Dota Pit League Season 2 - Page 65

On December 16 2014 04:06 eekmice wrote:
I like different styles but holy shit i think c9 have lost every game where ee goes a playmaking-esque hero like storm, puck, invoker you name it.

On December 16 2014 05:01 spudde123 wrote:


He hasn't played Puck for well over a year even once, Invoker a few times at and before TI but always with the afk farm exort Invoker build throwing sunstrikes so the hero is like the opposite of playmaking-esque (granted his lategame Invoker play hasn't been that impressive in the games he played it). But of course you are right in the sense that c9 often have Fata or Bone or both on more playmaking heroes, though hard to say from the outside whether it is because they've failed with EE on some heroes in scrims or if they just prefer to play it like that.

On December 16 2014 05:42 eekmice wrote:


But why go afk farm invoker when the enemy team has an even harder carry like morph. Those invoker games always had bone on offlane void and a sky support. They would do extremely well early with chrono+sunstrike+sky ult combos but then they would fall back to the 4p+1 and squander their lead. EE would try to solo push safelane t2 with book3 and die or the other 4 would try to engage and lose a 4v5 fight. Then the lead would decrease to the point where the harder carry would have more farm and eventually lose the game.

This is pretty much what happened this storm game. They had a plan to get pickoffs (nyx, storm) and push early with a core jakiro and enigma. Relatively early (11min) mek and they're holding their ground early game. and then for some unknown reason, they go into a farming war with a medusa and hardly engage until 40 minutes in.

On December 16 2014 05:59 spudde123 wrote:


I didn't see the c9 vs VPP game today so can't comment on that, but as you said they generally had something to combo with the Invoker sunstrikes, and my point simply was that it's not on EE to find the openings to get the sunstrikes. But I agree that in comparison to other teams c9 wasn't really able to utilize Invoker to the best of its potential, first not necessarily finding the right pickoffs with sunstrike support and then not using the pushing power of QE Invoker to group up at the right time. I don't think their goal often was to take it to the late game with it (and they did have some games where they managed to successfully push with their advantage), but in some games they just played it poorly.