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dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
August 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2561
Chuan why are you so pissed.

This is not the time for argument.

Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2562
On August 11 2013 07:42 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 07:41 TheYango wrote:
On August 11 2013 07:40 maru~ wrote:
On August 11 2013 07:38 r.Evo wrote:
On August 11 2013 07:36 TheYango wrote:
The thing that people are not respecting is how much of a gold disadvantage having double/triple buybacks on your position 1-3 heroes actually allows you to fight ridiculous high ground defense fights. If they splitpush a big creep wave into your tier 3, and then give up 3+ buybacks to hold their lane while you lose yours, that's actually a net gain for a split-push based team.

Even with an Alch double your net worth, you still don't win 7v5/8v5 fights on enemy high ground. Chinese teams are deathly aware of this because pushing high ground in 2009/2010 was a nightmare when there was no buyback CD and buybacks were cheaper, so even with 1 core, you'd still be trying to push through double/triple buybacks from the same hero.

People who have been watching the game that long should remember a certain LGD vs. EHOME game where LGD played a 5 intel hero comp against a Sniper + Shadowfiend dual core--the game was long over for them after Sniper and Shadowfiend got their items up, but they defended and Aegis+Cheese push with Storm's triple buyback.

We just saw DK holding highground against a 20k+ gold advantage against probably the most aggressive team left in the tournament besides Na'Vi.

It's just easy to forget.

To be fair though, that was mostly Orange throwing.

And people would have called it Tongfu throwing as well if Tongfu tried to force a push through, lost to a double/triple buyback and lost a T3 tower or rax to Furion TPing to that lane and pushing after the won fight.

To be honest, I think they HAD to do that.

But I also think IG massively misplayed that teamfight on several fronts, and should have won.


They clearly didn't have to since they won(I know rather silly hyperbole). Anyway there was a chance they lost if they went for it and a chance they won if they went for it. Favoring not losing isn't always bad and in this case they were able to eventually get a moment where they could win it.

I imagine there're 3 parallel realities now. One where TF went for it and lost which was met with chants of TF throwing. One where TF went for it and won which would be met with iG so bad/TF so good. Then one where TF didn't then lost later, more chants of throwing.
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
August 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2563
shadow fiend f yeah
Religion: Buckethead
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2564
On August 11 2013 07:44 maru~ wrote:
Russian casters said Chuan and Zhou don't talk to each other and there are rumors that Zhou will get kicked.

yeah listen to V1lat, same as him claiming that 1 team won't attend TI3.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
August 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2565
loving sf being in the spotlight again, if only potm was brought back..I still reminisce slahser's glory days with her.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2566
On August 11 2013 07:43 l3loodraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 07:40 dtz wrote:
On August 11 2013 07:36 TheYango wrote:
The thing that people are not respecting is how much having double/triple buybacks on your position 1-3 heroes actually allows you to fight ridiculous high ground defense fights. If they splitpush a big creep wave into your tier 3, and then give up 3+ buybacks to hold their lane while you lose yours, that's actually a net gain for a split-push based team.

Even with an Alch double your net worth, you still don't win 5v7/5v8 fights on enemy high ground. Chinese teams are deathly aware of this because pushing high ground in 2009/2010 was a nightmare when there was no buyback CD and buybacks were cheaper, so even with 1 core, you'd still be trying to push through double/triple buybacks from the same hero.

People who have been watching the game that long should remember a certain LGD vs. EHOME game where LGD played a 5 intel hero comp against a Sniper + Shadowfiend dual core--the game was long over for them after Sniper and Shadowfiend got their items up, but they defended and Aegis+Cheese push with Storm's triple buyback.


Yeah actually i have thought that maybe it should be possible to buyback in the spot where you die because currently buyback is too big of a defender's advantage.

Maybe if you buyback within 10 second then you can revive in the spot where you die or something.

Will favor teams ending the games early and hitting a timing when they got a good advantage. Also promotes aggressive play in general. We might see 10v10 fights from early game.

Haven't really thought about repercussions though so this might be a dumb idea.
imo they should just get rid of buybacks altogether and give us more ways to spend our gold. I don't think buyback is a good mechanic.

Maybe we should also remove the gold loss on death?
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Namunelbo
Profile Joined June 2012
501 Posts
August 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2567
After TI3 Chuan bromance reunite with ZSMJ, Chuan + YYF to VG.

ZSMJ, Chuan, YYF, CTY and FY !

Shouldn't leave Fenrir out since he's pretty good, he can be back up player or coach...
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2568
wtf is this lineup TF
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2569
Hopefully we can get a BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE

But with Tobi sounding sick...
EZ4ENCE
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2570
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ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2571
On August 11 2013 07:45 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 07:44 maru~ wrote:
Russian casters said Chuan and Zhou don't talk to each other and there are rumors that Zhou will get kicked.

yeah listen to V1lat, same as him claiming that 1 team won't attend TI3.

It wasn't v1lat.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2572
On August 11 2013 07:45 dtz wrote:
Chuan why are you so pissed.

This is not the time for argument.

Did you see the end of last game? Stood up shouting at ferrari from across the room.
Once you Goblak...
Scio
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany522 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2573
On August 11 2013 07:45 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2013 07:43 l3loodraven wrote:
On August 11 2013 07:40 dtz wrote:
On August 11 2013 07:36 TheYango wrote:
The thing that people are not respecting is how much having double/triple buybacks on your position 1-3 heroes actually allows you to fight ridiculous high ground defense fights. If they splitpush a big creep wave into your tier 3, and then give up 3+ buybacks to hold their lane while you lose yours, that's actually a net gain for a split-push based team.

Even with an Alch double your net worth, you still don't win 5v7/5v8 fights on enemy high ground. Chinese teams are deathly aware of this because pushing high ground in 2009/2010 was a nightmare when there was no buyback CD and buybacks were cheaper, so even with 1 core, you'd still be trying to push through double/triple buybacks from the same hero.

People who have been watching the game that long should remember a certain LGD vs. EHOME game where LGD played a 5 intel hero comp against a Sniper + Shadowfiend dual core--the game was long over for them after Sniper and Shadowfiend got their items up, but they defended and Aegis+Cheese push with Storm's triple buyback.


Yeah actually i have thought that maybe it should be possible to buyback in the spot where you die because currently buyback is too big of a defender's advantage.

Maybe if you buyback within 10 second then you can revive in the spot where you die or something.

Will favor teams ending the games early and hitting a timing when they got a good advantage. Also promotes aggressive play in general. We might see 10v10 fights from early game.

Haven't really thought about repercussions though so this might be a dumb idea.
imo they should just get rid of buybacks altogether and give us more ways to spend our gold. I don't think buyback is a good mechanic.

Maybe we should also remove the gold loss on death?


Denies are anti-fun, get rid off them too
"Did you know that in the original batman movie they casted nestea as joker but when batman threw him into the acid he was fine so they had to recast it with Jack Nicholson......it's a true fact" -Artosis
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2574
These lineups...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2575
LION. SHADOW FIEND.

LETS GO INVICTUS GODS

FUCK THIS, LETS SHOW TONGFU WHERE THEY BELONG.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2576
Lion! Awesome.
Bora Pain minha porra!
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2577
IG going to give Tongfu the finger!
Neosteel Enthusiast
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2578
rofl zoom in
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2579
Fuck yeah, Lion
LSF
Profile Joined April 2012
469 Posts
August 10 2013 22:46 GMT
#2580
dat lion
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