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ViZe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1513 Posts
August 09 2013 21:21 GMT
#1441
lots of dudes in that crowd
Cocacooh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1510 Posts
August 09 2013 21:21 GMT
#1442
dull draft
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2709 Posts
August 09 2013 21:22 GMT
#1443
Why arent they talking about push lineup. Will burning even get a bf this game?
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 09 2013 21:22 GMT
#1444
On August 10 2013 06:20 hifriend wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:18 nojok wrote:
Does loda play naga?

He does. He played it at star ladder playoffs I think.

Thank you.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
August 09 2013 21:22 GMT
#1445
s4 dk.... not a pace setter hero. too bad he's totally banned out.... this may be trouble.....
Oppa feeding style
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
August 09 2013 21:22 GMT
#1446
On August 10 2013 06:18 Asha` wrote:
[image loading]

That TL shield is pretty fucking awesome

i would like to have that TL banner in the background
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 09 2013 21:22 GMT
#1447
On August 10 2013 06:21 TheYango wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:15 SKC wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:13 TheYango wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:10 Kuroeeah wrote:
On August 10 2013 06:06 TheYango wrote:
Draft was not what lost DK that game, 2009 was saying that if it was 2 nameless teams and not Alliance vs. DK, DK's draft would be 70/30 against Alliance's draft.

Alliance recognized what was important that game and executed well. They made good trades when DK had the advantage, and capitalized on DK's mistakes. The gem loss near Rosh where s4 lasso-ed ROTK from under 4 DK players' noses was absolutely game changing.

i think it was few things. the xp advantage was important honestly, i don't know why LD and Lumi were saying it didn't matter when the reality was that the supports of Alliance were near level 20 and DK were like at level 12 and i didn't feel super contributed at all in terms of damage.

linkin might not have been a bad choice but i don't think going both bkb and linkin was smart when you sacrifice any going items that can give damage.

Again, that was entirely a product of the lost gem at the Rosh pit. When you lose all your wards on the map, your supports can't do anything but wait behind the carries because you simply cannot farm enough to be worth the risk of a solo kill on you turning into a free tower or Roshan. The gold/XP graphs were reasonably close until DK lost their gem, at which point Alliance's advantage skyrocketed because Batrider + Furion + took enemy's gem locks down the entire map.

DK basically lost that gem for free too because I don't think they'd done anything to Alliance's vision when they lost it.

I think the big mistake that cost them the game was that fight at the ancients. That was the thing that allowed Loda to almost catch up to Alchemist in farm, NP to close the gap and prevented Alchemist from getting that absurd gold advantage he can get while freefarming with a BF.

That fight was engaged really sloppily. DK basically was too antsy about not giving up Super for free (I don't think they'd seen s4's Force Staff yet, or if they did, didn't expect him to use Force to break Linken's like that, so he thought he was much safer than he was). Burning TPed in with basically no mana so he couldn't actually do anything before giving up his Aegis for free, and then they decided to fight a 4v5 with Super unable to BB into the fight and Burning giving up his Aegis for free.

I was talking about that early fight where DK tried to steal Alliance's ancients.
JP Dayne
Profile Joined June 2013
538 Posts
August 09 2013 21:22 GMT
#1448
I like NA! not sure about chen tho...

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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
August 09 2013 21:22 GMT
#1449
MAGIC SUCKS

LETS GO
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
LeCruci
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania403 Posts
August 09 2013 21:22 GMT
#1450
chinese don't learn...na'vi and alliance don't loose to 4p1 anymore...would be surprised if dk win this
Jabbo
Profile Joined April 2011
21 Posts
August 09 2013 21:22 GMT
#1451
DK made the same mistake as in game one....they will be fat on AM, while Alliance will be fat on all heroes lategame.
and if they dont defend properly there will be no lategame.
4mgg
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland373 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 21:24:07
August 09 2013 21:22 GMT
#1452
I'm scared for DK.. Alliances early push is so strong with late game protected with Alchemist. Sure Chen is going to fall off, but Alchemist and Dragon Knight are preeetty strong.

You lose more than 1 hero after 15 minutes and you can be sure to lose an objective as well, be it wards, roshan, towers, forced to back off from farming or what not.

EDIT: Not to mention prophet and if it goes very very late.. naga.
PL #4 fan
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
August 09 2013 21:23 GMT
#1453
On August 10 2013 06:20 dmnum wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:17 Kittan wrote:
"OK guys, now we switch carries and see what happens"

As much as I love Burning, Loda will own his ass this game.

loda can't hold a candle to burning

My compendium has both and it disagrees ;D Also last game he had close to Burning's GPM without Greevil's greed.

So yeah, he is like Black^, the Burning of the West, only he can actually go toe to toe with his adversary.

Give me a g3!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288 <--- How I fell in love with a man, a team, a game and a website in a single day... | "There are no false gods, there is only the Emperor, and Choi Yun Sung is his prophet." -> Zona 40k
Makenshi
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden2105 Posts
August 09 2013 21:23 GMT
#1454
time to follow burning ingame thank god for 2 screens
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 09 2013 21:23 GMT
#1455
I'm so fucking tired I've fallen asleep after the first game and woke up for pick/bans for 2nd game, lol.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
August 09 2013 21:23 GMT
#1456
On August 10 2013 06:21 kaztah wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:19 TheYango wrote:
BH is quite good against Furion, the problem is that YYF is the only outstanding Chinese BH. Yao and ROTK are both pretty bad with the hero, in part because the two are not very good at finding ways to influence the game when they're level 1/2 and the enemy team has their off-lane totally under control.

Which is probably the hero bulldog would've played if they had picked prophet to deny it for alliance


That's what they should be doing tho..The 1 game Bulldog played the BH the game was extended to 60 minutes and Alliance nearly lost
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
Sisaroth
Profile Joined May 2011
Belgium591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 21:23:32
August 09 2013 21:23 GMT
#1457
On August 10 2013 06:18 Asha` wrote:
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That TL shield is pretty fucking awesome


Should be a custom item set for dragon knight (in red maybe to fit the color scheme).
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 09 2013 21:23 GMT
#1458
I'm not sure I really "get" Alliance's draft here.

I guess they'll show me something.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 21:25:32
August 09 2013 21:23 GMT
#1459
On August 10 2013 06:21 Mataza wrote:
New meta should be "4 force staff 1" instead of "4 protect 1"
Alliance are getting farm on everyone, why are people still starving their supports.

People say this as if it's intentional, it's not.

Every single team knows how much farmed supports are worth in the current game. The trouble is that when you draft weaker map control heroes in exchange for stronger teamfight, and then lose a gem, it is very hard for your supports to find farm.

Your supports' tempo also gets completely crushed when they fail 2 smoke ganks in a row early game like they did. That has nothing to do with not valuing farm on supports, just to do with poor gank execution.

Alliance's supports get farm because supports get farmed when their team is winning and when their team has map control. Again, no team in this tournament has yet put Alliance far enough behind to the point where the supports actually have to sacrifice their farm that hard, which is why it looks like Alliance somehow values support farm more than everyone else.
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ChaosArcher
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany956 Posts
August 09 2013 21:24 GMT
#1460
On August 10 2013 06:20 BlueFlames wrote:
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On August 10 2013 06:18 Asha` wrote:
[image loading]

That TL shield is pretty fucking awesome


It is, but i read to much 9gag and imediatly thing about "protect my virginity" posts :-p


at least I'm not the only one.

Shield still really legit though
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