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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17644 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 20:54:44
November 24 2013 20:53 GMT
#1801
I have AdBlock disabled and I get no ads at the MLG site

Plug-ins used in FF:
Disable Anti-Adblock 3.1
Ghostery 5.0.6

And of course this:
http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
BoZiffer
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1841 Posts
November 24 2013 20:54 GMT
#1802
On November 25 2013 05:53 Manit0u wrote:
I have AdBlock disabled and I get no ads at the MLG site


You, my friend, are the outlier
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
November 24 2013 20:54 GMT
#1803
On November 25 2013 05:53 Manit0u wrote:
I have AdBlock disabled and I get no ads at the MLG site

WHICH BROWSER
This is our town, scrub
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 24 2013 20:54 GMT
#1804
On November 25 2013 05:52 maru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:49 teapoted wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:46 Noya wrote:
People forgetting how boring Dusa games can be and blaming DK for not going yolopush against Wall into Stone Gaze... come on.
The dusa pick makes no sense to begin with.

I mean what's the plan? They relocate in and you prep stone gaze or some shit? Like those sort of small things work when we're talking about like Alchemist. Alchemist is great against relocate. But Medusa needs space which wisp doesn't allow for.

Dying twice to solo Clock and not going shield stats certainly didn't help.


It was a mistake but it was also a mistake for Navi to think they could leave a Dusa alone vs a clock. No amount of shield is going to help you that early against a clock early. Clock is super strong 1v1 in a long lane and it's iceiceice. Their trade for leaving Xboct in such a dangerous position was sitting around mid and doing nothing so some of the blame should go onto navi supports honestly. Xboct messed up but they did too hard.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 24 2013 20:55 GMT
#1805
I've gotten a guy in a suit telling me why we shouldn't limit CEO wages around 20 times in a row now. In French.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 24 2013 20:55 GMT
#1806
On November 25 2013 05:53 Manit0u wrote:
I have AdBlock disabled and I get no ads at the MLG site


Might depend where you live as well. If other Polish peeps aren't getting any, pretty straightforward.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17644 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 20:57:52
November 24 2013 20:55 GMT
#1807
On November 25 2013 05:54 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:53 Manit0u wrote:
I have AdBlock disabled and I get no ads at the MLG site

WHICH BROWSER


Firefox. Also, updated previous posts with plug-ins I'm using besides AdBlock.

On November 25 2013 05:55 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:53 Manit0u wrote:
I have AdBlock disabled and I get no ads at the MLG site


Might depend where you live as well. If other Polish peeps aren't getting any, pretty straightforward.


On the other computer, using Chrome and similar setup I get all the annoying ads. With Firefox here I only had to click "skip ad" once in 2 games I believe (if at all).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 24 2013 20:55 GMT
#1808
On November 25 2013 05:55 Orome wrote:
I've gotten a guy in a suit telling me why we shouldn't limit CEO wages around 20 times in a row now. In French.

you guys limit ceo wages? man, the future is here
:)
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 20:56:52
November 24 2013 20:55 GMT
#1809
On November 25 2013 05:53 SongByungWewt wrote:
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On November 25 2013 05:51 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:50 SongByungWewt wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:47 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:46 SongByungWewt wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:44 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
The game started off really interesting and exciting, but once DK took a big lead they just played snake dota, constricting N'avi too death Chinese style.


Enough with the Chinese style crap zzzzZZ. It's not Chinese style. It's what any team with a brain does if they're behind and have a very late game carry to give them chance at comeback. No team does that when they have the choice to be aggressive and hold map control. Just coz some CIS or Russian teams like to faceplant into walls for the fast L doesn't make Western dota more exciting/aggressive.


Hey, I don't disagree with you. They played it perfectly, my post was in response to the people who said it was a boring game.

Also Russian Dota western??


My apologies, I probably shouldn't have quoted your post to respond to. It was more to the whole general trend of the conversation. And most people lump CIS/Russian Dota in with West. Basically anything non-Chinese, non-SEA.


Russia DOTA is it's own thing. It doesn't even make sense geographically imo. To me, Western is American and European. Russia is its own scene, China it's own scene, SEA it's own scene.


I agree. But it's what most noobie fanboys think. That's why so many people in TI2 were screaming about passive Chinese style and aggro-Western style with Na'Vi as their champions.
As I already pointed out. That first time they went in, iceiceice went for a hook shot. It missed, and they didn't go in. Otherwise they would have gone in earlier. I don't think it's wrong to say they played overly passive, as they wanted to go in earlier. So if those people are 'noobie fanboys', then iceiceice must be as well.

But as far as being overly passive goes, this wasn't even close to some of the stuff we saw in 2012.
Once you Goblak...
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
November 24 2013 20:56 GMT
#1810
On November 25 2013 05:49 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:46 Noya wrote:
People forgetting how boring Dusa games can be and blaming DK for not going yolopush against Wall into Stone Gaze... bitching at stupid shit like always, come on.


I feel like Windrunner mid doesn't really do that much either. Not that dendi was the problem that game, but with a higher impact hero I think he could have done more given how well his lane started


Seer is the same way. With seer/WR/dusa against DK's team they basically had to just sit back and hope DK hung themselves on clock wisp initiates. It's such a slow lineup that DK just picked the doom because the greed wasn't risky at all, and boom you won't have gaze, WR, or Seer wall depending on how the initiate goes.

I hope they go back to giving funnik/dendi playmakers so a greedy wisp/doom isn't so easy
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Noya
Profile Joined April 2013
Uruguay11223 Posts
November 24 2013 20:56 GMT
#1811
On November 25 2013 05:52 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:48 Geo.Rion wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:46 Noya wrote:
People forgetting how boring Dusa games can be and blaming DK for not going yolopush against Wall into Stone Gaze... come on.

Honestly i think Medusa is a stupid pick. I know she can own a teamfight, once every three minute, if the enemy team is stupid enough to not run when the ulti is on AND she is farmed as seven hells. But if you screw with her farm or kite/bait before teamfights she is way inferior to a Gyro.


Na'Vi has shown that they know how to play dusa. They haven't lost with her up till this point. I think the main problem with their strategy was that they didn't win their lanes hard enough. DK drafted super greedily(the doom pick lol/only 1 real support who also really needs levels) but Na'Vi couldn't punish them after failing to hold down Mushi hard enough.

Also didn't help that icex3 just completely dominated his lane and created a shit ton of space midgame so that they couldn't really gank burning. (They should have kept the pressure up like they did during the first gank, but once wisp got relocate, Na'Vi played really defensive yet still let xboct farm on his own, which led to more deaths.)


NaVi already lost with Dusa before, against Alliance in D2L.
SongByungWewt
Profile Joined October 2013
China593 Posts
November 24 2013 20:56 GMT
#1812
On November 25 2013 05:52 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:48 Geo.Rion wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:46 Noya wrote:
People forgetting how boring Dusa games can be and blaming DK for not going yolopush against Wall into Stone Gaze... come on.

Honestly i think Medusa is a stupid pick. I know she can own a teamfight, once every three minute, if the enemy team is stupid enough to not run when the ulti is on AND she is farmed as seven hells. But if you screw with her farm or kite/bait before teamfights she is way inferior to a Gyro.


Na'Vi has shown that they know how to play dusa. They haven't lost with her up till this point. I think the main problem with their strategy was that they didn't win their lanes hard enough. DK drafted super greedily(the doom pick lol/only 1 real support who also really needs levels) but Na'Vi couldn't punish them after failing to hold down Mushi hard enough.

Also didn't help that icex3 just completely dominated his lane and created a shit ton of space midgame so that they couldn't really gank burning. (They should have kept the pressure up like they did during the first gank, but once wisp got relocate, Na'Vi played really defensive yet still let xboct farm on his own, which led to more deaths.)


This.

Icex3 should not have been able to solo kill Xboct twice in the offlane. That is just obscene. Also, NONE of Navi's CM/Alchy rotations ended in wins for their team. That's a safe tri-lane failing hard, a mid failing hard, and an offlane that did nothing to stop gyro's farm.

It has a lot less to do with the draft and a lot more to do with the laning stage. Navi set themselves up to have a stable early game, a defensive mid game, and a really strong late-game synergy with DS blink + Gorgon + second core Alchy.

The problem is they lost the laning phase so abysmally they lost every single team fight afterwards and could never once contest Rosh. When that happens, it's very hard to pull out a W. Drafting Gorgon was not the problem. She's a solid farming carry that is difficult to gank if given proper support. XBoct just terribly misplayed her and CM/Alchy were too busy failing rotations to babysit her.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 20:58:02
November 24 2013 20:57 GMT
#1813
On November 25 2013 05:55 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:55 Orome wrote:
I've gotten a guy in a suit telling me why we shouldn't limit CEO wages around 20 times in a row now. In French.

you guys limit ceo wages? man, the future is here


I read that the vote is on the table/already happened. CEO's monthly wage limited to the lowest employee's annual salary or something.

Correct me if i'm wrong. :p
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
DarkReign_
Profile Joined September 2012
1250 Posts
November 24 2013 20:57 GMT
#1814
DK dire side again huh?
Weird..
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
November 24 2013 20:58 GMT
#1815
On November 25 2013 05:46 Noya wrote:
People forgetting how boring Dusa games can be and blaming DK for not going yolopush against Wall into Stone Gaze... come on.



Yolo push? More like Maginot Charge
Noya
Profile Joined April 2013
Uruguay11223 Posts
November 24 2013 20:58 GMT
#1816
Clock first pick for funn1k
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
November 24 2013 20:58 GMT
#1817
already liking the draft more just letting funnik get a solo playmaker instead of a dark seer
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-24 20:59:26
November 24 2013 20:59 GMT
#1818
On November 25 2013 05:57 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:55 synapse wrote:
On November 25 2013 05:55 Orome wrote:
I've gotten a guy in a suit telling me why we shouldn't limit CEO wages around 20 times in a row now. In French.

you guys limit ceo wages? man, the future is here


I read that the vote is on the table/already happened. CEO's monthly wage limited to the lowest employee's annual salary or something.

Correct me if i'm wrong. :p


If we're talking Switzerland they voted 65.3% against already
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 24 2013 20:59 GMT
#1819
On November 25 2013 05:57 DarkReign_ wrote:
DK dire side again huh?
Weird..

Na`Vi preferres Radiant side I believe and the loser gets to choose the side I assume.
WriterXiao8~~
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
November 24 2013 20:59 GMT
#1820
On November 25 2013 05:48 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2013 05:46 Noya wrote:
People forgetting how boring Dusa games can be and blaming DK for not going yolopush against Wall into Stone Gaze... come on.

Honestly i think Medusa is a stupid pick. I know she can own a teamfight, once every three minute, if the enemy team is stupid enough to not run when the ulti is on AND she is farmed as seven hells. But if you screw with her farm or kite/bait before teamfights she is way inferior to a Gyro.


The "screwing with farm" is true (not unique for Medusa as it is for any hard carry though). Kiting/baiting is different. You expect to initiate and you take time to turn around and retreat immediately means you've lost the teamfight advantage.
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
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