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On June 04 2015 12:47 beifru wrote:
Very close game there.
Burning sucked so hard Ferrari gave up carrying him rofl.
it was too hard game for bristle if u think it logically..they can drain his damage with razor and kotl can kit him after his bkb ends no matter whatever the shit he build,he won't have any mana..if anything,it was an outdraft ..faith should have considered banning kotl as he saw puppey playing it in summit 3 and the common trend
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On June 04 2015 12:52 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:51 Azarkon wrote:On June 04 2015 12:49 TanGeng wrote:On June 04 2015 12:46 Nymzee wrote:
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secret played this so fucking well
how do you beat that type of execution o.o LOL Secret played that terribly but if you outstrat the opponent you can get away with making 15 mistakes. This is like Alliance at Ti3. You make it sound as though it's so easy. In that case why don't other teams do it :> he didn't say anything with regards to the ease of drafting that draft, you're strawmanning and rofl i saw your edit "chinese teams" -> "other teams"
It's not the draft that's hard to come up with; it's the movements and the plays.
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On June 04 2015 12:51 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:49 TanGeng wrote:On June 04 2015 12:46 Nymzee wrote:
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secret played this so fucking well
how do you beat that type of execution o.o LOL Secret played that terribly but if you outstrat the opponent you can get away with making 15 mistakes. This is like Alliance at Ti3. You make it sound as though it's so easy. In that case why don't other teams do it :>
that is why it is called as pocket strat ,great einstein? pocket strats are there for surprise and once they get countered ,u find new strat
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On June 04 2015 12:52 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:47 beifru wrote:
Very close game there.
Burning sucked so hard Ferrari gave up carrying him rofl. it was too hard game for bristle if u think it logically..they can drain his damage with razor and kotl can kit him after his bkb ends no matter whatever the shit he build,he won't have any mana..if anything,it was an outdraft ..faith should have considered banning kotl as he saw puppey playing it in summit 3 and the common trend
Its pre-TI, I guess most teams want to try to figure out how to beat a strat than to ban a strat outright. If a team forces you to first ban a specific hero, it leaves open other more OP heroes for the other team.
Yeah, I agree it was a bad bristlegame but Burning didn't help with his bad item choices and positioning.
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i don't think it's especially difficult... force movements -> push elsewhere -> recall -> force movements -> push elsewhere -> recall ad infinitum until you see a favorable fight opportunity
if enemy team tries to push you just depush safely with kotlblast and sof until your split forces them to leave
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On June 04 2015 12:55 Kamisamanachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:51 Azarkon wrote:On June 04 2015 12:49 TanGeng wrote:On June 04 2015 12:46 Nymzee wrote:
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secret played this so fucking well
how do you beat that type of execution o.o LOL Secret played that terribly but if you outstrat the opponent you can get away with making 15 mistakes. This is like Alliance at Ti3. You make it sound as though it's so easy. In that case why don't other teams do it :> that is why it is called as pocket strat ,great einstein? pocket strats are there for surprise and once they get countered ,u find new strat
It's not a pocket strat. I guarantee you Secret is going to use it again, not even with the same heroes, but with the same concept.
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On June 04 2015 12:47 ymir233 wrote:
iG focused too much on pickoffs and not enough on translating that into quick towers/map control/high ground I think
then Secret managed to shake it off and win lols
"SF has a lot of items" still fucking useless
How does one translate pickoffs into towers or map control when there's an aghs kotl
I'm almost sure at this point kotl aghs is the most ridiculous thing in the game
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either way, I think that was secret's hardest game in this group. Maybe LGD do something, but I think Secret will win the group at this point
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yea kotl is the cornerstone of this strat; the other heroes are probably all interchangeable to an extent
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On June 04 2015 12:55 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:52 Kamisamanachi wrote:On June 04 2015 12:47 beifru wrote:
Very close game there.
Burning sucked so hard Ferrari gave up carrying him rofl. it was too hard game for bristle if u think it logically..they can drain his damage with razor and kotl can kit him after his bkb ends no matter whatever the shit he build,he won't have any mana..if anything,it was an outdraft ..faith should have considered banning kotl as he saw puppey playing it in summit 3 and the common trend Its pre-TI, I guess most teams want to try to figure out how to beat a strat than to ban a strat outright. If a team forces you to first ban a specific hero, it leaves open other more OP heroes for the other team. Yeah, I agree it was a bad bristlegame but Burning didn't help with his bad item choices and positioning.
it was not in his hand when enemy lesh is killing u near ur T3 tower,...secret played that strat great and always kept lanes pushed..it was a moment of time before burning goes out and push lanes.
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On June 04 2015 12:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:55 Kamisamanachi wrote:On June 04 2015 12:51 Azarkon wrote:On June 04 2015 12:49 TanGeng wrote:On June 04 2015 12:46 Nymzee wrote:
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secret played this so fucking well
how do you beat that type of execution o.o LOL Secret played that terribly but if you outstrat the opponent you can get away with making 15 mistakes. This is like Alliance at Ti3. You make it sound as though it's so easy. In that case why don't other teams do it :> that is why it is called as pocket strat ,great einstein? pocket strats are there for surprise and once they get countered ,u find new strat It's not a pocket strat. I guarantee you Secret is going to use it again, not even with the same heroes, but with the same concept.
Good luck pulling it off against competent team without kotol.
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On June 04 2015 12:58 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:56 Azarkon wrote:On June 04 2015 12:55 Kamisamanachi wrote:On June 04 2015 12:51 Azarkon wrote:On June 04 2015 12:49 TanGeng wrote:On June 04 2015 12:46 Nymzee wrote:
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secret played this so fucking well
how do you beat that type of execution o.o LOL Secret played that terribly but if you outstrat the opponent you can get away with making 15 mistakes. This is like Alliance at Ti3. You make it sound as though it's so easy. In that case why don't other teams do it :> that is why it is called as pocket strat ,great einstein? pocket strats are there for surprise and once they get countered ,u find new strat It's not a pocket strat. I guarantee you Secret is going to use it again, not even with the same heroes, but with the same concept. Good luck pulling it off against competent team without kotol.
kotl was the strat
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On June 04 2015 12:56 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:47 ymir233 wrote:
iG focused too much on pickoffs and not enough on translating that into quick towers/map control/high ground I think
then Secret managed to shake it off and win lols
"SF has a lot of items" still fucking useless How does one translate pickoffs into towers or map control when there's an aghs kotl I'm almost sure at this point kotl aghs is the most ridiculous thing in the game
you kill...the batman
err the kotl
unless I mean you're ok with a kotl that can be 4-shot freefarming an aghs in your game for whatever reason
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On June 04 2015 12:57 Hai1Fyre wrote:
either way, I think that was secret's hardest game in this group. Maybe LGD do something, but I think Secret will win the group at this point
IG has been pretty damn weak in China since TS3 though. But on the other stream, LGD looked rather shaky against CDEC. LGD is like EG, where they do better in the playoffs as Xiao8 would study the opponent's draft and movements astutely.
Secret is very likely to top the groups. Secret and VG have always been monsters in the group stage due to their high individual skill.
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On June 04 2015 12:58 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:56 Azarkon wrote:On June 04 2015 12:55 Kamisamanachi wrote:On June 04 2015 12:51 Azarkon wrote:On June 04 2015 12:49 TanGeng wrote:On June 04 2015 12:46 Nymzee wrote:
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secret played this so fucking well
how do you beat that type of execution o.o LOL Secret played that terribly but if you outstrat the opponent you can get away with making 15 mistakes. This is like Alliance at Ti3. You make it sound as though it's so easy. In that case why don't other teams do it :> that is why it is called as pocket strat ,great einstein? pocket strats are there for surprise and once they get countered ,u find new strat It's not a pocket strat. I guarantee you Secret is going to use it again, not even with the same heroes, but with the same concept. Good luck pulling it off against competent team without kotol.
That's like saying good lucking pulling off a Drow strat without Drow. Doesn't mean any Drow strat would be a pocket strat or that you can't have diferent heroes in Drow strats.
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i was thinking this yesterday in the c9 game, but kotl is like a 4 position naga... when a team runs a kotl strat properly you'll always have at least 2 lanes pushed in with the threat of heavy ratting anytime, and meanwhile it's very difficult to actually push because your creeps die to kotlblast (instead of radiance illus)
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On June 04 2015 12:56 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i don't think it's especially difficult... force movements -> push elsewhere -> recall -> force movements -> push elsewhere -> recall ad infinitum until you see a favorable fight opportunity
if enemy team tries to push you just depush safely with kotlblast and sof until your split forces them to leave
When most teams try to do this, they get caught with their split pushers, lose 1-2 heroes, lose creep momentum, and the game quickly spirals out of control because after losing creep momentum, you get squeezed in, and even though KOTL is able to wave clear, when you're stuck in your base because the creeps are pushing in on all sides and the opponent is able to just tighten the circle of wards and heroes around your base, you've lost, because the strategy revolves around having map control, and when you lose map control, and have no creeps to tp to to push the waves out, what are you going to do? Team fight? You have no team fight. You just lose then.
Were this style of play so trivial, Alliance would've been figured out and smashed ten times over during TI 3.
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On June 04 2015 13:00 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:58 lolfail9001 wrote:On June 04 2015 12:56 Azarkon wrote:On June 04 2015 12:55 Kamisamanachi wrote:On June 04 2015 12:51 Azarkon wrote:On June 04 2015 12:49 TanGeng wrote:On June 04 2015 12:46 Nymzee wrote:
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secret played this so fucking well
how do you beat that type of execution o.o LOL Secret played that terribly but if you outstrat the opponent you can get away with making 15 mistakes. This is like Alliance at Ti3. You make it sound as though it's so easy. In that case why don't other teams do it :> that is why it is called as pocket strat ,great einstein? pocket strats are there for surprise and once they get countered ,u find new strat It's not a pocket strat. I guarantee you Secret is going to use it again, not even with the same heroes, but with the same concept. Good luck pulling it off against competent team without kotol. That's like saying good lucking pulling off a Drow strat without Drow. Doesn't mean any Drow strat would be a pocket strat or that you can't have diferent heroes in Drow strats.
Hell, you could probably pull off Drow strat with lycan instead of drow in certain circumstances, so even your example does not even hold it's weight as much as this strat is based on kotl.
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On June 04 2015 13:00 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:57 Hai1Fyre wrote:
either way, I think that was secret's hardest game in this group. Maybe LGD do something, but I think Secret will win the group at this point IG has been pretty damn weak in China since TS3 though. But on the other stream, LGD looked rather shaky against CDEC. LGD is like EG, where they do better in the playoffs as Xiao8 would study the opponent's draft and movements astutely. Secret is very likely to top the groups. Secret and VG have always been monsters in the group stage due to their high individual skill.
Xiao8 isn't that good.
He usually come up with easy to master strategies that becomes the core of the Chinese meta for a while.
Adaptation within a tournament is fairly low.
iG is kind of stuck in their support play.
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In this thread we are 2013 again and Rat DotA is unstoppable.
Congrats Secret on winning TI3.
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