EPT[TI4] Phase 3 - Bubble Bracket 2 - Page 126
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:02 red_ wrote: Ya their supports were massively underleveled and couldn't fight at all, so iG just get steamrolled because LD and Tinker aren't ready to anything yet either. I guess they thought Ravage would help them hold off for long enough? They almost had a couple kills with it; if those work then they aren't completely dead in the water. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:04 Ramiz1989 wrote: Na`Vi isn't bad either, you are a fool if you are judging one team because of one game. IG lost one game to Mouz at ESL, score was 30-4 for Mouz or something, but they had won the whole thing after all... It just happens that teams have bad games, miscommunication happens, outpick happens, oversight happens etc. there's outpicks and then there's drafts where i think "this draft is bad against most decent drafts this patch," this game's draft was the latter and makes me think ig doesn't udnerstand the game as well as i thought they did | ||
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Oddball28
Denmark2121 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: When it works it is great, but when it doesn't you end up with this game. Newbee were prepared and warded the map to deal with it. You can apply that logic to every hero. Please. | ||
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TanKLoveR
Venezuela838 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:02 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: best case scenario, they drag it out to late midgame where tinker starts dying to spec again and ld's bear starts dying, then they lose in the lategame I've just very rarely see a game where a draft with Specter wins, and if they do it seems like this ridiculous hero that needs 30 mins of uninterrupted farming to finally join fights and do anything. Never seen such a short game with Specter, pretty cool I have to say, other teams must be playing it wrong lol. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 15 2014 06:56 Ramiz1989 wrote: Not weird, Desolate hits before Spectre's attack hits, she will always do Desolate even if her attack is missing. Some clarification on this: In DotA 1, Desolate is triggered to apply damage the moment the attack STARTS (several other triggered on-attack abilities also do this, notably Riki's Backstab and SB's Greater Bash). Because of this, what spiritofthetuna described where you start your autoattack and then immediately cancel it actually does have some limited applications, particularly for chasing people before your attack speed is high enough to necessarily finish the complete autoattack (particularly when trying to hit people trying to juke you in trees). It's slightly more useful for Backstab and Greater Bash because Backstab's damage scales, and Greater Bash has the secondary Bash effect However, this is NOT possible in DotA 2. In DotA 2, all three of these skills apply damage when the attack LANDS. As such, canceling your autoattack to get Desolate/Backstab/Greater Bash damage and not your full autoattack is no longer possible--you have to complete your autoattack to get the secondary effect in DotA 2. Desolate still maintains the property that it still does damage on missed attacks, but Backstab and Greater Bash don't. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:05 TanKLoveR wrote: I've just very rarely see a game where a draft with Specter wins, and if they do it seems like this ridiculous hero that needs 30 mins of uninterrupted farming to finally join fights and do anything. Never seen such a short game with Specter, pretty cool I have to say, other teams must be playing it wrong lol. spectre actually has a decent pub winrate and she's not really that useless once she gets her ult up, i think you think of her as harder (i.e. weaker early and midgame) of a carry than she is. as for your last comment, there are sometimes games where a team with a carry wins the earlygame so hard that it becomes nearly impossible to win for the enemy team, these include naga spec morph and am (except for mouz lolo), and usually when they win earlygame its because the other 4 players on your team outplayed the enemy team, not because of the hero itself | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:06 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: spectre actually has a decent pub winrate and she's not really that useless once she gets her ult up, i think you think of her as harder (i.e. weaker early and midgame) of a carry than she is. The drums/diff build definitely changed spectre a lot. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote: The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe? With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min | ||
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anImaru
United States106 Posts
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nooboon
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: there's outpicks and then there's drafts where i think "this draft is bad against most decent drafts this patch," this game's draft was the latter and makes me think ig doesn't udnerstand the game as well as i thought they did HE'S SAYING YOU SHOULDNT JUDGE A TEAM BASED ON 1 GAME ...oh sry caps, though you didn't hear what he said | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote: always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:05 Oddball28 wrote: You can apply that logic to every hero. Please. Don't pick supports that have zero recovery and accomplish absolutely nothing in the early game. Is that better worded for you? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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TanKLoveR
Venezuela838 Posts
On July 15 2014 07:06 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: spectre actually has a decent pub winrate and she's not really that useless once she gets her ult up, i think you think of her as harder (i.e. weaker early and midgame) of a carry than she is. That's basically it, in this game it seemed very flexible and good in early game. Sort of reminded me of some old [A] games where Loda's Gyro or whatever was getting very little farm and they made up for it by winning some team fights in the early/mid game. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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