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Namunelbo
Profile Joined June 2012
501 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5801
More importantly, will TongFu stay in tilt mode and go out of the tournament without winning any more games?
Or will they come back as StrongFu and get the rematch?

Valve should start filming the second part of that documentary right now...
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44277 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5802
this is ridiculous i dont really understand why people complain about chen-pudge combo and asking for nerfs ... this is why this game is popular ,.. maybe the one who complained are new to this and expected this game to be something like sc2 or bw
this is a quote
NIJ
Profile Joined March 2010
1012 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5803
On August 10 2013 11:43 anonymitylol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Anyone saying it's "low risk" is either dumb or has never played dota in their life

Why is this topic still going on?


because hundreds of people who have never played a dota game in their life continue to comment on the balance of a game that they have no clue about

yeah but thats always been the fact. just ignore stupid ppl and move on. you cant educate everybody.
Act of thinking logically cannot possibly be natural to the human mind. If it were, then mathematics would be everybody's easiest course at school and our species would not have taken several millennia to figure out the scientific method -NDT
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5804
Tobi + Waga casting! Can it get better!
EZ4ENCE
Merfyn
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom945 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 02:48:19
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5805
On August 10 2013 11:46 Colston wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:42 Daralii wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:39 Fruscainte wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:36 OfficeBrahzz wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:33 Fruscainte wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:32 OfficeBrahzz wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:28 OfficeBrahzz wrote:
as far as im concerned. this is another reason why chen should just be banned every game

or pudge too if you dont ban chen.

without the abuse of blatantly overpowered fountain hooks, chen is the bigger threat and the better thing to ban.












as far as im concerned. this is another reason why chen should just be banned every game

or pudge too if you dont ban chen.

without the abuse of blatantly overpowered fountain hooks, chen is the bigger threat and the better thing to ban.












dont ban either hero you get what you deserve




until this crap is nerfed. this is the new DOTA meta

seriously, every pro player in the international can hit those fountain hooks they take SKILL to land but every team has that skill i believe.. i garuntee fountain hooks will be ALOT more common, until pro players catch on and ban chen every game. however likely this may happen very quickly because i garuntee tongfu will be banning one of those heroes every game from now on


Just...Just stop talking about a game you clearly know nothing about.

Bullshit like this has been happening for years in DotA.



never on a stage this big in order to prove how strong the combo truly is



i garuntee tongfu has learned their lesson. watch them ban or firstpick chen/pudge every game from now on

i expect almost every game from now on will have chen or pudge bans from now on after seeing what power the fountain hooks have


Dude just stop talking.

People have known fountain hooks could do this for YEARS now.

If it was overpowered as you state everyone would be doing it.

Jesus, I don't go into professional tekken threads and start bashing player strategies because I don't know anything about the game or the scene. Why are you doing that here?

Seriously. Na'Vi is the only team on the planet with the massive balls it takes to bet $1,400,000 on an iffy timing that takes two heroes to pull off and is countered by creeps.

It's like someone winning an OSL with a worker rush after losing all their buildings but a depot.


Lol, Na'Vi failed hard at their early game, so this is more like getting owned in both macro and micro but then just rushing with your workers and luckily managing to take out 20 supply worth of marines.

However I think it's funny they managed to win with it though :D



Same, I was like speechless for the complete 2nd half of that game
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.."
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5806
On August 10 2013 11:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I like how everybody with a different opinion is called dumb now by the 'elitists'. Thought TL was better then this...


Difference between having an opinion and being objectively wrong and being adamant in the face of contention about being objectively wrong.
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5807
On August 10 2013 11:46 TanKLoveR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....

You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it.


OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT

A BLOO BLOO BLOO

:|

It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match.


You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million?

No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior.


but when [A] picks kotl pl it's all hunky-dory for mr. dedicated [A] fan!

double standards 4ever
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
johnnyb211
Profile Joined July 2013
1452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 02:50:35
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5808
On August 10 2013 11:44 gLhF.Revere wrote:
If it's fountain hooks aren't gimmicky, could someone explain to me what Tongfu could've done to win?


go force teamfights right after every failed hook

have better warding to see the hooks

be more decisive if you want to roshan/farm/push

don't lose three teamfights in a row by bad positioning

actually, the only hook that really hurt them was the gyro with the aegis. without that, they lose the game but that hook alone would not have let them win the game. TF lost the game by three bad engagements.
CAPSLOCKED
Profile Joined April 2011
563 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5809
TOB +D
big_shark
Profile Joined February 2010
United States172 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5810
On August 10 2013 11:42 meegrean wrote:
Dota is full of imba combos. Don't like fountain hooks? If you are facing a team that can actually pull that off successfully, then ban either Pudge or Chen. Just my opinion.


You are a true student of the game. There has NEVER been a version that hasn't had some character, tactic, item that has been OP. Tournament play is about adapting and the people that don't see the weaknesses in this strat really lack any imagination. Deserved losers for not adapting in my opinion.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5811
On August 10 2013 11:47 WindWolf wrote:
Tobi + Waga casting! Can it get better!


Boot waga for synd?
DaPyro
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Serbia131 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5812
HON TRASH BEST TRASH GO GO FNATIC
Drone so hard motherfuckers wanna fine me. Whats 50k minerals to a nigga like me? can you please remind me
Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 02:49:49
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5813
On August 10 2013 11:36 anonymitylol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:35 superstartran wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:32 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:31 Tomca wrote:
I really don't get ppl complaining about fountain hooks. It's a cool feature in game and also very double edged sword. Sending pudge home can cost you teamfights so easily. Sadly, TongFu didn't capitalise on failed hooks.

Very well deserved win, suck it haters


they're the same people who complain about cheese in BW/SC2, basically people who have never actually played a video game in their life and live to complain about how others player games



It's not a 'cheese' though. They were only doing it because they were super far behind. When playing that far behind, you have literally no risk in doing it, especially if you are on your side of the map and by a tower. The fact that Dendi hit Hao when he had an aegis was a monumental deal; that swung the momentum heavily into Navi's favor.


"no risk in doing it"

yeah except fighting 4v5 if you miss the hook, you know how little of a risk that is against a team with a farm advantage over you

Not to mention that Pudge is pretty much dead weight if he misses his hooks, + Chen wasted his sendback so that if the carry gets in trouble in the fight he can't even save him...

All the complaining is just dumb, it's been in the game for ages, everybody knows about it, and clearly it is hard to execute otherwise more teams would be doing it. You have what, 3 seconds to coordinate forcestaff, sendback and hook, and if you don't you can be punished for it having to fight 4v5.

Not to mention you can just ban Chen...

Also game wasn't just about the hooks, they created so much space for Xboct to farm.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5814
On August 10 2013 11:47 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I like how everybody with a different opinion is called dumb now by the 'elitists'. Thought TL was better then this...


Difference between having an opinion and being objectively wrong and being adamant in the face of contention about being objectively wrong.

zzzz
Neosteel Enthusiast
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5815
aww man.. Tobi...
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
August 10 2013 02:47 GMT
#5816
not a big dota guy, but that game was amazing to watch
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
PUre.nINE
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada56 Posts
August 10 2013 02:48 GMT
#5817
Psh only newbie dota players would complain about this outcome.

For one it's definitely Valve's or Icefrog's problem. Na'vi is a professional team on the line to win hundreds of thousands of dollars, of course they'll do whatever is necessary.

There's other game mechanics that are unintended too. Ursa's Fury Swipes on Rosh, Blink dagger ban on VS, Pudge, Weaver time lapse buyback, Fissure creep block, Tiny's toss double avalanche dmg (not sure if Dota 2 still has it), Kunkka tidebringer crit, Clockwerk's battery assault preventing spell casts, Night Stalker ult extending night, CK wisp tether instant stun, etc etc. They're just remnants from Warcraft 3's game engine.

If you actually think Na'vi "stole" the win, you're crazy. You think "Pudge Chen" will actually work well again? Fuck no. Tongfu just got mind fucked and played too defensively after the first few, and let Alchemist farm up way too much. Any time Dendi missed a hook they could have simply pushed in 5v4, but no, they just sit back and farm.
The rest is silence.
BigAsia
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada451 Posts
August 10 2013 02:48 GMT
#5818
On August 10 2013 11:46 TanKLoveR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....

You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it.


OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT

A BLOO BLOO BLOO

:|

It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match.


You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million?

No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior.


Brah stop your biased and recognize that you only dislike Na'vi because they pose the biggest threat to Alliance.
YOLO
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
August 10 2013 02:48 GMT
#5819
Oh oh. fnatic has chen, better ban that pudge guys
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
August 10 2013 02:48 GMT
#5820
On August 10 2013 11:46 dtz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2013 11:44 Merfyn wrote:
On August 10 2013 11:43 HotGlueGun wrote:
Tongfu bring shame to China. What is the correct response to a team going for fountain hooks that aggressively?


Engage on failed hooks, 4v5.


Perhaps. But very hard to do cos the only hero around is chen and maybe wr and they are hook + force staff range away ( 1500++).

If Tongfu had something like clock maybe they could.

Hoping for meepo notail for a day of full chaos.

And as i said that Maelk dashed my hopes.

Units block hook. Visage birds, necrobook etc
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