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On August 10 2013 06:05 graNite wrote:
im new to dota, can somebody tell me why they always rely on a single very strong hero instead of having 3-4 strong heroes?
I cant figure why you would put all eggs into one basket?! if the opponent team has one hero you fear, you disable him and then you can clear the map? also, why are some heroes still farming if they have enough money to buy back and the items they want to have? why not let the lesser developed heroes get the kills to make them strong, too?
hero growth is exponential
the stronger you get, the faster you farm. the more you have to farm also the way items itemize damage scales pretty exponentially as well. so if you were to grow 3-4 heroes, they'd be weaker than 1
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Theres like 50 production people working on this O_O
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To be honest, i have never seen this kind of thing in any other e-sports event at all.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Alliance too good. It's going take a curveball to take them down. Only Na'Vi is capable of doing it, imo. If it's gonna work, I'm not sure, but it should be an amazing game when thy finally meet.
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just me that's blown away by the truck and also the backstage from earlier? O_O
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On August 10 2013 06:05 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:03 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 06:01 Comeh wrote:On August 10 2013 06:01 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 05:59 Comeh wrote:On August 10 2013 05:59 DDie wrote:On August 10 2013 05:57 Comeh wrote:
Admiral Bulldog pretty much won the game for Alliance - if that wasn't a NP, DK would have pushed to win that game a long time ago.
Also holy shit those forcestaffs. That's pretty much every game of alliance, to be honest, his prophet is WAY stronger than LD. After the armlet nerf, I don't see any reason to ban LD over NP against Alliance anymore. Bulldog wins lanes he has no business winning with LD. You cannot allow it to go through or he gets an 18 minute midas Radience. LD wins lanes, sometimes. NP wins games. NP won this game for alliance - the split push meant DK couldn't teamfight comfortably. You realize that you could probably tri-lane against Bulldog's LD and end up losing the lane? That's how good his LD is. You cannot possibly allow anything like that to happen. You realize that bulldog might have gotten decent farm that game with LD, but DK's lane was THAT strong for a LD (might have forced a LD jungle), and that LD can't split push anywhere the amount that a NP can? Burning would have had similar farm, and LD can't stop teamfights like a NP can.
The draft would have been completely different if there was NP ban instead. Talking about it as if you could just swap NP for LD is meaningless
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Thats a ton of people for production. Amazing
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On August 10 2013 06:05 graNite wrote:
im new to dota, can somebody tell me why they always rely on a single very strong hero instead of having 3-4 strong heroes?
I cant figure why you would put all eggs into one basket?! if the opponent team has one hero you fear, you disable him and then you can clear the map? also, why are some heroes still farming if they have enough money to buy back and the items they want to have? why not let the lesser developed heroes get the kills to make them strong, too?
Outdated gameplan in my opinion. I think that having around 3 strong heroes is far stronger than just 1 superbuff one.
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On August 10 2013 06:05 Firebolt145 wrote:
Yo, every other tournament in the world. Watch this and learn, please.
Well Valve's got dem moneys.
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United States47024 Posts
Draft was not what lost DK that game, 2009 was saying that if it was 2 nameless teams and not Alliance vs. DK, DK's draft would be 70/30 against Alliance's draft.
Alliance recognized what was important that game and executed well. They made good trades when DK had the advantage, and capitalized on DK's mistakes. The gem loss near Rosh where s4 lasso-ed ROTK from under 4 DK players' noses was absolutely game changing.
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On August 10 2013 06:05 AimForTheBushes wrote:
I've never even heard of this Team Truck... they seem to be a little bit old for gamers. Did they even qualify? I haven't seen any of their games..
Qualify? they're the final boss, noob
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On August 10 2013 06:04 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:02 Scio wrote:On August 10 2013 06:01 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 05:59 Comeh wrote:On August 10 2013 05:59 DDie wrote:On August 10 2013 05:57 Comeh wrote:
Admiral Bulldog pretty much won the game for Alliance - if that wasn't a NP, DK would have pushed to win that game a long time ago.
Also holy shit those forcestaffs. That's pretty much every game of alliance, to be honest, his prophet is WAY stronger than LD. After the armlet nerf, I don't see any reason to ban LD over NP against Alliance anymore. Bulldog wins lanes he has no business winning with LD. You cannot allow it to go through or he gets an 18 minute midas Radience. Didnt he set a "world record" in professional dota for his midas radiance in an earlier TI3 game? I think it was something like 14mins..... It was like 16:30, can you guys always stop moving the times forward multiple minutes for every radiance? He also had 100% freefarm 1v0 and I doubt that his lasthitting ability is the reason to ban. If he gets 100% free 1v0 lasthits with Spectre he gets a midas radi at exactly the same time -> spectre permaban vs admiralbulldog?
Do you realise why i worded what i said the way i said it? It was because i wasnt exactly sure at what time he got his radiance. I was not trying to hype Bulldog more than he deserved :/
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Really impressive stuff. Must be expensive as fu**.
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On August 10 2013 06:06 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 06:05 Comeh wrote:On August 10 2013 06:03 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 06:01 Comeh wrote:On August 10 2013 06:01 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 05:59 Comeh wrote:On August 10 2013 05:59 DDie wrote:On August 10 2013 05:57 Comeh wrote:
Admiral Bulldog pretty much won the game for Alliance - if that wasn't a NP, DK would have pushed to win that game a long time ago.
Also holy shit those forcestaffs. That's pretty much every game of alliance, to be honest, his prophet is WAY stronger than LD. After the armlet nerf, I don't see any reason to ban LD over NP against Alliance anymore. Bulldog wins lanes he has no business winning with LD. You cannot allow it to go through or he gets an 18 minute midas Radience. LD wins lanes, sometimes. NP wins games. NP won this game for alliance - the split push meant DK couldn't teamfight comfortably. You realize that you could probably tri-lane against Bulldog's LD and end up losing the lane? That's how good his LD is. You cannot possibly allow anything like that to happen. You realize that bulldog might have gotten decent farm that game with LD, but DK's lane was THAT strong for a LD (might have forced a LD jungle), and that LD can't split push anywhere the amount that a NP can? Burning would have had similar farm, and LD can't stop teamfights like a NP can. The draft would have been completely different if there was NP ban instead. Talking about it as if you could just swap NP for LD is meaningless
True enough, but I've seen Admiral Bulldog win so many games with NP, that you need to ban.
It's not optional.
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On August 10 2013 06:05 Firebolt145 wrote:
Yo, every other tournament in the world. Watch this and learn, please.
Learn what, to despair over their lack of money compared to Valve? 
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On August 10 2013 06:01 pyro19 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 05:59 DDie wrote:On August 10 2013 05:57 Comeh wrote:
Admiral Bulldog pretty much won the game for Alliance - if that wasn't a NP, DK would have pushed to win that game a long time ago.
Also holy shit those forcestaffs. That's pretty much every game of alliance, to be honest, his prophet is WAY stronger than LD. Prophet as a Hero is stronger than LD IMO..It's just that Bulldog's LD is Ridiculously good so it warrants a Ban.
He's good but it can be dealt with, if bulldog is on furion he WILL keep all lanes pushed and the minute you run down mid he will rax trade you.
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Anyone else feel like the weaver was completely useless that game?
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