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On April 05 2014 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:01 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 05 2014 04:59 wuhan_clan wrote:On April 05 2014 04:58 andyrau wrote:I hate the 6.79 & 6.80 hero meta On April 05 2014 04:57 Kipsate wrote:
Demon yolo plays wards bottom how to deal with rhasta & rubick split push tho?? 6.79 was alright cuz everyone was trying out different shit after the huge changes but now its regressing. A lot of teams (C9 and EG in particular) are reverting back to heavy ricing lineups. Lycan is the hero of the patch though. Even his winrate agrees with that. You know, a month ago you were all tears that luna was so overpowered won every game QQQQQQQQQQQ etc. No changes, and now she's seen every so often. 6.80 is an INCREDIBLY GOOD patch. It still isn't properly figured out and the amount of heroes that are being picked across a wide variety of teams is HUGE. People whining about "this meta" or "this patch" are people who just like whining. Watch EG if you want legit picks lol.
I'm not whining, I've never liked the patch at all. I thought 6.78 was decent to watch as a spectator if you gave teams enough time to try different heroes out.
The problem with this patch is how much teams like to push.
At first you get more fighting and excitement, but then the meta switched to farming mids like naga with an escape, shit's even worse to watch than splitpushing prophet in its heyday.
obviously there are great things that changed such as the death of trilanes and nerfs to jungling, but I'm speaking about patches more in conjunction with hero lineups and playstyles rather than changes in mechanics, which I'm actually fine with.
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On April 05 2014 05:12 johnnyb211 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:10 Nedereden wrote:On April 05 2014 05:07 johnnyb211 wrote:
every push strat is now ratdota? newsflash, then navi played ratdota for 1,5 years before the term was even created Tell me when theyve won a straight series (after fluff leaving) without ratting in most of the games... Other than them Sneyking games? Do you srsly think that the Tier1 Teams on LAN arent gonna see thru this? not sure why is this relevant, I was just saying that what they did wasn't ratdota. just two minor remarks: t1 teams failed to stop alliance when they were doing pure ratdota, and C9 is a tier 1 team.
Fine.. its a push strat.. But still not gonna work in the long run... And thats my point. TI is months away... Player switches now are vital as you can see in EG with RTZ and the rest... If you make a wrong switch now you wont have any time to change later. And you guys think DeMon support will do it for us? K Time will tell I spose...
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is that a picture of Fear for demon's in game avatar?
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On April 05 2014 05:15 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 05 2014 05:01 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 05 2014 04:59 wuhan_clan wrote:On April 05 2014 04:58 andyrau wrote:I hate the 6.79 & 6.80 hero meta On April 05 2014 04:57 Kipsate wrote:
Demon yolo plays wards bottom how to deal with rhasta & rubick split push tho?? 6.79 was alright cuz everyone was trying out different shit after the huge changes but now its regressing. A lot of teams (C9 and EG in particular) are reverting back to heavy ricing lineups. Lycan is the hero of the patch though. Even his winrate agrees with that. You know, a month ago you were all tears that luna was so overpowered won every game QQQQQQQQQQQ etc. No changes, and now she's seen every so often. 6.80 is an INCREDIBLY GOOD patch. It still isn't properly figured out and the amount of heroes that are being picked across a wide variety of teams is HUGE. People whining about "this meta" or "this patch" are people who just like whining. Watch EG if you want legit picks lol. I'm not whining, I've never liked the patch at all. I thought 6.78 was decent to watch as a spectator if you gave teams enough time to try different heroes out. The problem with this patch is how much teams like to push. At first you get more fighting and excitement, but then the meta switched to farming mids like naga with an escape, shit's even worse to watch than splitpushing prophet in its heyday. obviously there are great things that changed such as the death of trilanes and nerfs to jungling, but I'm speaking about patches more in conjunction with hero lineups and playstyles rather than changes in mechanics, which I'm actually fine with.
So basically what you are saying is that you like to watch split-push more than direct push. Nothing more.
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On April 05 2014 05:15 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 05 2014 05:01 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 05 2014 04:59 wuhan_clan wrote:On April 05 2014 04:58 andyrau wrote:I hate the 6.79 & 6.80 hero meta On April 05 2014 04:57 Kipsate wrote:
Demon yolo plays wards bottom how to deal with rhasta & rubick split push tho?? 6.79 was alright cuz everyone was trying out different shit after the huge changes but now its regressing. A lot of teams (C9 and EG in particular) are reverting back to heavy ricing lineups. Lycan is the hero of the patch though. Even his winrate agrees with that. You know, a month ago you were all tears that luna was so overpowered won every game QQQQQQQQQQQ etc. No changes, and now she's seen every so often. 6.80 is an INCREDIBLY GOOD patch. It still isn't properly figured out and the amount of heroes that are being picked across a wide variety of teams is HUGE. People whining about "this meta" or "this patch" are people who just like whining. Watch EG if you want legit picks lol. I'm not whining, I've never liked the patch at all. I thought 6.78 was decent to watch as a spectator if you gave teams enough time to try different heroes out. The problem with this patch is how much teams like to push. At first you get more fighting and excitement, but then the meta switched to farming mids like naga with an escape, shit's even worse to watch than splitpushing prophet in its heyday. obviously there are great things that changed such as the death of trilanes and nerfs to jungling, but I'm speaking about patches more in conjunction with hero lineups and playstyles rather than changes in mechanics, which I'm actually fine with.
Trilanes died? I see them almost every game. All that changed is that dual lanes are situationally viable, but very rarely so.
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I don't even know what to say. You are simultaneously complaining that teams like to push, that teams like to farm, that teams like to rat... Like, is playing dota a problem? Maybe we should remove towers and just have constant 5-man fights at rosh for 20 minutes?
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On April 05 2014 05:17 wuhan_clan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:15 andyrau wrote:On April 05 2014 05:03 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 05 2014 05:01 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 05 2014 04:59 wuhan_clan wrote:On April 05 2014 04:58 andyrau wrote:I hate the 6.79 & 6.80 hero meta On April 05 2014 04:57 Kipsate wrote:
Demon yolo plays wards bottom how to deal with rhasta & rubick split push tho?? 6.79 was alright cuz everyone was trying out different shit after the huge changes but now its regressing. A lot of teams (C9 and EG in particular) are reverting back to heavy ricing lineups. Lycan is the hero of the patch though. Even his winrate agrees with that. You know, a month ago you were all tears that luna was so overpowered won every game QQQQQQQQQQQ etc. No changes, and now she's seen every so often. 6.80 is an INCREDIBLY GOOD patch. It still isn't properly figured out and the amount of heroes that are being picked across a wide variety of teams is HUGE. People whining about "this meta" or "this patch" are people who just like whining. Watch EG if you want legit picks lol. I'm not whining, I've never liked the patch at all. I thought 6.78 was decent to watch as a spectator if you gave teams enough time to try different heroes out. The problem with this patch is how much teams like to push. At first you get more fighting and excitement, but then the meta switched to farming mids like naga with an escape, shit's even worse to watch than splitpushing prophet in its heyday. obviously there are great things that changed such as the death of trilanes and nerfs to jungling, but I'm speaking about patches more in conjunction with hero lineups and playstyles rather than changes in mechanics, which I'm actually fine with. So basically what you are saying is that you like to watch split-push more than direct push. Nothing more.
uh how is naga direct push
naga's just send illusions in every lane
at least prophet only has global presence every 20 seconds.
naga defines splitpush far better than furion
On April 05 2014 05:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't even know what to say. You are simultaneously complaining that teams like to push, that teams like to farm, that teams like to rat... Like, is playing dota a problem? Maybe we should remove towers and just have constant 5-man fights at rosh for 20 minutes?
no i just don't like watching naga/es/lycan/whatever
stop misconstruing my words
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On April 05 2014 05:17 lolnoty wrote:
it's that a picture of Fear for demon's in game avatar?
DeMoN's idol Fear-Sama. Taller, bigger biceps, bigger legs and a star in his own movie
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On April 05 2014 05:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't even know what to say. You are simultaneously complaining that teams like to push, that teams like to farm, that teams like to rat... Like, is playing dota a problem? Maybe we should remove towers and just have constant 5-man fights at rosh for 20 minutes?
Remove all lanes beside middle. Remove jungle. All go mid.
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On April 05 2014 05:11 DavoS wrote:
This thread is kind of silly. Mini is the best unsigned player in the world because.... Sweden? And any strat based around killing buildings is ratting?
killing buildings should be called termiting
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On April 05 2014 05:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't even know what to say. You are simultaneously complaining that teams like to push, that teams like to farm, that teams like to rat... Like, is playing dota a problem? Maybe we should remove towers and just have constant 5-man fights at rosh for 20 minutes?
That's called heroes of the storm.
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C9 picking up dem signature heroes. What's next? The PotM pickup?
Called it!
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On April 05 2014 05:14 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:11 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 05 2014 05:07 Kuroeeah wrote:
Yes ember is more fair than Lycan...what? He is. In ember's case skill translates into hero farming. In lycan's case, if you get necro 3 and/or bkb opponent may as well write gg without further thinking. On April 05 2014 05:11 DavoS wrote:
This thread is kind of silly. Mini is the best unsigned player in the world because.... Sweden? And any strat based around killing buildings is ratting? To be honest, in this case it is just yolo pushing. It could easily translate into ratting, if Liquid would not end up just walking over C9's base in the end. you keep whining about this shit like u are even close to right. Remember luna? She didn't get patched. You just mis-evaluated her in the draft and teams figured out how to play. Lycan has MORE glaring weaknesses than luna, not less.
Name those weaknesses, for god's sake. I am glad, that luna is less picked, and am glad i was wrong (though seeing luna every 2nd game was boring). The relevant weakness of lycan is over-reliability on ultimate in teamfights and crap laning (well, he is melee). Giving ton of damage to your mid at times (that will probably result into winning it), insane pushing potential and midgame dps are kind of more relevant (funnily enough, the line-ups pros usually had luna in were indeed using midgame presence from luna together with pushing(usually fully provided by chen, teeheehee) and "free" damage from luna, guess what, lycan suddenly gets noticed and luna's pick rate drops ).
EDIT: Leoric ban, what a game. Wut, Spectre, again, but then again, what do i know (inb4 lane games).
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Liquid playing empire lineup. Should be good!
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On April 05 2014 05:20 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't even know what to say. You are simultaneously complaining that teams like to push, that teams like to farm, that teams like to rat... Like, is playing dota a problem? Maybe we should remove towers and just have constant 5-man fights at rosh for 20 minutes? That's called heroes of the storm.
Heroes has a fair amount of ratting. Abathur, Gazlowe, and Falstad are amazing rats.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Rat Dota would be avoiding fights and dragging the game out, wearing down the opponent with splitpush
I am pretty sure that game was more like get core items (Vlads, Meka etc) and push down all the things as 5.
Lycan and Furion might be rat doto heroes, that game was not a really good example of it.
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On April 05 2014 05:20 Acritter wrote:
C9 picking up dem signature heroes. What's next? The PotM pickup?
Called it!
All we need is Visage for Aui and we're done.
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TL with a very Empire-esque draft.
Should be good.
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i really like qojqva invoker
he makes qw interesting
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EPT
