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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 14 2014 22:10 GMT
#2521
On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?

With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate.

always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min

That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her.

this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
July 14 2014 22:10 GMT
#2522
faith shaman yo
bisu
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 14 2014 22:11 GMT
#2523
On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?

With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate.

always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min

That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her.

this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her

I think in the end we did come to conclusion that the only thing you certainly must do without exceptions is max out both desolate and dagger before even bothering with 2nd dispersion point, right?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 22:12:52
July 14 2014 22:11 GMT
#2524
On July 15 2014 07:08 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:04 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:01 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:00 Ramiz1989 wrote:
And it is funny that people are shitting on Na`Vi, but Newbee stomped IG the same way.

These games are happening quite a lot among better teams, one of the team has draft advantage, gets momentum and just snowballs out of control.

honestly, before today, i didn't think ig was nearly as bad as na'vi, but seeing this draft happen made me consider otherwise

Na`Vi isn't bad either, you are a fool if you are judging one team because of one game. IG lost one game to Mouz at ESL, score was 30-4 for Mouz or something, but they had won the whole thing after all...

It just happens that teams have bad games, miscommunication happens, outpick happens, oversight happens etc.

there's outpicks and then there's drafts where i think "this draft is bad against most decent drafts this patch," this game's draft was the latter and makes me think ig doesn't udnerstand the game as well as i thought they did

HE'S SAYING YOU SHOULDNT JUDGE A TEAM BASED ON 1 GAME
...oh sry caps, though you didn't hear what he said

i disagree though, we judge teams on an aggregate of their individual performances and when each team should be drafting every game to win, bad drafts make teams look worse. let's say ig had a 20% bad draft rate this ti before this game, now it's like 22% or whatever and i consider them worse.

my flair team c9 is great example of this, if you looked only at their wins youd be like woah this team wins with unconventional drafts all day, but then you look at their losses and there's even more unconventional drafts and they make 0 sense. the rate at which a team drafts unwinnable/difficult drafts should factor into your consideration of their strength
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Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
July 14 2014 22:11 GMT
#2525
does xiao8 play tide for all 8 games ?
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 14 2014 22:11 GMT
#2526
we go unseen
shadows take us
allies something soemthing
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
July 14 2014 22:11 GMT
#2527
On July 15 2014 07:11 Snakesneaks wrote:
does xiao8 play tide for all 8 games ?

I c what u did ther
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 14 2014 22:12 GMT
#2528
On July 15 2014 07:11 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?

With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate.

always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min

That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her.

this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her

I think in the end we did come to conclusion that the only thing you certainly must do without exceptions is max out both desolate and dagger before even bothering with 2nd dispersion point, right?

yes
however in doubt, always max dagger first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
July 14 2014 22:12 GMT
#2529
On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?

With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate.

always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min

That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her.

this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her

Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D

Hilarious...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Oddball28
Profile Joined May 2013
Denmark2121 Posts
July 14 2014 22:12 GMT
#2530
On July 15 2014 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:05 Oddball28 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:02 Oddball28 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:00 AwfuL_ wrote:
How's it always iG that ends up with these ridiculously skewed killscores lol


Because they keep drafting Chaun Mirana and having their supports not level 6 at fifteen


ChuaN has played a really sick Mirana, so it's pretty hard to question that tbh


When it works it is great, but when it doesn't you end up with this game. Newbee were prepared and warded the map to deal with it.


You can apply that logic to every hero. Please.


Don't pick supports that have zero recovery and accomplish absolutely nothing in the early game. Is that better worded for you?


... Your tunnelvisioning so hard here. You think that when iG picked Mirana they wanted her to achieve nothing? No, they had great setup in fissure and entangle. They also roam very well in every game they play. Mirana fits the role perfectly and ChuaN has a reputation for hitting very good arrows. So you going on a rant about drafting Mirana is just bottomline stupid.

Mirana is great, especially on ChuaN. Games at ESL One and WPC + online tourneys before TI has proved that.
LaNm, Iceiceice, Mushi, BurNIng and MMY - DK 2013/2014 - What a ride it was...
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 14 2014 22:12 GMT
#2531
On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?

With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate.

always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min

That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her.

this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her

Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D

Hilarious...

and u think that playing a lot at a subpar level makes u better ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 14 2014 22:13 GMT
#2532
On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?

With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate.

always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min

That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her.

this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her

Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D

Hilarious...

dota = game of constant judgements and decisions
playing vs pros means good at game
??????
good at judgement
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 22:14:49
July 14 2014 22:13 GMT
#2533
come on 430 voker.

dream shattered fuuuuu xiao8
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
July 14 2014 22:13 GMT
#2534
xiao8 wrote 3 game script i think
bisu
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 22:15:31
July 14 2014 22:14 GMT
#2535
On July 15 2014 07:12 Oddball28 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:05 Oddball28 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:02 Oddball28 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:00 AwfuL_ wrote:
How's it always iG that ends up with these ridiculously skewed killscores lol


Because they keep drafting Chaun Mirana and having their supports not level 6 at fifteen


ChuaN has played a really sick Mirana, so it's pretty hard to question that tbh


When it works it is great, but when it doesn't you end up with this game. Newbee were prepared and warded the map to deal with it.


You can apply that logic to every hero. Please.


Don't pick supports that have zero recovery and accomplish absolutely nothing in the early game. Is that better worded for you?


... Your tunnelvisioning so hard here. You think that when iG picked Mirana they wanted her to achieve nothing? No, they had great setup in fissure and entangle. They also roam very well in every game they play. Mirana fits the role perfectly and ChuaN has a reputation for hitting very good arrows. So you going on a rant about drafting Mirana is just bottomline stupid.

Mirana is great, especially on ChuaN. Games at ESL One and WPC + online tourneys before TI has proved that.


Check Newbees warding that game like I said. They were prepared for it in every lane and it didn't work. He almost picked up a couple kills, but even with those I think they still would have lost the game.

Somebody asked why iG ends up with ridiculous kill scores and the answer is Chuan's Mirana not working. I have never said that Chaun is a bad mirana or that they shouldn't draft it. They need to smoke and get the counter wards for it to work if they do though and they didn't that game.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
July 14 2014 22:14 GMT
#2536
I really dislike when Spectre opts to skip Radiance completely. You can go some alternatives builds like drums, blade mail or maybe diffusal but specifically for Spectre getting a radiance is still important regardless of how late it's going to be. Radiance never loses it's relevance on Spectre imo.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
July 14 2014 22:14 GMT
#2537
On July 15 2014 07:13 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?

With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate.

always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min

That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her.

this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her

Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D

Hilarious...

dota = game of constant judgements and decisions
playing vs pros means good at game
??????
good at judgement

Illidan and Iwo must be great at that
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
July 14 2014 22:14 GMT
#2538
On July 15 2014 07:13 ramon wrote:
xiao8 wrote 3 game script i think

Looks like it
secret - never again
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
July 14 2014 22:14 GMT
#2539
On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?

With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate.

always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min

That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her.

this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her

Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D

Hilarious...

What about max desolate if you have allies that let you hit things and max dagger if not?
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 22:15:58
July 14 2014 22:14 GMT
#2540
On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:
On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?

With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate.

always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min

That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her.

this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her

Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D

Hilarious...

You kinda started with the 'I play Specter a lot and tried out a lot of builds"... Can't complain that other use the same argument + playing against pros.

Pro players tend to get 3 points in dagger by level 5, 4th point depends on the pro and the game.

EDIT: also, no skywrath mage. Finally.
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