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On June 22 2015 02:03 jojos11 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 01:58 goody153 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:57 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 22 2015 01:51 uriel- wrote:
Wonder how many more TIs Naga Siren will ruin before she gets reworked you're fucking stupid if you think naga support is cancerous i would be surprised if she doesnt get nerfed.along with lesh & qop.those 2 guaranteed nerf for sure. naga support/carry is not even close on OP status unless you are secret/eg actually nobody has made core naga work on pro-games outside c9(cause they are the only team who picked them lately against good teams) i can see icefrog nerfing it.seems like a problems on pubs too.song cd with octarine are just too good
if you're letting a SUPPORT naga farm up like that there's probably a problem with how you're playing the game, not with the hero.
On June 22 2015 02:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 01:59 BluemoonSC wrote:
i mean naga hasn't really even been touched this patch, so im not sure why she's all of a sudden "soooo op" lol
she won't get nerfed but i definitely think glimmer cape is gonna be nerfed a little. prolly fade time, or mana cost. She was indirectly buffed by items. Radiance giving miss chance is massive and Octarine Core. Even if she wasn't touched doesn't mean she didn't get buffed.
we are talking about support naga
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On June 22 2015 02:03 jojos11 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 01:58 goody153 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:57 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 22 2015 01:51 uriel- wrote:
Wonder how many more TIs Naga Siren will ruin before she gets reworked you're fucking stupid if you think naga support is cancerous i would be surprised if she doesnt get nerfed.along with lesh & qop.those 2 guaranteed nerf for sure. naga support/carry is not even close on OP status unless you are secret/eg actually nobody has made core naga work on pro-games outside c9(cause they are the only team who picked them lately against good teams) i can see icefrog nerfing it.seems like a problems on pubs too.song cd with octarine are just too good
not everybody can play carry naga anyways like most are awful at it and especially the early game stage half have no clue how to farm scarcely
and you can shut down naga easily this are just one of those games where naga owned but it was mostly thanks to GLIMMACAPE
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On June 22 2015 02:00 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 01:59 Acritter wrote:
Isn't Ghost Scepter basically outdated tech these days? There are so few heroes who will try to gank you with right-clicks, it can't go on allies, and it makes it easy to track you. Glimmercape is just stronger in basically every way. The argument was about VG vs EG game where i dared to suggest that ghost scepter would be better investment of 1500 gold than turning cloak into glimmer cape on disruptor that was getting 2-3 shot by deso clinkz near disruptor's own T3.
Oh, that game
there was no hope for that disruptor
none at all
(although clinkz is one of the few heroes remaining where ghost scepter is a very reasonable option)
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On June 22 2015 02:03 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:01 Erasme wrote:On June 22 2015 02:00 ShroudeD wrote:On June 22 2015 01:59 Acritter wrote:
Isn't Ghost Scepter basically outdated tech these days? There are so few heroes who will try to gank you with right-clicks, it can't go on allies, and it makes it easy to track you. Glimmercape is just stronger in basically every way. you don't want ghost scepter to avoid ganks.You want ghost scepter to avoid getting two shot in the late game by that 5,6-slotted carry except that 5.6 slotted carry doesnt have true sight so yes ghost scepter is outdated unless you're against a void for that eblade unless you get dusted by their support first or whoever got true sight from the enemy team but if the team already has glimmer ghost sounds good ..most of the time glimmber is better
lategame everyone has trouble with slots, so its more likely you have one guy with gem and the other 4 without any truesight
you'd rather have blink glimmer or force glimmer than glimmer ghost
glimmer is mandatory on 95% of the supports
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On June 22 2015 02:03 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:03 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:58 goody153 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:57 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 22 2015 01:51 uriel- wrote:
Wonder how many more TIs Naga Siren will ruin before she gets reworked you're fucking stupid if you think naga support is cancerous i would be surprised if she doesnt get nerfed.along with lesh & qop.those 2 guaranteed nerf for sure. naga support/carry is not even close on OP status unless you are secret/eg actually nobody has made core naga work on pro-games outside c9(cause they are the only team who picked them lately against good teams) i can see icefrog nerfing it.seems like a problems on pubs too.song cd with octarine are just too good if you're letting a SUPPORT naga farm up like that there's probably a problem with how you're playing the game, not with the hero. Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 22 2015 01:59 BluemoonSC wrote:
i mean naga hasn't really even been touched this patch, so im not sure why she's all of a sudden "soooo op" lol
she won't get nerfed but i definitely think glimmer cape is gonna be nerfed a little. prolly fade time, or mana cost. She was indirectly buffed by items. Radiance giving miss chance is massive and Octarine Core. Even if she wasn't touched doesn't mean she didn't get buffed. we are talking about support naga
no we're talking about nerfing naga in general, regardless of what it's for...
some people argue both support naga and core naga are both cnacerous but the core naga hate is stronger anyway so it's probably more pertinent to the discussion of whether or not naga needs a nerf
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Wasnt the less creep gold a nerf thou ?
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On June 22 2015 02:04 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:00 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:59 Acritter wrote:
Isn't Ghost Scepter basically outdated tech these days? There are so few heroes who will try to gank you with right-clicks, it can't go on allies, and it makes it easy to track you. Glimmercape is just stronger in basically every way. The argument was about VG vs EG game where i dared to suggest that ghost scepter would be better investment of 1500 gold than turning cloak into glimmer cape on disruptor that was getting 2-3 shot by deso clinkz near disruptor's own T3. Oh, that game there was no hope for that disruptor none at all (although clinkz is one of the few heroes remaining where ghost scepter is a very reasonable option)
Oh, no hope, but at least he would not fucking die under his own T3 because pressing a button when your screen hints ya due to you losing half HP is much easier than trying to glimmer yourself before next projectile lands.
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naga's fine, stop complaining. Fear and sumail chose not prioritize bkb, that's their problem.
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On June 22 2015 02:03 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:03 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:58 goody153 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:57 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 22 2015 01:51 uriel- wrote:
Wonder how many more TIs Naga Siren will ruin before she gets reworked you're fucking stupid if you think naga support is cancerous i would be surprised if she doesnt get nerfed.along with lesh & qop.those 2 guaranteed nerf for sure. naga support/carry is not even close on OP status unless you are secret/eg actually nobody has made core naga work on pro-games outside c9(cause they are the only team who picked them lately against good teams) i can see icefrog nerfing it.seems like a problems on pubs too.song cd with octarine are just too good if you're letting a SUPPORT naga farm up like that there's probably a problem with how you're playing the game, not with the hero. Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 22 2015 01:59 BluemoonSC wrote:
i mean naga hasn't really even been touched this patch, so im not sure why she's all of a sudden "soooo op" lol
she won't get nerfed but i definitely think glimmer cape is gonna be nerfed a little. prolly fade time, or mana cost. She was indirectly buffed by items. Radiance giving miss chance is massive and Octarine Core. Even if she wasn't touched doesn't mean she didn't get buffed. we are talking about support naga
I didn't know there was a rule in Dota where you decide Naga is support from the start and she can never farm for the rest of the game.
Not like Naga is the poster-lady for supports that can transition to a core and even take the 1 position farm.
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Also notable is that Glimmercape "stacks." It's totally reasonable to get more than one per team, although often there are better slots.
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On June 22 2015 02:05 Faruko wrote:
Wasnt the less creep gold a nerf thou ?
After kill gold/xp nerf, it's not really a nerf, just overall scale down for everyone.
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On June 22 2015 02:05 Faruko wrote:
Wasnt the less creep gold a nerf thou ?
could be considered as a buff since you're farming their jungle and then the other team has even less gold to play with
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On June 22 2015 02:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:03 BluemoonSC wrote:On June 22 2015 02:03 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:58 goody153 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:57 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 22 2015 01:51 uriel- wrote:
Wonder how many more TIs Naga Siren will ruin before she gets reworked you're fucking stupid if you think naga support is cancerous i would be surprised if she doesnt get nerfed.along with lesh & qop.those 2 guaranteed nerf for sure. naga support/carry is not even close on OP status unless you are secret/eg actually nobody has made core naga work on pro-games outside c9(cause they are the only team who picked them lately against good teams) i can see icefrog nerfing it.seems like a problems on pubs too.song cd with octarine are just too good if you're letting a SUPPORT naga farm up like that there's probably a problem with how you're playing the game, not with the hero. On June 22 2015 02:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 22 2015 01:59 BluemoonSC wrote:
i mean naga hasn't really even been touched this patch, so im not sure why she's all of a sudden "soooo op" lol
she won't get nerfed but i definitely think glimmer cape is gonna be nerfed a little. prolly fade time, or mana cost. She was indirectly buffed by items. Radiance giving miss chance is massive and Octarine Core. Even if she wasn't touched doesn't mean she didn't get buffed. we are talking about support naga no we're talking about nerfing naga in general, regardless of what it's for... some people argue both support naga and core naga are both cnacerous but the core naga hate is stronger anyway so it's probably more pertinent to the discussion of whether or not naga needs a nerf
ya i was responding to the support naga being cancerous thing originally.
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Is this where Secret goes for the techies morale breaker?
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On June 22 2015 02:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:03 BluemoonSC wrote:On June 22 2015 02:03 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:58 goody153 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:57 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 22 2015 01:51 uriel- wrote:
Wonder how many more TIs Naga Siren will ruin before she gets reworked you're fucking stupid if you think naga support is cancerous i would be surprised if she doesnt get nerfed.along with lesh & qop.those 2 guaranteed nerf for sure. naga support/carry is not even close on OP status unless you are secret/eg actually nobody has made core naga work on pro-games outside c9(cause they are the only team who picked them lately against good teams) i can see icefrog nerfing it.seems like a problems on pubs too.song cd with octarine are just too good if you're letting a SUPPORT naga farm up like that there's probably a problem with how you're playing the game, not with the hero. On June 22 2015 02:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 22 2015 01:59 BluemoonSC wrote:
i mean naga hasn't really even been touched this patch, so im not sure why she's all of a sudden "soooo op" lol
she won't get nerfed but i definitely think glimmer cape is gonna be nerfed a little. prolly fade time, or mana cost. She was indirectly buffed by items. Radiance giving miss chance is massive and Octarine Core. Even if she wasn't touched doesn't mean she didn't get buffed. we are talking about support naga no we're talking about nerfing naga in general, regardless of what it's for... some people argue both support naga and core naga are both cnacerous but the core naga hate is stronger anyway so it's probably more pertinent to the discussion of whether or not naga needs a nerf
idk why people are complaining about both naga
support naga can be awful and core naga can be outcarried especially if you are ahead and capitalize from the 4v5 you just guys can just bruteforce most games as long as you also have decent cores and farm support which should be possible cause you are playing against a hero that farms most of the time
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arteezy has mentioned that mudgolems being able to be riptided (and radianced) is a huge buff to naga like many many times
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On June 22 2015 02:06 blobrus wrote:
Is this where Secret goes for the techies morale breaker?
If they do get themselves tusk, i can see that. But i doubt EG will let them have tusk again.
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On June 22 2015 02:06 uriel- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2015 02:03 BluemoonSC wrote:On June 22 2015 02:03 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:58 goody153 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:57 jojos11 wrote:On June 22 2015 01:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On June 22 2015 01:51 uriel- wrote:
Wonder how many more TIs Naga Siren will ruin before she gets reworked you're fucking stupid if you think naga support is cancerous i would be surprised if she doesnt get nerfed.along with lesh & qop.those 2 guaranteed nerf for sure. naga support/carry is not even close on OP status unless you are secret/eg actually nobody has made core naga work on pro-games outside c9(cause they are the only team who picked them lately against good teams) i can see icefrog nerfing it.seems like a problems on pubs too.song cd with octarine are just too good if you're letting a SUPPORT naga farm up like that there's probably a problem with how you're playing the game, not with the hero. On June 22 2015 02:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 22 2015 01:59 BluemoonSC wrote:
i mean naga hasn't really even been touched this patch, so im not sure why she's all of a sudden "soooo op" lol
she won't get nerfed but i definitely think glimmer cape is gonna be nerfed a little. prolly fade time, or mana cost. She was indirectly buffed by items. Radiance giving miss chance is massive and Octarine Core. Even if she wasn't touched doesn't mean she didn't get buffed. we are talking about support naga I didn't know there was a rule in Dota where you decide Naga is support from the start and she can never farm for the rest of the game. Not like Naga is the poster-lady for supports that can transition to a core and even take the 1 position farm.
it's the rule where you don't let someone afk farm for 15 minutes
just because aui did it in vg vs eg doesn't mean that its something that happens every day. he was given way too much space to farm.
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that secret draft was still kinda shit though.EG still have the edge on drafts
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