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I'm too lazy to look up examples but I can assure you that chess pro's absolutely demolish any number of "average" people working together in actual chess. Dota =/= forecasting world events. I mean, sure dota =/= chess but they are far more similar.
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On April 09 2014 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm too lazy to look up examples but I can assure you that chess pro's absolutely demolish any number of "average" people working together in actual chess. Dota =/= forecasting world events. I mean, sure dota =/= chess but they are far more similar.
I'm sure you're right, in a game of speed chess. But we're not talking about forum posters on TL standing in for Alliance in an actual game.
The discussion here is about strategy, and in that case I think that if you had a group of 1,000 people with access to the internet and asked them to choose the best strategy in response to a move, whether they would choose better (their choices averaged together, of course) than a chess pro is an open argument. In other words, it is feasible that they might make the better choice.
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United States15275 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:49 rhythmrenegade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm too lazy to look up examples but I can assure you that chess pro's absolutely demolish any number of "average" people working together in actual chess. Dota =/= forecasting world events. I mean, sure dota =/= chess but they are far more similar. I'm sure you're right, in a game of speed chess. But we're not talking about forum posters on TL standing in for Alliance in an actual game. The discussion here is about strategy, and in that case I think that if you had a group of 1,000 people with access to the internet and asked them to choose the best strategy in response to a move, whether they would choose better (their choices averaged together, of course) than a chess pro is an open argument. In other words, it is feasible that they might make the better choice.
I would question that assumption mostly because the success of "group wisdom" has applied to strict Y/N and factual questions. The best strategy or move in a given context is based on normative theories that address that context.
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On April 09 2014 03:49 rhythmrenegade wrote:
[...]In other words, it is feasible that they might make the better choice.
It absolutely is not.
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I think there is an analogy here between what I am theorising and Sabermetrics, and therefore will disagree with CosmicSpiral and Sn0_Man.
And I would like to correct myself:
feasible does not mean what I thought it did.
I would have liked to say 'possible though not necessarily likely.'
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On April 09 2014 03:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
The post before he was happily informing [A] that it wasn't OK for them to be testing out different drafters and that they don't know anything about consistency blah blah blah like its really obnoxious reading that shit.
where did i say all those things ? did i say they dont know anything about consistency ? they were the kings of it when S4 drafted , I said that they need to lock on a drafter soon,
before TI4 to gain stability and consitency in the drafts , i didnt say they cant/shouldnt experiment (you can do it as a team but still have 1 drafter which say when its a go or not and SET THE TONE for the team play style) , you are twisting everything i said , and for what ? if i look up your 10k posts i wouldnt see you question a pro decision? or give some opinions of your own ?
grow up , the "why do you think i wasnt serious about you offering them to be their coach" is by far the dumbest thing i read on the internet for a year if you actually ment it (like you wrote you did) , we both know you didnt , and it was another way of you poking me for no reason.
if what i wrote came across as OBNOXIOUS no less , then im sorry , but you have reading issues and anger problems as well.
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United States15275 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:59 rhythmrenegade wrote:
I think there is an analogy here between what I am theorising and Sabermetrics, and therefore will disagree with CosmicSpiral and Sn0_Man.
I doubt you would find much correlation between sabermetrics and group wisdom. In many ways sabermetrics is the opposite. It requires extensive parsing of statistical information into esoteric categories in order to find hidden patterns overlooked by older models of analysis.
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On April 09 2014 04:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 03:59 rhythmrenegade wrote:
I think there is an analogy here between what I am theorising and Sabermetrics, and therefore will disagree with CosmicSpiral and Sn0_Man. ...It requires extensive parsing of statistical information into esoteric categories in order to find hidden patterns overlooked by older models of analysis.
That sounds like what most nerds do when they watch videogames, man.
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United States15275 Posts
On April 09 2014 04:03 rhythmrenegade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 09 2014 03:59 rhythmrenegade wrote:
I think there is an analogy here between what I am theorising and Sabermetrics, and therefore will disagree with CosmicSpiral and Sn0_Man. ...It requires extensive parsing of statistical information into esoteric categories in order to find hidden patterns overlooked by older models of analysis. That sounds like what most nerds do when they watch videogames, man.
And they both work to an extent! ;D
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On April 09 2014 04:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:03 rhythmrenegade wrote:On April 09 2014 04:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 09 2014 03:59 rhythmrenegade wrote:
I think there is an analogy here between what I am theorising and Sabermetrics, and therefore will disagree with CosmicSpiral and Sn0_Man. ...It requires extensive parsing of statistical information into esoteric categories in order to find hidden patterns overlooked by older models of analysis. That sounds like what most nerds do when they watch videogames, man. And they both work to an extent! ;D
:D so who do you favor in C9 vs Alliance?
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guys is ayesee wearing some like crushed velvet jumpsuit with a fedora? pls?
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On April 09 2014 04:09 crms wrote:
guys is ayesee wearing some like crushed velvet jumpsuit with a fedora? pls?
like 99% of esports personalities don't have any clue how to dress
2gd is ok though
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United States15275 Posts
On April 09 2014 04:07 rhythmrenegade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 09 2014 04:03 rhythmrenegade wrote:On April 09 2014 04:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:On April 09 2014 03:59 rhythmrenegade wrote:
I think there is an analogy here between what I am theorising and Sabermetrics, and therefore will disagree with CosmicSpiral and Sn0_Man. ...It requires extensive parsing of statistical information into esoteric categories in order to find hidden patterns overlooked by older models of analysis. That sounds like what most nerds do when they watch videogames, man. And they both work to an extent! ;D :D so who do you favor in C9 vs Alliance?
Honestly I don't know the game well enough to give you a confident answer.
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How does Mirana have more CS than TA?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:51 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 03:49 rhythmrenegade wrote:On April 09 2014 03:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm too lazy to look up examples but I can assure you that chess pro's absolutely demolish any number of "average" people working together in actual chess. Dota =/= forecasting world events. I mean, sure dota =/= chess but they are far more similar. I'm sure you're right, in a game of speed chess. But we're not talking about forum posters on TL standing in for Alliance in an actual game. The discussion here is about strategy, and in that case I think that if you had a group of 1,000 people with access to the internet and asked them to choose the best strategy in response to a move, whether they would choose better (their choices averaged together, of course) than a chess pro is an open argument. In other words, it is feasible that they might make the better choice. I would question that assumption mostly because the success of "group wisdom" has applied to strict Y/N and factual questions. The best strategy or move in a given context is based on normative theories that address that context.
This was already solved. It takes one person to beat Pokemon in a day. It took Twitch chat weeks to beat it and that was with the help of democracy.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Also TL Power Rank tells me Alliance wins.
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Envy's actually getting a really good start. Wish he wouldnt complete vanguard tho.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Hmmmm. Midas on TA when you have a Spectre you need to make space for eh?
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EPT
