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On June 24 2014 02:52 PoP wrote:
Good to see Na'Vi playing well. Feel like Xboct and Funn1k can still refine their play a bit (though to be fair Funn1k tend to be put in really awful offlanes these days, especially that Tidehunter game a couple days ago).
Looking forward to the Fnatic game.
It's so depressing seeing your real name on this site lol. Where's the epic animation etc QQ
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On June 24 2014 02:47 Plansix wrote:
Why vanguard on Spector? Why? Vanguard doesn't do shit to cleave, all of bristles bullshit and doom gives no fucks about vanguard. Just get drums if you don't want to be nuked into the ground.
I've been playing Spectre a lot, and even though I agree that Vanguard isn't really useful item, it is good early game item for Sprectre since the patch that has changed Tranquil boots. You really need some form of HP and regen, and Vanguard does that, plus you can easily farm jungle with it anyway.
Drums are more for the early game fights and chasing, if you play that kind of Spectre, it is great, but sitting in the lane or trying to farm jungle for Radiance, while being constantly harassed or ganked, Drums really isn't doing a lot.
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On June 24 2014 02:49 LemOn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 02:47 Plansix wrote:
Why vanguard on Spector? Why? Vanguard doesn't do shit to cleave, all of bristles bullshit and doom gives no fucks about vanguard. Just get drums if you don't want to be nuked into the ground. what do you do about regen early midgame though? it's a pain farming the jungle with drums stick before radiance comes
Get a bottle? Don't spend 2250 gold on a useless item.
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On June 24 2014 02:54 Ramiz1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 02:47 Plansix wrote:
Why vanguard on Spector? Why? Vanguard doesn't do shit to cleave, all of bristles bullshit and doom gives no fucks about vanguard. Just get drums if you don't want to be nuked into the ground. I've been playing Spectre a lot, and even though I agree that Vanguard isn't really useful item, it is good early game item for Sprectre since the patch that has changed Tranquil boots. You really need some form of HP and regen, and Vanguard does that, plus you can easily farm jungle with it anyway. Drums are more for the early game fights and chasing, if you play that kind of Spectre, it is great, but sitting in the lane or trying to farm jungle for Radiance, while being constantly harassed or ganked, Drums really isn't doing a lot.
Yeah, it just seemed like the fuck, I don't know what I want build, but bristle keeps harassing me. I would rather am casual ring of health to a full vanguard, since is provides almost the same regen.
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On June 24 2014 02:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 02:49 LemOn wrote:On June 24 2014 02:47 Plansix wrote:
Why vanguard on Spector? Why? Vanguard doesn't do shit to cleave, all of bristles bullshit and doom gives no fucks about vanguard. Just get drums if you don't want to be nuked into the ground. what do you do about regen early midgame though? it's a pain farming the jungle with drums stick before radiance comes Get a bottle? Don't spend 2250 gold on a useless item.
I really think that you are underestimating Vanguard a lot. It is far far from great item, but nowhere near useless. Bottle won't help you much.
On June 24 2014 02:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 02:54 Ramiz1989 wrote:On June 24 2014 02:47 Plansix wrote:
Why vanguard on Spector? Why? Vanguard doesn't do shit to cleave, all of bristles bullshit and doom gives no fucks about vanguard. Just get drums if you don't want to be nuked into the ground. I've been playing Spectre a lot, and even though I agree that Vanguard isn't really useful item, it is good early game item for Sprectre since the patch that has changed Tranquil boots. You really need some form of HP and regen, and Vanguard does that, plus you can easily farm jungle with it anyway. Drums are more for the early game fights and chasing, if you play that kind of Spectre, it is great, but sitting in the lane or trying to farm jungle for Radiance, while being constantly harassed or ganked, Drums really isn't doing a lot. Yeah, it just seemed like the fuck, I don't know what I want build, but bristle keeps harassing me. I would rather am casual ring of health to a full vanguard, since is provides almost the same regen.
I have to remind you that Spectre killed a Bristle few times and was left ~200 HP each time. Without Vanguard, he would've been dead. 
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Against a Bristleback in lane you Have to go Vanguard unless you want your supports to babysit you until minute 15 (which is not how Empire plays Spectre)
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On June 24 2014 02:53 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 02:52 PoP wrote:
Good to see Na'Vi playing well. Feel like Xboct and Funn1k can still refine their play a bit (though to be fair Funn1k tend to be put in really awful offlanes these days, especially that Tidehunter game a couple days ago).
Looking forward to the Fnatic game. It's so depressing seeing your real name on this site lol. Where's the epic animation etc QQ
I feel so... normal here :[
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Yeah, I guess it's a draft issue, but it gave tiny time to get huge while Spector was really lack luster.
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Spectre remains a lacklustre pick in the vast majority of situations really.
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Yup. Spectre is good pick when you see that team isn't going for aggression in the early/mid game, or when they don't have amazing laning potential since Spectre has really awful laning phase. She is a lot more viable in Chinese "environment" when they are playing safe, farming DotA.
So, it was really questionable decision to pick Spectre as last hero when you are against Chen, Doom, Wisp and Tiny.
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Seemed to me they saw Io/Tiny and thought "Hm, Spectre can help counter-gank!"
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Yeah, they could've thought that, but using Spec's ulti and moving her from the lane to get one kill or something like that usually isn't worth it.
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On June 24 2014 03:49 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Yeah, they could've thought that, but using Spec's ulti and moving her from the lane to get one kill or something like that usually isn't worth it.
Depends. If you do it right you can reality back to the hero in your lane after killing the other lane.
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Alright Navi, a win today would make a fan really happy. If they can take this series vs Fnatic, they will be looking like someone that wont be a flopping fish at TI4. I've been counting them out of TI4 for the last week or two, really hoping they can prove me wrong here.
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On June 24 2014 03:51 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:49 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Yeah, they could've thought that, but using Spec's ulti and moving her from the lane to get one kill or something like that usually isn't worth it. Depends. If you do it right you can reality back to the hero in your lane after killing the other lane.
Most of the time you won't be killing a Hero in 2 seconds, and your first level of ulti doesn't last long enough. It isn't about you doing it right, it is about your team being able to burst down that hero in few seconds so you have time to reality back, but if they are able to do so then you aren't really needed, and you can just use ulti for kill or assist. It is also questionable if enemy hero on your lane is behind his tower etc... a lot of factors are needed for that to work.
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On June 24 2014 02:47 Plansix wrote:
Why vanguard on Spector? Why? Vanguard doesn't do shit to cleave, all of bristles bullshit and doom gives no fucks about vanguard. Just get drums if you don't want to be nuked into the ground.
I missed the game, but Silent will build a Vanguard on any and all melee heroes; Empire even gave him a safelane farming Sand King once and he still built a Vanguard.
It's kind of annoying.
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Does Navi still only run Brew offlane? Been a while since I got to watch their games.
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I'm not sure how much I like skywrath in this situation.
Any time earthshaker comes within a screen he eats a fissure + AA ult and ded ;;
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Dendi plays Brew mid sometimes.
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I think NaVi's lineup is greedier, but the casters keep saying Fnatics is. Am I missing something?
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