On March 28 2013 05:17 Sn0_Man wrote: Wait so its liquid vs qpandas right now? I really want to watch that...
yeah, on sheevers stream. Game 1 has been back and forth so far but it feels like qpad didn't draft an answer to PL. If na'vi v kaipi starts it'd probably be worth watching over g1.
On March 28 2013 05:17 Sn0_Man wrote: Wait so its liquid vs qpandas right now? I really want to watch that...
yeah, on sheevers stream. Game 1 has been back and forth so far but it feels like qpad didn't draft an answer to PL. If na'vi v kaipi starts it'd probably be worth watching over g1.
They played pretty well with the heroes they had but they basically got completely outpicked, giving up kotl pl bat like Count9 said, in return for a nyx and... a lifestealer? that hero is so overrated really.
On March 28 2013 05:27 AwfuL_ wrote: They played pretty well with the heroes they had but they basically got completely outpicked, giving up kotl pl bat like Count9 said, in return for a nyx and... a lifestealer? that hero is so overrated really.
Lifestealer can be countered if he gets picked 1st or 2nd. He gets banned out plenty of times in the second banning phase.
On March 28 2013 05:27 AwfuL_ wrote: They played pretty well with the heroes they had but they basically got completely outpicked, giving up kotl pl bat like Count9 said, in return for a nyx and... a lifestealer? that hero is so overrated really.
he really, really isn't. He's pretty much uncontested as the best fighting carry in the game lol, you just need to combo him with mag or lone druid (and push fast) against a PL
On March 28 2013 05:33 AwfuL_ wrote: Yeah, I don't understand why he gets picked so often in the first 3 , esp when giving away bat. Leaves a lot of room for Bane / Beastmaster picks.
bane and beastmaster just mitigate him a little, the hero will still be an incredibly hard to kill, high-damage carry with minimal farm. Honestly, you have to realise bane and beastmaster aren't any 'better' against him than they are against anyone else; they just still work, unlike everything else.
...this liquid draft. Mag/naix/lone druid? They fucking won rofl
really feels like the draft is qpad's biggest weakness. They have some cool ideas, but the consistency and reactivity doesn't really seem to be there, pretty much the opposite of a TC draft.
On March 28 2013 05:27 AwfuL_ wrote: They played pretty well with the heroes they had but they basically got completely outpicked, giving up kotl pl bat like Count9 said, in return for a nyx and... a lifestealer? that hero is so overrated really.
he really, really isn't. He's pretty much uncontested as the best fighting carry in the game lol, you just need to combo him with mag or lone druid (and push fast) against a PL.
Looks like TL agrees with you, which means I'm wrong
Too bad QPanda dont have a PL, only thing that could've saved them here Worst game i've seen QPanda play, some unlucky moments as well, but mostly Liquid playing really good.
That was one of the most severe beatings I've ever watched. QPAD could've legitimately gg'd at like 8 minutes and nobody would've really said they were wrong to do so.
And to think half of that could've been avoided by leaving the base with proper items.. (referring to Waga inexplicably going Quelling Blade instead of Stout Shield on his Alchemist). He'd have survived the first blood attempt with stout, and probably plenty more attempts as well.
Seriously though wow, if Game 1 was bad on the EU server then the game on NA was a complete stomp. Letting Liquid get KotL twice? That Tri lane second game was an embarrassment.
i said this on MAAD this past week. KP has pieliedie, 1 of my favorite support players, and bone7/arise are really good dota 1 players. they are quite legit
On March 28 2013 06:21 Liquid`BuLba wrote: i said this on MAAD this past week. KP has pieliedie, 1 of my favorite support players, and bone7/arise are really good dota 1 players. they are quite legit
I keep expecting at this stage for xboct to go into a really big hp item like a Heart - if he gets his rage off, KP literally need to blow everything on him.
Given XBOCT is looking for items like AC, maelstrom (for push), what items would dendi be looking to get in this situation? Only times I've ever seen doom was by Artstyle.
On March 28 2013 08:15 HaXxorIzed wrote: Given XBOCT is looking for items like AC, maelstrom (for push), what items would dendi be looking to get in this situation? Only times I've ever seen doom was by Artstyle.
On March 28 2013 08:10 crms wrote: i dont like dendi on heroes like doom. Dendi needs play makers not right clickers who have limited big play potential.
I think Kaipi's draft lost them the game... They didn't have a single hero that synergized well with Void, yet they still gave Na'Vi a run because they played so well.
On March 29 2013 03:18 Numy wrote: What was the draft like. Really seems weird to pick spec when you have such weak lanes and the enemy has such strong lanes.
Well they're losing pretty badly...
maybe not if Navi keeps trading kills for no reason.
Yea that's why I'm wondering. This game is going exactly like the draft said it would which is really strange. So wondered if nth somehow thought it would go differently in draft because of some other reason.
EDIT: Maybe they thought Navi would be this silly to get picked off constantly for no reason..
On March 29 2013 03:22 Numy wrote: Yea that's why I'm wondering. This game is going exactly like the draft said it would which is really strange. So wondered if nth somehow thought it would go differently in draft because of some other reason.
EDIT: Maybe they thought Navi would be this silly to get picked off constantly for no reason..
They have been for the past few minutes so that plan might not have been as stupid as you think ^_^ If they could convert these teamfight wins into some towers things might turn around for them.
On March 29 2013 03:22 Numy wrote: Yea that's why I'm wondering. This game is going exactly like the draft said it would which is really strange. So wondered if nth somehow thought it would go differently in draft because of some other reason.
EDIT: Maybe they thought Navi would be this silly to get picked off constantly for no reason..
They have been for the past few minutes so that plan might not have been as stupid as you think ^_^ If they could convert these teamfight wins into some towers things might turn around for them.
Haha that is true. Feels like it's more of a misplay from Navi and nth capitalizing on it really well. There's a clock and a storm yet navi instead of grouping up with their massive lead they were farming solo in places that are easy to initiate on. That's less the spec and more the storm/clock at being really good a punishing positioning mistakes though.
On March 29 2013 03:31 eng.nayR wrote: Na'vi was well on their way to losing this game but dendi just stood and delivered in that fight. Probably turned the game around lol.
What no Navi were still in the lead, they weren't well on their way to losing. Just needed to group up and do a fight like that.
The biggest problem for NTH right now is the damage output of the spectre is too low, that's just how he works, since he got really shafted in lanes and early farm, there's a gigantic window from the midgame extending a large time into the late game in which spec just doesn't have the damage
On March 29 2013 03:32 mordk wrote: The biggest problem for NTH right now is the damage output of the spectre is too low, that's just how he works, since he got really shafted in lanes and early farm, there's a gigantic window from the midgame extending a large time into the late game in which spec just doesn't have the damage
This is why I'm really confused about the pick since spec getting shafted in laning phase was almost a given based on the drafts so they had to have known that. I guess they hoped it wouldn't be as bad as it was and then clock/storm could get pickoffs to create space for spec to catch up. The clock/storm thing did work to some extent(Only reason game lasted so long) but even then it wasn't anywhere near enough
On March 29 2013 03:39 fascistfromhell wrote: What a game.
Dendi played like a god. I don't know if he is better than Yao/Ferrari/Mushi, but he sure showed he is close in terms of talent.
Also, s4 is a beast.
no he didn't
He's definitely not even close . Maybe in raw talent one could say he's close, but his usual playing level is not on par with those players you mentioned.
On March 29 2013 03:39 fascistfromhell wrote: What a game.
Dendi played like a god. I don't know if he is better than Yao/Ferrari/Mushi, but he sure showed he is close in terms of talent.
Also, s4 is a beast.
no he didn't
He's definitely not even close . Maybe in raw talent one could say he's close, but his usual playing level is not on par with those players you mentioned.
He played pretty damn well when it mattered the most. The chinese scene recognize him as one of the best mid players in the world.
I'm not saying he is better than Yao/Ferrari/Mushi. But he has the talent to compete at a high level against them IMO.
But ya know, Dendi fanboys, they are blind, bla bla bla. Whatever.
Tobi's casting the last 2 days has been... not good . Calling this perseverance for a refresher instead of a Battlefury after a MoM is just one of his lesser calls. He didn't even consider a battlebuild.
On March 29 2013 04:14 Nyovne wrote: Tobi's casting the last 2 days has been... not good . Calling this perseverance for a refresher instead of a Battlefury after a MoM is just one of his lesser calls. He didn't even consider a battlebuild.
Oh look, it's a battlefury... And yeah the camera control used to be decent now it's bad. He needs to think from an audience perspective. He's not just casually observing a game by his lonesome.
It amazes me how many teams make bad calls in split push situations. I realize the margin of error here is razor thin, but it is quite comical how many teams lose racks to this when it happens practically every game with these heroes.
Navi just went into heavy troll mode then realized the game isn't as in the bag as they thought I think. Pushing with no tps on your 3 cores seems comically bad.
On March 29 2013 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: It amazes me how many teams make bad calls in split push situations. I realize the margin of error here is razor thin, but it is quite comical how many teams lose racks to this when it happens practically every game with these heroes.
so true. i mean i have no experience and knowledge like these teams but why are you trying to play a long game vs kotl/pl/prophet? if you dont have a huge advantage or won in 20min its gg.
On March 29 2013 04:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: It amazes me how many teams make bad calls in split push situations. I realize the margin of error here is razor thin, but it is quite comical how many teams lose racks to this when it happens practically every game with these heroes.
so true. i mean i have no experience and knowledge like these teams but why are you trying to play a long game vs kotl/pl/prophet? if you dont have a huge advantage or won in 20min its gg.
People aren't trying to play a long game. PL/Prophet make it a long game.
I hate it when the game gets to this point against pl,np and kotl. I feel that if they split push correctly they just can't lose the game unless they do some really bad mistakes.
On March 29 2013 04:35 Daray wrote: I hate it when the game gets to this point against pl,np and kotl. I feel that if they split push correctly they just can't lose the game unless they do some really bad mistakes.
Well they also can't win the game unless Navi makes mistakes. That is the fun part about split push.
On March 29 2013 04:35 Daray wrote: I hate it when the game gets to this point against pl,np and kotl. I feel that if they split push correctly they just can't lose the game unless they do some really bad mistakes.
Well they also can't win the game unless Navi makes mistakes. That is the fun part about split push.
PL's ilusion is like free units, you can keep doing slow damage into the builds.
Also, too boring for me, can't handle with tobi cast. When a game went full farm and Godz is casting is a pleasure to watch, but with tobi is so annoying.
On March 29 2013 04:35 Daray wrote: I hate it when the game gets to this point against pl,np and kotl. I feel that if they split push correctly they just can't lose the game unless they do some really bad mistakes.
Well they also can't win the game unless Navi makes mistakes. That is the fun part about split push.
PL's ilusion is like free units, you can keep doing slow damage into the builds.
Also, too boring for me, can't handle with tobi cast. When a game went full farm and Godz is casting is a pleasure to watch, but with tobi is so annoying.
They can't commit to the racks unless Navi is pushing their base though. The only reason they lost their racks in the first place is because Navi failed at pushing. Now they are even farther behind yes, but that is just because they gave away their advantage earlier on due to a very ill advised push.
On March 29 2013 04:45 Vankuga wrote: This isn't Dendi's day.
When he plays mag it's never his day.
Yeah i hate it that they've been picking Mag for him a lot lately... definitely not his hero and i think they've been doing much better when he's on other heroes aswell :F
This series is a great example of why people get upset when you say Dendi is best mid. He can be but he can also hurt his team horribly. Wasting RP on treants when they were in the lead and doing a big push was huge. Then dying alone with aegis for no reason when they wanted to push rax was huge again. They needed him and he let them down.
It's still extremely boring to watch, and I dislike that style too much to applaud them. Admiral was great on the Orchids etc, but bleh. Infestor Broodlord-esque.
On March 29 2013 04:45 teapoted wrote: I think the Admiral is due for a promotion.
There is no rank higher than Admiral, so good for him. Edit: maybe Fleet Admiral Bulldog?
Isn't "General" higher, than Admiral? At least here in germany it's like that iirc, but then again there's nothing similar to admiral. Was long time ago I knew that. But he played pretty boss, yea.
On March 29 2013 04:45 teapoted wrote: I think the Admiral is due for a promotion.
There is no rank higher than Admiral, so good for him. Edit: maybe Fleet Admiral Bulldog?
Isn't "General" higher, than Admiral? At least here in germany it's like that iirc, but then again there's nothing similar to admiral. Was long time ago I knew that. But he played pretty boss, yea.
I thought Admiral is more of a Navy term eg. Admiral of a fleet. Similar standing to a General of an Army.
On March 29 2013 04:50 broodmann wrote: I'm not a big Dota fan but I really enjoyed that game. Whats the point in having a windrunner btw?
WR is overall an extremely versatile hero, and also requires few items to be effective at a given role. This means she can solo a hard lane and even win it (played by a good enough player), she can support a trilane, just pull for a carry or roam the map for ganks, all very effectively. In the late game she has powerful anti-push that fits perfectly into a split push type of lineup, considering you will have at all times 1 or 2 heroes that aren't immediately cooperating with defense, as was the case with NTH's lineup in this game.
In a draft, she's often a strong mid draft pick solely for the fact that she says so little about what your draft is about, overall a sort of jack of all trades hero, she's good at everything and can fit into almost any type of lineup, but excels at pretty much nothing.
On March 29 2013 04:45 teapoted wrote: I think the Admiral is due for a promotion.
There is no rank higher than Admiral, so good for him. Edit: maybe Fleet Admiral Bulldog?
Isn't "General" higher, than Admiral? At least here in germany it's like that iirc, but then again there's nothing similar to admiral. Was long time ago I knew that. But he played pretty boss, yea.
General and Admiral have the same pay grade in America (O-10). Basically they're the same rank, but the Navy has admirals whereas the other three branches have Generals. Just different names for the same thing.
On March 29 2013 04:56 JohnHarr wrote: The top three positions in the Navy(at least the U.S. Navy) are Rear Admiral, then Admiral, and finally Fleet Admiral.
This isn't true. Fleet admiral hasn't been used in a very long time (like WW2) and you're missing Vice Admiral. Nobody has been a five star in any branch of the US military in a long time.
On March 29 2013 04:56 JohnHarr wrote: The top three positions in the Navy(at least the U.S. Navy) are Rear Admiral, then Admiral, and finally Fleet Admiral.
On March 29 2013 04:45 teapoted wrote: I think the Admiral is due for a promotion.
There is no rank higher than Admiral, so good for him. Edit: maybe Fleet Admiral Bulldog?
Isn't "General" higher, than Admiral? At least here in germany it's like that iirc, but then again there's nothing similar to admiral. Was long time ago I knew that. But he played pretty boss, yea.
I thought Admiral is more of a Navy term eg. Admiral of a fleet. Similar standing to a General of an Army.
Thats how it is in the Canadian Military (which is a take on the British, if I recall) - Admiral and General are the same rank, just different element. There is nothing higher than those, other than appointments/titles (which isnt really ranks)
On March 29 2013 05:42 neurosx wrote: Sooooooo can anyone tell me why Trixi won't build mkb ? he's spending like twice the time he'd need to kill Luna-.-
He generally kills him during Hex so he doesn't really need MKB.
On March 29 2013 05:42 neurosx wrote: Sooooooo can anyone tell me why Trixi won't build mkb ? he's spending like twice the time he'd need to kill Luna-.-
Ah liquid looking so awesome! I am really hoping they completely crush NTH. 'MERICA!!
For reals though, I love the bulba/korok combo. TC is such a steady performer, if bulba/korok are having off games it isn't an auto-loss. If they are on a roll, then the game just becomes a stomp.
On March 29 2013 07:08 SFC wrote: Thats a lot of push, wonder if there will be a BM last pick
edit: noooope
Thought the same. But looks my prediction was doomed to fail. :x
Yeah, thought they might want to go full out push. Pretty amazing H4nn1 called the Doom, though I suppose they scrim and play against Nth so he has a better idea of what they like to run
On March 29 2013 07:08 SFC wrote: Thats a lot of push, wonder if there will be a BM last pick
edit: noooope
Thought the same. But looks my prediction was doomed to fail. :x
Yeah, thought they might want to go full out push. Pretty amazing H4nn1 called the Doom, though I suppose they scrim and play against Nth so he has a better idea of what they like to run
They ran it earlier today, so seems to be something they like. They had chen that time as well, so they seem to think doom is good in push strats.
On March 29 2013 07:08 SFC wrote: Thats a lot of push, wonder if there will be a BM last pick
edit: noooope
Thought the same. But looks my prediction was doomed to fail. :x
Yeah, thought they might want to go full out push. Pretty amazing H4nn1 called the Doom, though I suppose they scrim and play against Nth so he has a better idea of what they like to run
They ran it earlier today, so seems to be something they like. They had chen that time as well, so they seem to think doom is good in push strats.
Ahh okay I didn't see that game. I guess aura from chen creeps plus doom devour and early vlads would be pretty good for pushing.
On March 29 2013 07:37 eqez wrote: wtf how is nth winning this?
stronger midgame draft
theyre gonna drop off a cliff if they dont make things happen soon though
On March 29 2013 07:40 SKC wrote: I really feel like this lineup had potential if Nth hadn't played so poorly early game. Those couple of failed ganks really hurt them.
Loda didn't use Doom and was out of mana. He really can't wait that much while getting hit by PL, could have changed the fight.
that was a bad move, he wanted to force plays so his teammates could do something but ended up getting burnt hard and they couldnt push anymore :/
On March 29 2013 07:40 SKC wrote: I really feel like this lineup had potential if Nth hadn't played so poorly early game. Those couple of failed ganks really hurt them.
Loda didn't use Doom and was out of mana. He really can't wait that much while getting hit by PL, could have changed the fight.
It does have a lot of potential. Watch iG vs. Chainstack where it's pretty much the same lineup except with an invoker over doom.
On March 29 2013 07:40 SKC wrote: I really feel like this lineup had potential if Nth hadn't played so poorly early game. Those couple of failed ganks really hurt them.
Loda didn't use Doom and was out of mana. He really can't wait that much while getting hit by PL, could have changed the fight.
It does have a lot of potential. Watch iG vs. Chainstack where it's pretty much the same lineup except with an invoker over doom.
It really does as we can see. Jugger + Chen, etc. push isn't really new, and I felt Doom actually worked well it with. iG also is just plain better than Chainstack, Nth and TL are pretty much on the same level.
On March 29 2013 07:40 SKC wrote: I really feel like this lineup had potential if Nth hadn't played so poorly early game. Those couple of failed ganks really hurt them.
Loda didn't use Doom and was out of mana. He really can't wait that much while getting hit by PL, could have changed the fight.
It does have a lot of potential. Watch iG vs. Chainstack where it's pretty much the same lineup except with an invoker over doom.
It really does as we can see. Jugger + Chen, etc. push isn't really new, and I felt Doom actually worked well it with. iG also is just plain better than Chainstack, Nth and TL are pretty much on the same level.
Doesn't doom prevent PL from making illusions? That sounds like an excellent reason to pick him regardless.
On March 29 2013 07:40 SKC wrote: I really feel like this lineup had potential if Nth hadn't played so poorly early game. Those couple of failed ganks really hurt them.
Loda didn't use Doom and was out of mana. He really can't wait that much while getting hit by PL, could have changed the fight.
It does have a lot of potential. Watch iG vs. Chainstack where it's pretty much the same lineup except with an invoker over doom.
It really does as we can see. Jugger + Chen, etc. push isn't really new, and I felt Doom actually worked well it with. iG also is just plain better than Chainstack, Nth and TL are pretty much on the same level.
Wasn't it complexity that ran it prior to TI2? A lot of omni in that as well.
On March 29 2013 07:40 SKC wrote: I really feel like this lineup had potential if Nth hadn't played so poorly early game. Those couple of failed ganks really hurt them.
Loda didn't use Doom and was out of mana. He really can't wait that much while getting hit by PL, could have changed the fight.
It does have a lot of potential. Watch iG vs. Chainstack where it's pretty much the same lineup except with an invoker over doom.
It really does as we can see. Jugger + Chen, etc. push isn't really new, and I felt Doom actually worked well it with. iG also is just plain better than Chainstack, Nth and TL are pretty much on the same level.
Doesn't doom prevent PL from making illusions? That sounds like an excellent reason to pick him regardless.
You have to hit the right PL though, I think he only managed to use doom on PL on that last fight, but I wasn't watching that closely. PL illusions should also keep replicating by themselfs as well.
That was hilarious when all of Nth banging on Ancient and Liquid dealt no damage.
Although yeah, after Nth's failed early-game with a pushing line-up Liquid really should have won. Well played Nth. People can talk about throws all day, but would every team have come back given the chances Nth got? Doubt it.
I think Korok should have just waited until he had RP unless he had to jump in, he couldn't do anything in that fight and just died. Spamming shockwave would have been more effective than charging in and dying :\
Should clock have ulted the bear instead of the two heroes in the last fight? s4 was dead and the bear was by far the biggest damage dealer onto the ancient.
On March 29 2013 07:59 Appendix wrote: Should clock have ulted the bear instead of the two heroes in the last fight? s4 was dead and the bear was by far the biggest damage dealer onto the ancient.
Probably, the Bear must have dealt more damage to the ancient than the rest of the team combined.
But presumably he had 2 bears, so you'd have to focus AB.
Not gonna talk about nth but why do i keep seeing western teams hated heart on PL?
to be fair once he got the butterfly he solo'd both Jugg and LD w/bear
and that's with omnislash
so appearently butterfly is a better choice if you're looking to man up
1400hp PL with that economy, i dont think there is an excuse behind that. Heart is so crucial on PL, once you got it you almost render all the oppo supports useless in team fight.
Not gonna talk about nth but why do i keep seeing western teams hated heart on PL?
to be fair once he got the butterfly he solo'd both Jugg and LD w/bear
and that's with omnislash
so appearently butterfly is a better choice if you're looking to man up
1400hp PL with that economy, i dont think there is an excuse behind that. Heart is so crucial on PL, once you got it you almost render all the oppo supports useless in team fight.
yeah, I know. Heart is better for laying siege, where you can batter the other team with a constant stream of illusions - but TC had to do something, and he had to do it fast. He knew Jugg/LD didn't have MKB so he went for the butterfly and manned up - I'm pretty sure that if had gotten the heart he would've died there pretty quickly in the 1vs2.
actually heart is better for teamfights and fighting heroes in general whereas butterfly is better for pushing - for pushing you just want dps whereas for battling you want your illusions to survive. They become really difficult to kill with the heart, that's the main strenght. PL really isn't all that scary in teamfights if a single AoE spell can kill all of his illusions as was the case here.
Furthermore, as he knew that Doom would render him completely useless and because PL is the best splitpusher in the game, he really shouldn't have been fighting in the first place.
On March 29 2013 08:06 Shikyo wrote: actually heart is better for teamfights and fighting heroes in general whereas butterfly is better for pushing - for pushing you just want dps whereas for battling you want your illusions to survive. They become really difficult to kill with the heart, that's the main strenght. PL really isn't all that scary in teamfights if a single AoE spell can kill all of his illusions as was the case here.
Furthermore, as he knew that Doom would render him completely useless and because PL is the best splitpusher in the game, he really shouldn't have been fighting in the first place.
Are you the real Shikyo??? Someone please report shikyo account is stolen/hacked!!xD and ya pretty much like that.
The thing is very simple, you won't be able to keep making dps output in team fight with that 1400hp, one round of spells focusing down from nth and he is done.
Theses are the 2 dumbest carries in the game against each other... Both with the "I'm gonna oneshot the whole team, lol" style. Lategame is going to be super awkward and random.
Vanguard on Kunkka was a quite common old school build IIRC. I ussually like the glass gannon build more, but for this game it really seems like he needs a little more health and their playstyle isn't really the same as when Sing plays him for example.
On March 29 2013 08:37 duoform wrote: Is H4nn1 speaking English or HoNish? "He wants to be the the tanky..." what is that supposed to mean? It's like the third time he says it.
The thing is they just cannot kill anyone because of the boat. I'll sound like some whiny fanboy now, but that ulti is actually so OP if you think about it. It has a 60/50/40 second cd as well.
Korok mag isn't that good..Gets caught way too often.
That first game..Heartbreaking to see TC Carry so hardcore and then lose ...Windrunner really has no Place in todays Metagame...There are much better heroes in almost everything she does
Not really depressed tbh. Both teams played pretty well (although TL felt like TC+4 at times).
But nth's 5man Chen-centered drafts are just really smart and they execute them very well, making them extremely hard to play around. Teams will either need to start banning out Chen, draft something that completely stomps their early game, or pick a ridiculous teamfight lineup themselves.
Used to really dislike this team for their boring ass playstyle but they're slowly winning me over ever since S4 started drafting. Still not liking Bulldog's approach to the game though.
It isn't just down to Korok. As Awful says, it was for the most part TC that hit the day, while people such as Bulba for once made little impact. Even in semis, but it was enough there.
Nth was better across the board, and deserved to win, even if I am still stunned TL lost game 1 in final. Think that broke TLs confidence, as they were on the verge on being overconfident due to a awesome start in game 1, with clutch executions. At least that is how I see it.
Second place is still pretty awesome and there were many good teams playing extremely well in this tournament.
Ugh, their coordination just wasn't on point. I usually ignore everything Tobi says but he was right that Korok and TC's ults were just not aligned at all.
In total they are 109 games, 76-33. For 0.697 win rate.
Removing the chen games results in 86 games with stats 56-30. For 0.65 win rate. Or a drop of 4-5% win rate. Not all that major considering the smallish sample size.
Just saw the games ... T_T... TL fighting... was depresed today initially... Am starting to really root for you guys... just play the same... love you guys! Maybe a Jakiro pick up rather than windrunner might have been better?