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On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote: The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her
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On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote: The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her I think in the end we did come to conclusion that the only thing you certainly must do without exceptions is max out both desolate and dagger before even bothering with 2nd dispersion point, right?
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On July 15 2014 07:08 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On July 15 2014 07:04 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:01 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On July 15 2014 07:00 Ramiz1989 wrote: And it is funny that people are shitting on Na`Vi, but Newbee stomped IG the same way.
These games are happening quite a lot among better teams, one of the team has draft advantage, gets momentum and just snowballs out of control. honestly, before today, i didn't think ig was nearly as bad as na'vi, but seeing this draft happen made me consider otherwise Na`Vi isn't bad either, you are a fool if you are judging one team because of one game. IG lost one game to Mouz at ESL, score was 30-4 for Mouz or something, but they had won the whole thing after all... It just happens that teams have bad games, miscommunication happens, outpick happens, oversight happens etc. there's outpicks and then there's drafts where i think "this draft is bad against most decent drafts this patch," this game's draft was the latter and makes me think ig doesn't udnerstand the game as well as i thought they did HE'S SAYING YOU SHOULDNT JUDGE A TEAM BASED ON 1 GAME ...oh sry caps, though you didn't hear what he said i disagree though, we judge teams on an aggregate of their individual performances and when each team should be drafting every game to win, bad drafts make teams look worse. let's say ig had a 20% bad draft rate this ti before this game, now it's like 22% or whatever and i consider them worse.
my flair team c9 is great example of this, if you looked only at their wins youd be like woah this team wins with unconventional drafts all day, but then you look at their losses and there's even more unconventional drafts and they make 0 sense. the rate at which a team drafts unwinnable/difficult drafts should factor into your consideration of their strength
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does xiao8 play tide for all 8 games ?
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we go unseen shadows take us allies something soemthing
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On July 15 2014 07:11 Snakesneaks wrote: does xiao8 play tide for all 8 games ? I c what u did ther
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On July 15 2014 07:11 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote: The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her I think in the end we did come to conclusion that the only thing you certainly must do without exceptions is max out both desolate and dagger before even bothering with 2nd dispersion point, right? yes however in doubt, always max dagger first
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On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote: The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D
Hilarious...
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On July 15 2014 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:05 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:00 AwfuL_ wrote: How's it always iG that ends up with these ridiculously skewed killscores lol Because they keep drafting Chaun Mirana and having their supports not level 6 at fifteen ChuaN has played a really sick Mirana, so it's pretty hard to question that tbh When it works it is great, but when it doesn't you end up with this game. Newbee were prepared and warded the map to deal with it. You can apply that logic to every hero. Please. Don't pick supports that have zero recovery and accomplish absolutely nothing in the early game. Is that better worded for you?
... Your tunnelvisioning so hard here. You think that when iG picked Mirana they wanted her to achieve nothing? No, they had great setup in fissure and entangle. They also roam very well in every game they play. Mirana fits the role perfectly and ChuaN has a reputation for hitting very good arrows. So you going on a rant about drafting Mirana is just bottomline stupid.
Mirana is great, especially on ChuaN. Games at ESL One and WPC + online tourneys before TI has proved that.
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On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote: The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D Hilarious... and u think that playing a lot at a subpar level makes u better ?
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On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote: The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D Hilarious... dota = game of constant judgements and decisions playing vs pros means good at game ?????? good at judgement
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come on 430 voker.
dream shattered fuuuuu xiao8
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xiao8 wrote 3 game script i think
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On July 15 2014 07:12 Oddball28 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:00 AwfuL_ wrote: How's it always iG that ends up with these ridiculously skewed killscores lol Because they keep drafting Chaun Mirana and having their supports not level 6 at fifteen ChuaN has played a really sick Mirana, so it's pretty hard to question that tbh When it works it is great, but when it doesn't you end up with this game. Newbee were prepared and warded the map to deal with it. You can apply that logic to every hero. Please. Don't pick supports that have zero recovery and accomplish absolutely nothing in the early game. Is that better worded for you? ... Your tunnelvisioning so hard here. You think that when iG picked Mirana they wanted her to achieve nothing? No, they had great setup in fissure and entangle. They also roam very well in every game they play. Mirana fits the role perfectly and ChuaN has a reputation for hitting very good arrows. So you going on a rant about drafting Mirana is just bottomline stupid. Mirana is great, especially on ChuaN. Games at ESL One and WPC + online tourneys before TI has proved that.
Check Newbees warding that game like I said. They were prepared for it in every lane and it didn't work. He almost picked up a couple kills, but even with those I think they still would have lost the game.
Somebody asked why iG ends up with ridiculous kill scores and the answer is Chuan's Mirana not working. I have never said that Chaun is a bad mirana or that they shouldn't draft it. They need to smoke and get the counter wards for it to work if they do though and they didn't that game.
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I really dislike when Spectre opts to skip Radiance completely. You can go some alternatives builds like drums, blade mail or maybe diffusal but specifically for Spectre getting a radiance is still important regardless of how late it's going to be. Radiance never loses it's relevance on Spectre imo.
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On July 15 2014 07:13 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote: The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D Hilarious... dota = game of constant judgements and decisions playing vs pros means good at game ?????? good at judgement Illidan and Iwo must be great at that
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On July 15 2014 07:13 ramon wrote: xiao8 wrote 3 game script i think Looks like it
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On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote: The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D Hilarious... What about max desolate if you have allies that let you hit things and max dagger if not?
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On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote: The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D Hilarious... You kinda started with the 'I play Specter a lot and tried out a lot of builds"... Can't complain that other use the same argument + playing against pros.
Pro players tend to get 3 points in dagger by level 5, 4th point depends on the pro and the game.
EDIT: also, no skywrath mage. Finally. And Shadow shaman on Dire...
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