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Terrorbladder
2719 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:18 lolfail9001 wrote: So, what was Loda's impact in the end? Rightclicking wise even OD would be better, and this was not a good silencer game anyways. ? he tried to choke as hard as possible to make the game interesting m8 | ||
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goody153
44237 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:21 CosmicSpiral wrote: If s4 didn't go HAM with the pickoffs, the game wouldn't have lasted until that point. He single-handedly kept Arteezy from snowballing out of control. i always forget that he plays batrider like how good he plays magnus | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:21 cecek wrote: He blinked, vacuumed, walled 5 players. It looks AMAZING, but it's not really that hard to do when the enemy clumps up, don't see you coming and a batrider is giving you vision. s4 MVP, EGM second MVP. i didnt say it was hard to do, im saying if he didn't vacuum wall in the pit the game would have been lost for alliance. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:23 Count9 wrote: I dunno, 1 PL or TB doesn't do shit compared to am/tiny/agi-morphed morph. Luna's decent I guess cause of the aoe. Metamorphosed TB's illusions, especially one that builds insane amounts of stats and agi in particular for some retarded reason, is more dangerous than some heroes. Once ds has aghs, it is more dangerous than most of carries themselves. And wall illusion of pl's danger is in phantom edge. Remember that one time when SD won a teamfight on the back of disruption on pl's illusion? | ||
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Nymzee
3929 Posts
carry silencer is the way forward boys | ||
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iv~nk~j
1140 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Yet, the game was mainly decided by EGM's, s4's and in the very end Bulldog's plays. Silence is good and fine, but once you have bkbs and good sense of timing, it stops matter. it doesnt when he also has refresher which was the case from 30min onwards | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:21 teapoted wrote: The fact that you need 4 BKB's and use them all because of a single spell is more than most spells do. If it was just Global Silence EG could have tanked up. The fact that Alliance did almost no damage through magic immunity was much more important. Alliance played it smart though. Ran down BKB timers with good roaming, got good pickoffs with Bat and kited/healed/graved like crazy until BKBs ran out in the few 5 on 5's they did take. | ||
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TheRubicon
United States1342 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:22 SKC wrote: No, and IIRC Alliance is basically out and EG is basically qualified, so they don't matter much. thanks! | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17641 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Yet, the game was mainly decided by EGM's, s4's and in the very end Bulldog's plays. Silence is good and fine, but once you have bkbs and good sense of timing, it stops matter. You don't give enough credit to Akke. Sure, Dazzle isn't usually the hero to get the spotlight but he did so much work this game. [A]lliance would crumble in most teamfights without him. Any of their heroes would basically insta-fold to shotgun and they wouldn't be able to live through epicenters and Mirana's pewpew. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:25 iv~nk~j wrote: it doesnt when he also has refresher which was the case from 30min onwards Except he used it in plenty of times so his ult had to be refreshed just to be used first time, let alone to silence bkb'd enemies. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:26 Manit0u wrote: You don't give enough credit to Akke. Sure, Dazzle isn't usually the hero to get the spotlight but he did so much work this game. [A]lliance would crumble in most teamfights without him. Any of their heroes would basically insta-fold to shotgun and they wouldn't be able to live through epicenters and Mirana's pewpew. Akke is my default credit player on Alliance. His graves were certainly amazing. And so were some weaves. | ||
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goody153
44237 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:26 lolfail9001 wrote: Akke is my default credit player on Alliance. His graves were certainly amazing. And so were some weaves. I agree i could not remember akke playing bad. But this game s4 was playing batrider like it's an extension of his body and EGM decision making of rubick is crazy | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:24 lolfail9001 wrote: Metamorphosed TB's illusions, especially one that builds insane amounts of stats and agi in particular for some retarded reason, is more dangerous than some heroes. Once ds has aghs, it is more dangerous than most of carries themselves. And wall illusion of pl's danger is in phantom edge. Remember that one time when SD won a teamfight on the back of disruption on pl's illusion? I'm not saying they're bad, just relative to am/tiny/morph I think they're worse. And 2 SD illusions is about twice as strong as 1 PL wall illusion (shocker) which means much higher chance that PLs spawn babies. I don't think TB out damages Tiny illusions or Morph illusions if everyone's 6 slotted, and am is just super annoying especially against an am to cancel void/blink mana. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:25 WolfintheSheep wrote: Well you're never dealing with 'just' global silence.If it was just Global Silence EG could have tanked up. The fact that Alliance did almost no damage through magic immunity was much more important. Alliance played it smart though. Ran down BKB timers with good roaming, got good pickoffs with Bat and kited/healed/graved like crazy until BKBs ran out in the few 5 on 5's they did take. Like 50% of the point of global silence isn't to stop people from casting spells. It's to force them into doing shit they don't want to or not at the time they want to do it. Even though BKB is a very obvious counter to global silence, you could also say that global silence is one of the best counters to BKB if played correctly. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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weiliem
2071 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:29 DucK- wrote: Akke had a lot of clutch graves. Egm stole so many great spells. S4 with his tempo game. Bulldog was meh except for that rosh vacuum. Loda just last hit and pressed R. Loda got away with a lot with that midas, a lot of that was on s4/egm killing mason and ppd a lot which was their gank squad to shut down loda after laning phase. | ||
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goody153
44237 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:29 weiliem wrote: I don't think this draft will work for any other teams though. Without execution as good as s4 and EGM, i doubt they would've won the game.... I really don't think silencer should be run as a solo carry.... should be dual core at least | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:28 Count9 wrote: I'm not saying they're bad, just relative to am/tiny/morph I think they're worse. And 2 SD illusions is about twice as strong as 1 PL wall illusion (shocker) which means much higher chance that PLs spawn babbies. I don't think TB out damages Tiny illusions or Morph illusions if everyone's 6 slotted, and am is just super annoying especially against an am to cancel void/blink mana. actually sd's and wall's illusion take same amounts of damage, maybe sd's 1.5 times less. Replicate chance is only related to amount of attacks they get off and wall illusions certainly do not have problems with that for first second or so with vacuum. Also, meta'd TB can easily have ~320's base damage with much higher attack speed and range. Tiny's illusion look shitty in comparison. Morph's are outdamaged too, unless for some insane reason you do not disassemble eblade into butterfly, like you should, though they attack faster. AM's are certainly annoying, but so are pl's. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On May 04 2014 03:28 Count9 wrote: I'm not saying they're bad, just relative to am/tiny/morph I think they're worse. And 2 SD illusions is about twice as strong as 1 PL wall illusion (shocker) which means much higher chance that PLs spawn babies. I don't think TB out damages Tiny illusions or Morph illusions if everyone's 6 slotted, and am is just super annoying especially against an am to cancel void/blink mana. Elder Titan can be extremelly legit as well. | ||
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