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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 07 2014 17:44 GMT
#1341
On April 08 2014 02:44 Noya wrote:
Is that a Mason Rapier or a 32 min radiance?

hoping for abyssal lol
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NbSky
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada1023 Posts
April 07 2014 17:45 GMT
#1342
in b4 mason rapier
Sandstorm@USEast | The Last Pride [EviL] GW2 | Nb.Sky
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 07 2014 17:46 GMT
#1343
okay sing's dagon is pretty questionable I'll give u that
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
April 07 2014 17:46 GMT
#1344
On April 08 2014 02:44 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 02:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On April 08 2014 02:39 johnnyb211 wrote:
a good example of ayesee's ignorance of improving is that he still have not learned to hotkey the courier, so he could see after a kill where it happened/what item did the courier have. pretty much every semi professional/professional caster got this covered already

"Pretty much every".

Which in reality is "everyone except one caster asks where the courier died, and there's one guy that has a hotkey".

Tobi does, BTS guys do. That's basically all professional casters.


Makes me sad there's like 12 guys that are constantly casting and only like 5 can be called professional.

Well, I guess we knew 2gd guys are anything but "professional" :p.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Noya
Profile Joined April 2013
Uruguay11223 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 17:47:18
April 07 2014 17:46 GMT
#1345
On April 08 2014 02:46 Sn0_Man wrote:
okay sing's dagon is pretty questionable I'll give u that

Dagon is not a bad idea if you can burst the Dazzle/SD/Weaver on a Silence.
Considering he can't farm a Hex anytime soon

DUNKD
Ravensong170
Profile Joined June 2012
United States858 Posts
April 07 2014 17:47 GMT
#1346
On April 08 2014 02:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Dark seer is not a common agressive tri hero... lmfao


I never said it was common? It is a lane that EG have run plenty of times in the past. DS, SD and Dazzle has really strong kill potential. There was no other way EG was going to lane this. Even Ayesee, whom the community loves to flame for lack of knowledge, Pointed out that C9 should ban hte SD because EG will likely try to draft DS, Dazzle and SD if they can. And then when it was drafted it made the call that it would be a aggro trilane.

So yea, the lanes were extremely obvious.
"what a terrible ass game, we should all kill ourselves." -EE-Sama
Noya
Profile Joined April 2013
Uruguay11223 Posts
April 07 2014 17:48 GMT
#1347
lmao EE can't even kill the courier while his team gets slaughtered
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 07 2014 17:49 GMT
#1348
What in the actual fuck, C9? Though judging from DreamLeague game, C9 vs Navi can actually be fun.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Ravensong170
Profile Joined June 2012
United States858 Posts
April 07 2014 17:51 GMT
#1349
On April 08 2014 02:44 Jehct wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 02:42 Ravensong170 wrote:
On April 08 2014 02:37 BallinWitStalin wrote:
On April 08 2014 02:34 Ravensong170 wrote:
On April 08 2014 02:31 NbSky wrote:
Lmao EG is literally trolling an apparent top 5 team in the West..wow.


Its important to note that C9 is a different team when they play vs Liquid and EG. They outthink themselves and rarely play a comfortable draft/lanes for themselves. They are trying to push a square block through a circular hole. Its just dumb. They seem to have a mental block.

I reserve judgement on EG, but I feel that all of the top Chinese teams and Na'Vi/Alliance will poop on EG's playstyle.


I'm actually not sure they really did try something different this game. Their draft seems fairly standard (lesh is not often picked, but other than that seems reasonable)....

I think C9 just got outplayed :/


I dunno what is standard about them drafting a Lesh and Nyx support into a defensive trilane ? Both heroes are extremely level dependent and versus a Dazzle, darkseer and a SD (cause they knew it would be an aggressive tri). They had a VERY low chance of getting a kill with the disruption/shadowwave. That's a very questionable pick up. A jungler would have been a better choice (enigma/Chen) would've freed them up a lot more.

There is a reason Nyx support is uncommon nowadays and you can see that in this game. He is a do shit hero, who can't really do shit as a tri-lane support.

Hows picking a jungler against a potential axe/dazzle/sd trilane a good idea?


There was never that potential? I never said it was the best choice, but certainly better than a defensive tri with Lesh and Nyx. Artz was always playing the Axe mid. he has been grinding that hero on stream for the past two days. It was very obvious what was going on in the lanes. EG has run these heroes (except the axe) plent of times in the past. DS is a better hero with the Dazzle, SD in a trilane because of the ion shell and surge.
"what a terrible ass game, we should all kill ourselves." -EE-Sama
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 17:59:35
April 07 2014 17:54 GMT
#1350
I feel bad for Bone7. He still managed to get a 20 minute BoTs +Force + blink on bat, he really does manage to pull farm out of his ass.

It must be really frustrating dealing with someone like EE on your team.

EG will start losing eventually, not that I know what to draft to make it happen. At the moment the entire strat is draft 2 defensive supports (dazzle, treant, shadow demon) and sit on RTZ's dick the entire game to protect him (ember, naga, shadowfiend, in this case axe) while leaving Mason alone to go 0-0-0 at 25 minutes and farm 3 items before doing anything (unless he is puck). I'm sure some competitive team will figure it out, and besides, EG pretty much only plays vs NA teams at the moment so they haven't really been tested vs Asian/EU teams. I'm sure they'll do fine, it's not like they'll suddenly get slaughtered and never win anything, but I think this 100% winrate total dominance is a bit illusory.

Casters talk about versatility in EG's playstyle but there really isn't much imo. It's just protect RTZ and win lanes. If they meet a team where that doesn't happen perfectly in the first 10 minutes they'll probably lose. Universe always wins his lane, RTZ always wins his lane, if this doesn't happen the whole double defensive support + leave mason to farm solo for 20 minutes strat will fail; EG just controls the pace of the game every game. Maybe EG has other playstyles but they don't even need to change up the formula right now when they win every game using the same strat.
bluzi
Profile Joined May 2011
4703 Posts
April 07 2014 17:56 GMT
#1351
C9 just got reckt , EG is on fire , i hate to admit it , but Arteezy is the real deal if he gets rolling....i wonder if they are cool headed enough to make comebacks and get out of bad spots and not lose their cool (they will encounter such positions in TI4 for sure).
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 07 2014 17:57 GMT
#1352
On April 08 2014 02:54 Ganfei2 wrote:
EG will start losing eventually, not that I know what to draft to make it happen. At the moment the entire strat is draft 2 defensive supports (dazzle, treant, shadow demon) and sit on RTZ's dick the entire game to protect him (ember, naga, shadowfiend, in this case axe) while leaving Mason alone to go 0-0-0 at 25 minutes and farm 3 items before doing anything (unless he is puck). I'm sure some competitive team will figure it out, and besides, EG pretty much only plays vs NA teams at the moment so they haven't really been tested vs Asian/EU teams. I'm sure they'll do fine, it's not like they'll suddenly get slaughtered and never win anything, but I think this 100% winrate total dominance is a bit illusory.

The only real answer to this is "See you on LAN" aka Kiev next weekend.
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
April 07 2014 18:00 GMT
#1353
On April 08 2014 02:54 Ganfei2 wrote:
I feel bad for Bone7. He still managed to get a 20 minute BoTs +Force + blink on bat, he really does manage to pull farm out of his ass.

It must be really frustrating dealing with someone like EE on your team.

EG will start losing eventually, not that I know what to draft to make it happen. At the moment the entire strat is draft 2 defensive supports (dazzle, treant, shadow demon) and sit on RTZ's dick the entire game to protect him (ember, naga, shadowfiend, in this case axe) while leaving Mason alone to go 0-0-0 at 25 minutes and farm 3 items before doing anything (unless he is puck). I'm sure some competitive team will figure it out, and besides, EG pretty much only plays vs NA teams at the moment so they haven't really been tested vs Asian/EU teams. I'm sure they'll do fine, it's not like they'll suddenly get slaughtered and never win anything, but I think this 100% winrate total dominance is a bit illusory.


And then Fear shows up with tidehunter, ursa, or bountyhunter and starts rocking your world early to switch things up. Then they mix it up with giving him standard farm carries and there's yet another wrinkle added to drafting against them. Eventually they'll come down to earth some but it's only going to get crazier once the old man comes back to sit on his throne.
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bludragen88
Profile Joined August 2008
United States527 Posts
April 07 2014 18:01 GMT
#1354
On April 08 2014 02:54 Ganfei2 wrote:
Casters talk about versatility in EG's playstyle but there really isn't much imo. It's just protect RTZ and win lanes. If they meet a team where that doesn't happen perfectly in the first 10 minutes they'll probably lose. Universe always wins his lane, RTZ always wins his lane, if this doesn't happen the whole double defensive support + leave mason to farm solo for 20 minutes strat will fail; EG just controls the pace of the game every game. Maybe EG has other playstyles but they don't even need to change up the formula right now when they win every game using the same strat.


To be fair, they have won some games that they were behind in kills or towers at some point, even if they were against less threatening teams (like TL). They've also had a few games go relatively even into the late game and they still tend to win those. Not saying it'll be 100% by any means, but it's not like they're hopeless when they fail to snowball.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
April 07 2014 18:04 GMT
#1355
I like how EG has a totally different style from every other team. Very unique playstyle.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 18:06:59
April 07 2014 18:06 GMT
#1356
On April 08 2014 03:04 DucK- wrote:
I like how EG has a totally different style from every other team. Very unique playstyle.

Reminds me somewhat of 6.78 DK aka "Lol we'll just do what the fuck ever we want and win without breaking a sweat"

I think they could have won handily even if enemy teams had 15 bans instead of 5 lol.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
April 07 2014 18:06 GMT
#1357
On April 08 2014 02:54 Ganfei2 wrote:
I feel bad for Bone7. He still managed to get a 20 minute BoTs +Force + blink on bat, he really does manage to pull farm out of his ass.

It must be really frustrating dealing with someone like EE on your team.

EG will start losing eventually, not that I know what to draft to make it happen. At the moment the entire strat is draft 2 defensive supports (dazzle, treant, shadow demon) and sit on RTZ's dick the entire game to protect him (ember, naga, shadowfiend, in this case axe) while leaving Mason alone to go 0-0-0 at 25 minutes and farm 3 items before doing anything (unless he is puck). I'm sure some competitive team will figure it out, and besides, EG pretty much only plays vs NA teams at the moment so they haven't really been tested vs Asian/EU teams. I'm sure they'll do fine, it's not like they'll suddenly get slaughtered and never win anything, but I think this 100% winrate total dominance is a bit illusory.


If you think babysitting Arteezy and Mason is what makes EG so dominant right now, you're missing the trees for the forest.

Most Arteezy and Mason heroes (except Weaver) can have good impact with levels alone, which means as long as they can stay in exp range during laning they can still contribute during the mid game.

What teams really need to focus on is stopping ppd, Universe and especially Zai from getting levels and farm.

It's just like Alliance during TI3 days. Everyone focused on LodA and Bulldog, and then lost because Akke, S4 and EGM controlled the mid-game. Except Zai tends to be farmed even for late game.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
April 07 2014 18:07 GMT
#1358
On April 08 2014 02:54 Ganfei2 wrote:
I feel bad for Bone7. He still managed to get a 20 minute BoTs +Force + blink on bat, he really does manage to pull farm out of his ass.

It must be really frustrating dealing with someone like EE on your team.

EG will start losing eventually, not that I know what to draft to make it happen. At the moment the entire strat is draft 2 defensive supports (dazzle, treant, shadow demon) and sit on RTZ's dick the entire game to protect him (ember, naga, shadowfiend, in this case axe) while leaving Mason alone to go 0-0-0 at 25 minutes and farm 3 items before doing anything (unless he is puck). I'm sure some competitive team will figure it out, and besides, EG pretty much only plays vs NA teams at the moment so they haven't really been tested vs Asian/EU teams. I'm sure they'll do fine, it's not like they'll suddenly get slaughtered and never win anything, but I think this 100% winrate total dominance is a bit illusory.

Casters talk about versatility in EG's playstyle but there really isn't much imo. It's just protect RTZ and win lanes. If they meet a team where that doesn't happen perfectly in the first 10 minutes they'll probably lose. Universe always wins his lane, RTZ always wins his lane, if this doesn't happen the whole double defensive support + leave mason to farm solo for 20 minutes strat will fail; EG just controls the pace of the game every game. Maybe EG has other playstyles but they don't even need to change up the formula right now when they win every game using the same strat.



How's it surprising for bone7 to have farm? He's fucking batrider. It's common to have those items around that time no matter how much your team is getting shit on.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
April 07 2014 18:18 GMT
#1359
On April 08 2014 02:46 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 02:44 teapoted wrote:
On April 08 2014 02:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On April 08 2014 02:39 johnnyb211 wrote:
a good example of ayesee's ignorance of improving is that he still have not learned to hotkey the courier, so he could see after a kill where it happened/what item did the courier have. pretty much every semi professional/professional caster got this covered already

"Pretty much every".

Which in reality is "everyone except one caster asks where the courier died, and there's one guy that has a hotkey".

Tobi does, BTS guys do. That's basically all professional casters.


Makes me sad there's like 12 guys that are constantly casting and only like 5 can be called professional.

Well, I guess we knew 2gd guys are anything but "professional" :p.

Well I think there's more than 4 BTS guys, but yes your point stands.

Also, although I've never watched a cast in another language, I would bet that v1|at and the Chinese casters and etc have courier hotkeys.
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Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
April 07 2014 18:52 GMT
#1360
On April 08 2014 03:07 Daozzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 02:54 Ganfei2 wrote:
I feel bad for Bone7. He still managed to get a 20 minute BoTs +Force + blink on bat, he really does manage to pull farm out of his ass.

It must be really frustrating dealing with someone like EE on your team.

EG will start losing eventually, not that I know what to draft to make it happen. At the moment the entire strat is draft 2 defensive supports (dazzle, treant, shadow demon) and sit on RTZ's dick the entire game to protect him (ember, naga, shadowfiend, in this case axe) while leaving Mason alone to go 0-0-0 at 25 minutes and farm 3 items before doing anything (unless he is puck). I'm sure some competitive team will figure it out, and besides, EG pretty much only plays vs NA teams at the moment so they haven't really been tested vs Asian/EU teams. I'm sure they'll do fine, it's not like they'll suddenly get slaughtered and never win anything, but I think this 100% winrate total dominance is a bit illusory.

Casters talk about versatility in EG's playstyle but there really isn't much imo. It's just protect RTZ and win lanes. If they meet a team where that doesn't happen perfectly in the first 10 minutes they'll probably lose. Universe always wins his lane, RTZ always wins his lane, if this doesn't happen the whole double defensive support + leave mason to farm solo for 20 minutes strat will fail; EG just controls the pace of the game every game. Maybe EG has other playstyles but they don't even need to change up the formula right now when they win every game using the same strat.



How's it surprising for bone7 to have farm? He's fucking batrider. It's common to have those items around that time no matter how much your team is getting shit on.


Is there a reason you're being so hostile?
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