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Cheese is the good word. With these line ups, i felt like navi didnt have any chance of winning, their laning were awful, they had to rely on that.
The hooks were important of course, but I think the real thing that made tf lose is the fight they took after visage was hook-fountained. They didnt need to take that fight, even with the hooks (which didnt landed that much srsly), there was no chance they would lose.
That fight was just totally awful + they were too greedy like always, they didnt even try to push once even if they were winning every fight...
I don't think this strategy will work anymore, TF was just too surprised.
I call it a throw.
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On August 10 2013 11:44 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:41 Latham wrote:On August 10 2013 11:35 Abominous wrote:
People are acting like fountain hooks are instant wins... Because newborns with milk still on their whiskers think they know dota after watching half a tournament in their whole lives, and propose balance changes. There is no other team in the world that would have balls big enough to use this all-in strategy at a such a prestigious tournament. Na'Vi thrive in such a position. They are chaos perfected. That's why they are the crowd favourites. Don't know about that. I've seen way better chaos games by Navi. That wasn't actually chaotic at all. Was just a huge lull of attempted Hooks into one really game changing one. I really just want to see the classic crazy skirmish dota from Navi. That game was pretty boring and really didn't showcase what Navi can be. Why would you assume just people that are new to dota wouldn't enjoy such a game.
Because the best way to bolster your argument is call your opponents noobs who know nothing.
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I like how everybody with a different opinion is called dumb now by the 'elitists'. Thought TL was better then this...
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On August 10 2013 11:44 gLhF.Revere wrote:
If it's fountain hooks aren't gimmicky, could someone explain to me what Tongfu could've done to win?
Pick magnus instead of doom.
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On August 10 2013 11:41 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:35 Abominous wrote:
People are acting like fountain hooks are instant wins... Because newborns with milk still on their whiskers think they know dota after watching half a tournament in their whole lives, and propose balance changes. There is no other team in the world that would have balls big enough to use this all-in strategy at a such a prestigious tournament. Na'Vi thrive in such a position. They are chaos perfected. That's why they are the crowd favourites.
If we ignore them they may go away.
Let's start talking about the next game instead. Only n0tail meepo may top this.
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On August 10 2013 11:20 ZiRn1tRa wrote:
04:19 at morning and i can't go to sleep, most amazing game I have ever seen in dota. fountain hooks legit
haha same here brother^^
I got chills,
can't believe what we saw
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I think I have the same position on this fountain hook business as I had on NesTea versus Byun in GSL 2012 Season 3 Ro8: if it's in the game, it's your job to know about it. If you don't know about it, your opponent exploited an unknown and innovative strategy.
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game is starting in the client!
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On August 10 2013 11:34 gLhF.Revere wrote:
It is low risk. If the hook misses, all you need to do is back off and avoid the fight. If they chase you to your towers, all you need to do is tp back. Low risk. High reward.
TF should be pressuring NaVi so hard, that each time hook works NaVi are instantly losing carries and supports on their side.
If Hao wasn't feeding early game and had better positioning, they would have won that game.
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Yo guys newsflash there's a new game about to start.
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On August 10 2013 11:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
I like how everybody with a different opinion is called dumb now by the 'elitists'. Thought TL was better then this...
Those morons wouldn't even be mistaken for elitists.
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On August 10 2013 11:44 rastaban wrote:
did you see his stats, worst player ever! :D
It just means he plays support.
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On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....
You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it. OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT A BLOO BLOO BLOO :| It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match. You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million?
No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior.
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It's low risk because they're not Normal MMR pubs that want to fight 4v5 all the time. If you miss, you can simply back off (even back to your own base where it's 5v5 again).
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On August 10 2013 11:42 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:39 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:36 OfficeBrahzz wrote:On August 10 2013 11:33 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:32 OfficeBrahzz wrote:On August 10 2013 11:28 OfficeBrahzz wrote:
as far as im concerned. this is another reason why chen should just be banned every game
or pudge too if you dont ban chen.
without the abuse of blatantly overpowered fountain hooks, chen is the bigger threat and the better thing to ban.
as far as im concerned. this is another reason why chen should just be banned every game
or pudge too if you dont ban chen.
without the abuse of blatantly overpowered fountain hooks, chen is the bigger threat and the better thing to ban.
dont ban either hero you get what you deserve until this crap is nerfed. this is the new DOTA meta seriously, every pro player in the international can hit those fountain hooks they take SKILL to land but every team has that skill i believe.. i garuntee fountain hooks will be ALOT more common, until pro players catch on and ban chen every game. however likely this may happen very quickly because i garuntee tongfu will be banning one of those heroes every game from now on Just...Just stop talking about a game you clearly know nothing about. Bullshit like this has been happening for years in DotA. never on a stage this big in order to prove how strong the combo truly is i garuntee tongfu has learned their lesson. watch them ban or firstpick chen/pudge every game from now on i expect almost every game from now on will have chen or pudge bans from now on after seeing what power the fountain hooks have Dude just stop talking. People have known fountain hooks could do this for YEARS now. If it was overpowered as you state everyone would be doing it. Jesus, I don't go into professional tekken threads and start bashing player strategies because I don't know anything about the game or the scene. Why are you doing that here? Seriously. Na'Vi is the only team on the planet with the massive balls it takes to bet $1,400,000 on an iffy timing that takes two heroes to pull off and is countered by creeps. It's like someone winning an OSL with a worker rush after losing all their buildings but a depot.
Lol, Na'Vi failed hard at their early game, so this is more like getting owned in both macro and micro but then just rushing with your workers and luckily managing to take out 20 supply worth of marines.
However I think it's funny they managed to win with it though :D
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On August 10 2013 11:44 Merfyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:43 HotGlueGun wrote:
Tongfu bring shame to China. What is the correct response to a team going for fountain hooks that aggressively? Engage on failed hooks, 4v5.
Perhaps. But very hard to do cos the only hero around is chen and maybe wr and they are hook + force staff range away ( 1500++).
If Tongfu had something like clock maybe they could.
Hoping for meepo notail for a day of full chaos.
And as i said that Maelk dashed my hopes.
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TO sum up the last 20 pages about fountain hook:
The rest of the world doing it -- HIGH RISK
Dendi and Puppey doing it -- LOW RISK
get over it folks.
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On August 10 2013 11:29 EnvyUK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:27 Pr0wler wrote:
That "fountain hook" is complete bullshit if you ask me. Dendi was failing for half an hour, hit 3-4 hooks - boom game is won. You should be annoyed at TongFu, they shouldn't have lost considering how many times Navi were left 4v5 after a failed hook.
except that's never cuz right after hook fails all 4 of navi retreat, dendi tps to nearest tower and they go at it again. anyway that combo is too stupid and too abusive and there's nothing TF could do against it. The most retarded part about it is that you can do it constantly and there's basically no cooldown. They failed with it a lot of times, but again, they just back off and wait for dendi to tp back => round 2, 3, 4, 5 etc. Hao had aegis and a ton of farm, get hooked once => lol aegis lol farm. it shouldn't be possible to kill the enemy carry 2 times at basically no risk for you. and it especially shouldn't be possible to spam this retarded bullshit all the damn time and take undeserved wins on rng alone. Test of faith shouldn't work on pudge, just like blink dagger doesn't. Yea, you can say that TF can position themselves better, can ward better, etc. But at the end of the day the truth is it doesnt really matter since they can just try over and over again at no cost to them and it will eventually work no matter how good your positioning or warding is.
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On August 10 2013 11:44 gLhF.Revere wrote:
If it's fountain hooks aren't gimmicky, could someone explain to me what Tongfu could've done to win?
To sum it up short, they were scared shit less to do anything to capitalize when Pudge missed his hooks.
It was Tungfu's game to win or lose, Na'Vi the experience beasts that they are, were able to play patiently and come out on top in the end due to Tongfu's passive play.
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On August 10 2013 11:41 xyzz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:39 Gheizen64 wrote:On August 10 2013 11:27 Canucklehead wrote:
As a new dota watcher, those pudge/chen hooks combo were disgusting to watch. Valve should looking into patching that. Just doesn't make sense to me as a new watcher. On August 10 2013 11:27 Pr0wler wrote:
That "fountain hook" is complete bullshit if you ask me. Dendi was failing for half an hour, hit 3-4 hooks - boom game is won. On August 10 2013 11:27 Kabras wrote:
what a shit game, terrible fucking dota all tournament long. farm fest or gimmicks, nobody can teamfight or initiate anymore. except s4. and super. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHUEHEUHUEHUEHUHEUEHAHAHHAHAHEUHEUEHUEHUEHUHEUEHUEHUEHUHUEUEUHUEHUEHUEUHHEUEEEHUEUHEUHEUEHUEEUEHEHUEHEHAHAHAHAHHUEHUEHUEHUEUEHUEUEHUEHUHEUEHUEHHEUHEUEHUHUEUUEUEHUEUEEHHEHEHUUEHUEHUEHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH User was warned for this post 1022 posts. Are they all this intelligent? You're a credit to your forefathers.
:D :D :D
So happy right now
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