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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
November 01 2014 18:43 GMT
#19621
On November 02 2014 02:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Why do progamrs prefer maxing WD's stats over maledict. And why do they sometimes leave their voodoo restoration at level 2 and max stats instead?

There's a constant debate about this but basically Maledict is great on paper but more complicated to get as much out of as you would like. Meanwhile stats have obvious advantages especially on a hero who is a huge target during his ult and who wants a nice fat mana pool for sustain.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
November 01 2014 19:20 GMT
#19622
Maledict range is really bad and you want to have stayability to keep healing your team. Better for organized gameplay but much worse for ganking
Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
November 02 2014 16:44 GMT
#19623
On November 02 2014 02:04 Phantasmiq wrote:
Why do progamrs prefer maxing WD's stats over maledict. And why do they sometimes leave their voodoo restoration at level 2 and max stats instead?


I often do the same thing, simply because I can utilise the heal during the laning stage. WD is a walking Death Ward with an annoying stun... that can also heal in the laning phase.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 03 2014 04:45 GMT
#19624
On November 01 2014 11:21 KOFgokuon wrote:
There's a damage limit which i think Is 20 damage per instance. Stuff like rot level 1 and ion shell don't do enough damage
Sand storm level 1 also does insufficient damage

I think you can salve through rot until it's level 4 actually. At the very least, level 2 can be as well.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-03 16:25:11
November 03 2014 16:24 GMT
#19625
Maledict is a decent spell but it's TERRIBLE until you have it at least level 3. Since you *need* to be maxing your stun to have an impact as a low-level support, you can't get maledict 3 until at least level 8. Meanwhile, long before level 8 a point or two of heal will have a HUGE impact (its bonkers good) so you get those points delaying maledict even further and eventually u get to the point where maledict 4 isn't even good anymore, yet you still don't even have maledict 1. Then you skip maledict completely.

If you were like middoctor, then you could max maledict and go hammmmmm. Maybe.

oops im a day late
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-03 16:40:49
November 03 2014 16:39 GMT
#19626
Maledict also has higher relative value lategame compared to early game because of how it interacts with Magic Immunity: the debuff can be applied through Magic Immunity, and is not removed by it. It does magic damage, so it doesn't do damage during the Magic Immunity, but it continues to track incoming damage and applies it as normal once it's over. As such, Maledict has it's highest relative value as a skill once BKB durations have shortened down to 5-6 seconds (higher than before Magic Immunity is in play because damage dealt as a whole is so much higher later). You're not in a hurry to max it early game like most nukes.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 05 2014 08:19 GMT
#19627
say im a wraith king with 1hp and exactly enough mana for ult to proc on death. a diffusal carrier (or antimage) hits me and kills me. do i respawn? i.e. is the mana burn applied before or after the rest of the damage
:)
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-05 09:17:10
November 05 2014 09:16 GMT
#19628
TIL all three brewlings can fight through song.

What's the rationale for that? It's only the earth one that's actually magic immune, no?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 05 2014 09:31 GMT
#19629
Song doesn't affect Ancients, and Brewlings are classed as Ancients.

This also includes Warlock Golems, and Visage Familiars, among other things.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
November 05 2014 09:40 GMT
#19630
On November 05 2014 17:19 synapse wrote:
say im a wraith king with 1hp and exactly enough mana for ult to proc on death. a diffusal carrier (or antimage) hits me and kills me. do i respawn? i.e. is the mana burn applied before or after the rest of the damage

Best way to figure out these rare interactions is to load up a sandbox game and test it yourself :p
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
November 05 2014 10:18 GMT
#19631
Ah. That would do it.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 05 2014 17:55 GMT
#19632
On November 05 2014 18:40 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 17:19 synapse wrote:
say im a wraith king with 1hp and exactly enough mana for ult to proc on death. a diffusal carrier (or antimage) hits me and kills me. do i respawn? i.e. is the mana burn applied before or after the rest of the damage

Best way to figure out these rare interactions is to load up a sandbox game and test it yourself :p

i would, but currently dont have access to a computer with dota
:)
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
November 05 2014 19:03 GMT
#19633
Does sniper headshot still give truestrike? I feel like dota wiki's are not accurate for this.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 05 2014 19:04 GMT
#19634
On November 06 2014 04:03 Comeh wrote:
Does sniper headshot still give truestrike? I feel like dota wiki's are not accurate for this.

yeah if it procs u can't miss
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xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
November 06 2014 13:25 GMT
#19635
Trying to learn Nyx assassin offlane. I have improved leaps and bounds from my support Nyx days where I missed every single impale, but still have a problem: how to you know where to circumvent detection from enemies?

At the MMR (~4.5) I play you can get off one or two kills with your initial couple of vendettas, since most people don't buy detection pre-emptively. However they certainly do catch on after a while and I find it hard to engage.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
November 06 2014 13:43 GMT
#19636
By the time you get to the point where you're teamfighting and fighting into sentries, you should have blink. Vendetta is used less as an initiator and more to burst a squishy support down or to escape. You can also vendetta and scout their perimeter, whilst being wary that they probably have detection down.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
November 06 2014 18:36 GMT
#19637
also, if you have good ward vision, watch their movement as you're roaming the map while invis.

for instance, if you have radiant jungle warded above the t2 and you're stealth in the river..watch what anyone farming the jungle or lane does. if they stop CS'ing to back when half the wave is still there, they probably have ward vision on the river AND a sentry down.
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xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
November 06 2014 20:29 GMT
#19638
Thanks guys, I'll do that. I didn't actually know that nyx had to rush blink (I went for the classic noob pub dagon first build) but I just did it and I was much more useful when I could blink stun.
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
November 06 2014 22:38 GMT
#19639
witchdoctor mid toggling heal to mess with the enemy lasthits

legit y/n
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 06 2014 22:38 GMT
#19640
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