wards weaker, or create more incentive to attempt ganks. The counter to a smoke is just to send everyone to your base, and that's just silly imo.
The era of super safe dota was dull as rocks. Weaker wards just makes kills more random. Pro players can avoid smoke ganks and see them coming. The ability to avoid all vision is what makes the game more interesting, not less.
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can mods ban everyone talking about bracket advantage thank you
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On August 09 2015 08:03 PhoenixVoid wrote:I notice a lot of Germans call Kaci "cringe".
Germans are a cold and ruthless people. Do you not know what they did?
That 7-1 was so fucking unnecessary
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On August 09 2015 08:03 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 07:57 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 07:54 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 07:52 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2015 07:39 Azarkon wrote:
I win this year, sorry Chinese fans. Nah you lost for sure. EG winning means nothing. EG were legitimate favorites to win this tournament and anyone who follows/understands DOTA already knew this coming in. Everyone who knows DOTA also understands that china has the most talent top to bottom. Sumail > everyone in China, PPD > everyone in China, Fear ~ Chinese top players... I'm able to go on but don't need to. China hasn't won a single tournament in recent months. Take whatever you want from this. But I win. You lost, China won at least 3 tournaments including 1 international LAN with your favorite-before-TI team. They won 2 premier tournaments of 11. And only SL12 had decent western opposition. Things are like they were back at TI3. East has 4-5 top teams, West has 2. West 2 are probably a little ahead of the pack.
Exactly. The only difference is that Secret failed while Natus Vincere did not. Hell they even had the same player in Puppey.
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On August 09 2015 08:04 babysimba wrote:
It was the second pick PL forcing them to ban PL counters when they needed to ban strong initiators especially when there's a clockwerk
They honestly should have just picked disruptor instead of QoP. Blue hero>Red hero
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On August 09 2015 08:04 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 08:03 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 09 2015 08:02 GumBa wrote:
This Kaci just makes me cringe I notice a lot of Germans call Kaci "cringe". Idk what it is.
Typical American person, overly fake friendliness
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On August 09 2015 08:03 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 08:03 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 09 2015 08:02 TiTanIum_ wrote:On August 09 2015 08:01 Canucklehead wrote:On August 09 2015 07:58 Logo wrote:On August 09 2015 07:57 Canucklehead wrote:
Disgraceful game by cdec! This is why no winner's advantage is a joke! Because a team that plays that poorly should still have an equal chance of winning as the team that beat them? Yes because cdec is the only team not given a 2nd life. The sole reason why there is no winner's advantage is due to having a hyped finals but it comes at the expense of integrity and fairness. This is not how double eliminations tourneys are run. All the tournaments like evo/sc2 etc run double elimination tourneys properly and fairly. EG already played today, so there's your winner's advantage. This. It is what it is, please lets not debate the validity of CDEC not having a "second life", like in every tournament ever. That's really arguable advantage since you can say EG have the momentum, while CDEC have a fresh match.
Seriously, it's such a bad argument. All of these guys are used to playing multiple hours in a row. Do people really think that the team that comes in pumped up, with momentum and in a great state of mind after winning a main stage series already is worse off than the team who comes in cold off a scrim and a pub lol?
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On August 09 2015 08:04 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 08:03 Diavlo wrote:On August 09 2015 07:57 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 09 2015 07:54 Azarkon wrote:On August 09 2015 07:52 dutchfriese wrote:On August 09 2015 07:39 Azarkon wrote:
I win this year, sorry Chinese fans. Nah you lost for sure. EG winning means nothing. EG were legitimate favorites to win this tournament and anyone who follows/understands DOTA already knew this coming in. Everyone who knows DOTA also understands that china has the most talent top to bottom. Sumail > everyone in China, PPD > everyone in China, Fear ~ Chinese top players... I'm able to go on but don't need to. China hasn't won a single tournament in recent months. Take whatever you want from this. But I win. You lost, China won at least 3 tournaments including 1 international LAN with your favorite-before-TI team. They won 2 premier tournaments of 11. And only SL12 had decent western opposition. Things are like they were back at TI3. East has 4-5 top teams, West has 2. West 2 are probably a little ahead of the pack. I would argue that West only has 1 worthy team now and everyone else (Chinese included) suffer from nerves.
Hope the Judas duo RTZ and Zai are watching this final
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Kaci only seems cringe to us because the fans are awkward people. If she was at a football, basketball, etc. The fans would play off her perfectly.
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On August 09 2015 08:03 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 08:02 TiTanIum_ wrote:On August 09 2015 08:01 Canucklehead wrote:On August 09 2015 07:58 Logo wrote:On August 09 2015 07:57 Canucklehead wrote:
Disgraceful game by cdec! This is why no winner's advantage is a joke! Because a team that plays that poorly should still have an equal chance of winning as the team that beat them? Yes because cdec is the only team not given a 2nd life. The sole reason why there is no winner's advantage is due to having a hyped finals but it comes at the expense of integrity and fairness. This is not how double eliminations tourneys are run. All the tournaments like evo/sc2 etc run double elimination tourneys properly and fairly. EG already played today, so there's your winner's advantage. This. It is what it is, please lets not debate the validity of CDEC not having a "second life", like in every tournament ever.
I don't know, I think Ihad to debate about it a lot before dropping the ball, and yet sometimes I still feel the will to defend the "true" double eliminaiton  But not tonight, I want some doto!
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It's so weird seeing CDEC stomping EG earlier and now it's the other way around. I thought it was way way more close.
Hope we see a comeback of CDEC. A 3-0 stomp would be anticlimactic as hell...
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