EPTG-1 League EU/NA Qualifiers - Page 52
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SoundProof
Sweden99 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8091 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:07 Yoshi- wrote: So when Veno still would have had a "huge" impact, which word would you use to describe the impact of Ursa? From the 10 heroes in the game, Veno was may the only hero that either team could afford losing. If KP would have lost another hero, it would have had a much higher impact than it had now. I don't really agree at all, it was KP's only hero with any real pushing power and a teamfight ult. I'd wager that they could have closed it out faster if bane had dropped, simply because empire wouldn't be able to contest a heart aegis ursa + mag + veno push as underfarmed as they were. And either way, that's not what you said. The veno was much stronger than the lesh, or rubick, or anyone on empire's side basically; he was a big influence, and KP 100% could have lost that game simply because he wasn't there. That they didn't came down to good play on KP's part rather than their lead carrying them through | ||
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sCFade
307 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:00 Yoshi- wrote: Okay this is getting ridicoulous, is this some new kind if iliteracy that spreads in high speed? I never said that the gold makes up for the loss of veno, I said that the loss of Veno didn't have much impact on the game at this point. You said it "wasn't that bad" that Veno was gone because they got extra gold from towers and Roshan. No. Veno is a very important part of an Ursa lineup, given his ability to slow the entire enemy team. What you're saying makes no sense, at all. His importance was made obvious in the few teamfights that weren't a clusterfuck for Empire, where only the fact that Ursa was immensely more farmed allowed him to last through all the kiting. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
But this is G-1. I hope that they take this seriously. VP losing wasn't a surprise to me. They get overly aggressive and get picked off, then lose their advantage and lose from it. Empire has been god awful recently. EG losing, despite their d/cs and what not also wasn't a surprise. I think it has to come from Stage 2 to see where the surprises come from. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:19 Seraphic wrote: Ya Empire is just not reliable anymore. They draft weird, their execution is off. I won't ever count out Na'Vi if something important is on the line, but I do agree. It would depend on how they see things, and with Puppey, lol you just never know. Dendi was tweeting they let mouze get KotL and PL to practice against it. But this is G-1. I hope that they take this seriously. VP losing wasn't a surprise to me. They get overly aggressive and get picked off, then lose their advantage and lose from it. Empire has been god awful recently. EG losing, despite their d/cs and what not also wasn't a surprise. I think it has to come from Stage 2 to see where the surprises come from. Scandal just doesn't seem fit for the offlane role. IMO it would have been much better to just get Vigoss to play offlane and let Scandal stay mid. The loss of Funn1k really hurts them on that front. e: although in general their drafting and decision making lately has been questionable, and that's not even because of Funn1k's absence. | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:19 Seraphic wrote: Ya Empire is just not reliable anymore. They draft weird, their execution is off. I won't ever count out Na'Vi if something important is on the line, but I do agree. It would depend on how they see things, and with Puppey, lol you just never know. Dendi was tweeting they let mouze get KotL and PL to practice against it. But this is G-1. I hope that they take this seriously. VP losing wasn't a surprise to me. They get overly aggressive and get picked off, then lose their advantage and lose from it. Empire has been god awful recently. EG losing, despite their d/cs and what not also wasn't a surprise. I think it has to come from Stage 2 to see where the surprises come from. mouz beating vp was a pretty big offset in my book, but other than that i agree. nothing that surprising in round one. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:25 hfglgg wrote: mouz beating vp was a pretty big offset in my book, but other than that i agree. nothing that surprising in round one. Ya but mouz does have Black. And he is, by most people's account anyway, the best carry in the West by a big margin. So, them winning isn't like a huge shock either. | ||
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pedrlz
Brazil5234 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:36 pedrlz wrote: Sorry, but anyone could say what pick happened? Ursa, Magnus, Venon for Kaipi? Ursa/mag/veno/clock/bane for KP Leshrac/Sylla/Wr/Naix/Rubick for Empire | ||
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LDdota
United States1465 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:14 Scaramanga wrote: The leauge admins really need to take some action. It's no good waiting till something arises for them to act. While they can't fix the problem, they can make sure that the players are protected against ddos attacks and that the issues that have happened are looked into. I want them to come back with reasons for the dc's and plans to fix it so it doesn't happen again, imo their current response isn't good enough players have been constantly told and linked about how to protect vs DDOS, most are either lazy or have a mentality that "it happened to them, but won't happen to me". -Godz ninja'ing ld's account | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:50 LDdota wrote: I'm curious why no one is talking about the fact that the actual server went down. And yesterday, didn't an entire team drop?players have been constantly told and linked about how to protect vs DDOS, most are either lazy or have a mentality that "it happened to them, but won't happen to me". I'd still like some proof that DDoS is the problem here. And even if it is, that would imply that Valve's servers are being attacked. And people can protect themselves all they want, if the servers can be easily fucked with it doesn't matter. | ||
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Testuser
6469 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:50 LDdota wrote: players have been constantly told and linked about how to protect vs DDOS, most are either lazy or have a mentality that "it happened to them, but won't happen to me". -Godz ninja'ing ld's account Hi Goz, thanks for casting and informing us! It's a shame that such things happen, and if the players are warned beforehand and told how they can possibly prevent it, then it makes no sense to blame the admins. Let's just hope we wont have to worry about such things again! | ||
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the`postman
United States1643 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:52 teapoted wrote: I'm curious why no one is talking about the fact that the actual server went down. And yesterday, didn't an entire team drop? I'd still like some proof that DDoS is the problem here. And even if it is, that would imply that Valve's servers are being attacked. And people can protect themselves all they want, if the servers can be easily fucked with it doesn't matter. People are assuming ddos because yesterday maelk's entire internet went out, today pieliedie's entire internet went out, don't know exactly what happened with NTH the day before. This coincided with valve servers being terrible the past few days. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:14 Scaramanga wrote: The leauge admins really need to take some action. It's no good waiting till something arises for them to act. While they can't fix the problem, they can make sure that the players are protected against ddos attacks and that the issues that have happened are looked into. I want them to come back with reasons for the dc's and plans to fix it so it doesn't happen again, imo their current response isn't good enough I'm pretty sure that the admins are getting more strict on their time limit enforcement and will basically tell the teams that they were warned about it. Going forward, we may see more 4v5 if teams don't do anything about it. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:58 the`postman wrote: Even if it is then the bigger problems today are still caused by the servers.People are assuming ddos because yesterday maelk's entire internet went out, today pieliedie's entire internet went out, don't know exactly what happened with NTH the day before. This coincided with valve servers being terrible the past few days. | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On April 15 2013 21:02 teapoted wrote: Even if it is then the bigger problems today are still caused by the servers. no, the drop and reload was caused by the servers; the extensive pause and loss of veno were from the internet issues that people speculate as ddos'ing | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On April 15 2013 20:32 Seraphic wrote: Ya but mouz does have Black. And he is, by most people's account anyway, the best carry in the West by a big margin. So, them winning isn't like a huge shock either. Black^ is becoming more like Burning, which is to say you always have a chance if you have Black^ on your team. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
One thing is player responsibility, one thing is something people can't do shit about. Server problems are a bigger deal. And how often do we see drops like that in competitive games? Almost never, the times we see forced reloads is when 1 person can't reconnect or something because of updates. I don't even remember the last time I saw everyone drop from the server. It's awfully coincidental. | ||
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pedrlz
Brazil5234 Posts
Black s4 Kuroky Smile +offlane, I can't choose Edit: just realized that we have a contest about it in another thread haha | ||
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