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On July 15 2014 07:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:12 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:00 AwfuL_ wrote:
How's it always iG that ends up with these ridiculously skewed killscores lol Because they keep drafting Chaun Mirana and having their supports not level 6 at fifteen ChuaN has played a really sick Mirana, so it's pretty hard to question that tbh When it works it is great, but when it doesn't you end up with this game. Newbee were prepared and warded the map to deal with it. You can apply that logic to every hero. Please. Don't pick supports that have zero recovery and accomplish absolutely nothing in the early game. Is that better worded for you? ... Your tunnelvisioning so hard here. You think that when iG picked Mirana they wanted her to achieve nothing? No, they had great setup in fissure and entangle. They also roam very well in every game they play. Mirana fits the role perfectly and ChuaN has a reputation for hitting very good arrows. So you going on a rant about drafting Mirana is just bottomline stupid. Mirana is great, especially on ChuaN. Games at ESL One and WPC + online tourneys before TI has proved that. Check Newbees warding that game like I said. They were prepared for it in every lane and it didn't work. He almost picked up a couple kills, but even with those I think they still would have lost the game.
.... lost cause. I'm just gonna leave you to dwell on that.
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On July 15 2014 07:14 lprk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D Hilarious... What about max desolate if you have allies that let you hit things and max dagger if not?
Eh, 4-4-0-1 4 lyf
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On July 15 2014 07:12 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D Hilarious... and u think that playing a lot at a subpar level makes u better ?
Funny thing is that you don't even know on what level I am playing, and fact is that even on highest level a lot of pros have bad skill and item builds.
It really depends from game to game, and you will see a lot of different builds, but saying that maxing dagger is always better is just false.
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maybe a stupid mechanic question: Can Rubick move in a stolen chronosphere? Can Void move?
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On July 15 2014 07:15 Derity wrote:
maybe a stupid mechanic question: Can Rubick move in a stolen chronosphere? Can Void move?
Both can.
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On July 15 2014 07:12 Oddball28 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:00 AwfuL_ wrote:
How's it always iG that ends up with these ridiculously skewed killscores lol Because they keep drafting Chaun Mirana and having their supports not level 6 at fifteen ChuaN has played a really sick Mirana, so it's pretty hard to question that tbh When it works it is great, but when it doesn't you end up with this game. Newbee were prepared and warded the map to deal with it. You can apply that logic to every hero. Please. Don't pick supports that have zero recovery and accomplish absolutely nothing in the early game. Is that better worded for you? ... Your tunnelvisioning so hard here. You think that when iG picked Mirana they wanted her to achieve nothing? No, they had great setup in fissure and entangle. They also roam very well in every game they play. Mirana fits the role perfectly and ChuaN has a reputation for hitting very good arrows. So you going on a rant about drafting Mirana is just bottomline stupid. Mirana is great, especially on ChuaN. Games at ESL One and WPC + online tourneys before TI has proved that.
Neither entangle nor fissure are great setup for a roaming mirana though.
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IG have chance if it is not 430 void and chuan mirana
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On July 15 2014 07:15 Derity wrote:
maybe a stupid mechanic question: Can Rubick move in a stolen chronosphere? Can Void move?
both can
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On July 15 2014 07:14 ch33psh33p wrote:Looks like it
These drafts are so amazing, seeing them play out in response to each of the enemy's picks.
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On July 15 2014 07:15 Orome wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:12 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:00 AwfuL_ wrote:
How's it always iG that ends up with these ridiculously skewed killscores lol Because they keep drafting Chaun Mirana and having their supports not level 6 at fifteen ChuaN has played a really sick Mirana, so it's pretty hard to question that tbh When it works it is great, but when it doesn't you end up with this game. Newbee were prepared and warded the map to deal with it. You can apply that logic to every hero. Please. Don't pick supports that have zero recovery and accomplish absolutely nothing in the early game. Is that better worded for you? ... Your tunnelvisioning so hard here. You think that when iG picked Mirana they wanted her to achieve nothing? No, they had great setup in fissure and entangle. They also roam very well in every game they play. Mirana fits the role perfectly and ChuaN has a reputation for hitting very good arrows. So you going on a rant about drafting Mirana is just bottomline stupid. Mirana is great, especially on ChuaN. Games at ESL One and WPC + online tourneys before TI has proved that. Neither entangle nor fissure are great setup for a roaming mirana though.
Except they are. It's funny how strong hindsight 20/20 is here.
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On July 15 2014 07:15 Derity wrote:
maybe a stupid mechanic question: Can Rubick move in a stolen chronosphere? Can Void move?
both can walk through
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On July 15 2014 07:16 Oddball28 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:15 Orome wrote:On July 15 2014 07:12 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:02 Oddball28 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:00 AwfuL_ wrote:
How's it always iG that ends up with these ridiculously skewed killscores lol Because they keep drafting Chaun Mirana and having their supports not level 6 at fifteen ChuaN has played a really sick Mirana, so it's pretty hard to question that tbh When it works it is great, but when it doesn't you end up with this game. Newbee were prepared and warded the map to deal with it. You can apply that logic to every hero. Please. Don't pick supports that have zero recovery and accomplish absolutely nothing in the early game. Is that better worded for you? ... Your tunnelvisioning so hard here. You think that when iG picked Mirana they wanted her to achieve nothing? No, they had great setup in fissure and entangle. They also roam very well in every game they play. Mirana fits the role perfectly and ChuaN has a reputation for hitting very good arrows. So you going on a rant about drafting Mirana is just bottomline stupid. Mirana is great, especially on ChuaN. Games at ESL One and WPC + online tourneys before TI has proved that. Neither entangle nor fissure are great setup for a roaming mirana though. Except they are.
One is too short, and relies on arrow being already launched for full effect and another one is random as fuck. Does not sound great at all.
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On July 15 2014 07:14 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:13 Targe wrote:On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D Hilarious... dota = game of constant judgements and decisions playing vs pros means good at game ?????? good at judgement Illidan and Iwo must be great at that
good enough to have gone pro
which it seems a lot of people underestimate
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On July 15 2014 07:14 lprk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D Hilarious... What about max desolate if you have allies that let you hit things and max dagger if not?
It still depends a lot on how fights play out because a lot of times "allies that let you hit things" also entails situations where Desolate doesn't trigger till later on in a fight when you're just cleaning up (e.g. Tide, DS, Enigma kind of heroes often end up with you hitting enemies close together rather than spread out individual ones).
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On July 15 2014 07:15 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:15 Derity wrote:
maybe a stupid mechanic question: Can Rubick move in a stolen chronosphere? Can Void move? both can
i think the only difference is void doesnt get bonus speed in rubicks chrono?
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don't get that AM ban at all. Newbee can pick Clinkz for Hao here imo.
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On July 15 2014 07:15 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:15 Derity wrote:
maybe a stupid mechanic question: Can Rubick move in a stolen chronosphere? Can Void move? both can
so rubick better uses it right or not at all
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On July 15 2014 07:14 Diavlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 07:12 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:10 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:09 Ramiz1989 wrote:On July 15 2014 07:07 Erasme wrote:On July 15 2014 07:05 Logo wrote:
The dagger levels seemed really smart in hindsight maybe?
With Lich giving extra XP Spectre has levels so the 200 dmg of dagger comes online pretty quickly and at a point where fights are still blowing up heroes so it's probably more dmg than desolate. always max dagger if you don't want to be a huge useless ass creep for 15min That is the most false statement if I ever saw one, especially as the guy who plays Spectre a lot and tried out a ton of builds with her. this is the truest statement, as a guy who plays against pro with her Oh wow, what a comeback. You think that playing against Pros makes your judgment good? :D Hilarious... You kinda started with the 'I play Specter a lot and tried out a lot of builds"... Can't complain that other use the same argument + playing against pros. Pro players tend to get 3 points in dagger by level 5, 4th point depends on the pro and the game. EDIT: also, no skywrath mage. Finally. And Shadow shaman on Dire...
Synderen just said on the stream that maxing dagger is old skill build, I saw plenty of both builds, saw a lot of 1-4-1-1 builds from Pros and others.
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