On September 02 2012 13:46 Azarkon wrote:
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Na'Vi only took that fight because they had BKB, and what you - and Xiao8 - doesn't understand is that there is 100% zero way to stop an Enigma spamming BKB from popping it off before you're able to disable him off of a Song because of the mechanics of the game.

Siren Song has to be CANCELED before you're able to disable a hero. No human being is capable of coordination so exactly that a person spamming BKBKBKBKBKBKB is not going to get it off before your disable hits.

Song, initiate, stay outside of bhole range, when he bholes net him and cancel the bhole. Suddenly Na'vi is in really bad position. If LOH doesn't use the bhole in that position he will likely die from autos from illusions, etc.

On September 02 2012 13:47 Azarkon wrote:
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He's not mediocre among China's mediocre mid solos, but he is mediocre among the world's top solos.

The fanboy is strong in this one. You probably think Dendi is #1 solo when he's gotten utterly stomped on numerous occasions this tournament (and has lost multiple times in the WB bracket, he just recovers because LOH/Puppey/AA are carrying the fuck out of him early on).

It's obvious to everyone who has eyes by now that Na'Vi was purposefully hiding their excellent form to throw their opponents off in the group stages. They needed to get into the WB but needed to keep attention off of themselves. They accomplished it and mind fucked everyone with better play when the games started mattering.

Example: Xboct farming at Burning-esque level in Game 3 vs. iG. iG being completely owned in lanes and farm that game by every one of Na'Vi's players.

Are you serious? Puppey admitted they weren't playing as well in the group stages. Please get off navis dick and use some logic...

Puppey is lying through his fucking teeth.

You guys are naive. I'm serious. There is $1 million dollars at stake here and you think everybody is just going to play it straight up. They're going to be 100% honest in interviews and totally not try to meta-game the tournament.

Ridiculous. A magician never reveals his tricks. Na'Vi has been planning this since Day 1.

Dude, you do know that after the prelims were done, Navi and Zenith went bootcamping and they actually shared strategies and stuff. Collaborate to defeat the Chinese so to speak. If they were screwing with everyone, why did they bootcamp with Zenith"

I mean Navi has been playing well and Puppey totally outdrafted IG there, but let's not go all conspiracy theories. You think Navi purposely put themselves in the position of almost missing out of the WB?

Xboct did not go from a guy who was not able to last hit at the level of top EU carries into a guy who was able to match Burning in fucking farm with AM in two nights of bootcamping with Zenith.

let me get this straight: because this is such an important tournament, Na'Vi looked at the format and decided that they wanted to just barely get into the winner's bracket, and played like shit on purpose? I watched most of their prelim games, and their wins were just as sloppy as their losses. Your only "evidence" is that Na'Vi is playing much better now. It's not like some people/teams excel under high pressure and know when to pull out the big guns.

Face it: Na'Vi had a rough showing early and now that they've got their shit together they're on a roll. Na'Vi fanboys are having a great day, no need to embellish anything.

I have better evidence than that: Puppey trolling his interviews.

When asked about why he picked Jugg + Enigma second game, he told the interviewer - cause, you know, it was LULZ to pick a Jugg.

Jugg + Enigma is not a strategy you just pull out of a fucking hat. He KNEW what he was doing and Na'Vi 100% practiced this strategy before.

Puppey has been trolling the entire tournament with his interview answers about how bad his team is and how underdogs they are.

Yet they keep on winning, and when they win, they win spectacularly.

These aren't close games. These are stomps. Na'Vi is stomping top Chinese teams.

Yes beating a team 2-1 when the other team made a colossal fuck up is Na'vi stomping people. Where's a god damn TL admin when you need one. The amount of garbage being spewed out from this guy (who is a notorious troll on GG.net) is ridiculous.

I agree with you, but I don't attribute the win to a fuck up by iG or DK. In fact, just look at this and pay attention to Dendi, hahaha.

DK and iG just got outdrafted in my opinion. Not playing against them before TI12 paid well for Na'Vi.

BlackGosu

Canada1046 Posts

September 02 2012 05:51 GMT

#15084

when teams learn to ban AM against burning, they may stand a chance

Varpulis

United States2517 Posts

September 02 2012 05:51 GMT

#15085

rofl "this is rotk from D. can K"

galtdunn

United States977 Posts

September 02 2012 05:52 GMT

#15086

I just wanna say the the analysis part about Zeniths early game plan was spot on. The trilane was supposed to get kills, and iceiceice went exort invoker as a result, but it worked out badly.

Chiharu Harukaze

12112 Posts

September 02 2012 05:52 GMT

#15087

rOTK saying DK will spend the night researching and preparing for the remaining teams, especially Na`Vi.

Frazzlehoon

United States3455 Posts

September 02 2012 05:52 GMT

#15088

Major props to Anderson!
Even though he has had to host so many interviews, he constantly uses different questions. He doesn't just go off a set list and ask the players the same questions over and over. :D

kdgns

United States2427 Posts

September 02 2012 05:52 GMT

#15089

quick trans

Hello i am anderson, after a long day of matches, DK in the last match beats zenith, this is ROTK from DK

Hi, I am ROTK

Q what is your analysis of the game?
A the teamfights were good, we won, so we feel great

Q next round is another chinese team, will you do your homework tonight on the upcoming team?
A of course, just like how navi studied out team very thoroughly, we will prepare fully and spend the night studying for out match

Back to you james

Nilrem

United States3684 Posts

September 02 2012 05:53 GMT

#15090

I see they changed Bruno's info to being, statman haha.

javy_

United States1677 Posts

September 02 2012 05:53 GMT

#15091

LOL 2gd with the jokes

red4ce

United States7313 Posts

September 02 2012 05:53 GMT

#15092

Lol 2nd day of TL covering DotA 2 and there's already a warning on the top of the LR thread.

dmnum

Brazil6910 Posts

September 02 2012 05:53 GMT

#15093

LOL 2gd

Zozo

Brazil2579 Posts

September 02 2012 05:53 GMT

#15094

2gd is a boss lol

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

September 02 2012 05:53 GMT

#15095

On September 02 2012 14:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:

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TA is just really, really good against invoker.

I'm thinking you just need to do something different.

I was theorycrafting a Ice Wall / Cold Snap / Forged Spirits build

Sickkiee

Japan607 Posts

September 02 2012 05:53 GMT

#15096

2GD by far the best multi-game caster. Ever.

shostakovich

Brazil1429 Posts

September 02 2012 05:54 GMT

#15097

I will call right now: if Na'Vi wins the tournament, it'll be an accident. A very happy accident, like finding a treasure buried in a beach, but an accident. It's obvious that the chinese are more prepared and trained. And the good thing is that Na'Vi knows that.

Varpulis

United States2517 Posts

September 02 2012 05:54 GMT

#15098

the analysis desk is comedy gold lol