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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-07 17:14:29
February 07 2013 17:14 GMT
#6521
On February 08 2013 02:06 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 00:36 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On February 08 2013 00:34 Sephyr wrote:
On February 06 2013 19:08 yrt123 wrote:
On February 06 2013 18:49 Sephyr wrote:
On February 06 2013 15:09 Firebolt145 wrote:
On February 06 2013 09:10 Sephyr wrote:
The Stop command will make you act like a creep at times and like a normal hero at other times. Pretty sure it attacks the nearest creep if all aggro meters for the creeps are the same (including the range, sometimes melee creeps don't have the same aggro bar) but sometimes the aggro from the range creep is higher than the melee creep (due to the range creeps higher DPS) therefore the hero will stutter step and auto attack the range creep. If you notice this happening, just stutter step but A click onto the creep you wanna kill.

I'm 99% sure that dps doesn't affect the 'aggro meter' of a creep. The aggro from the ranged creep is higher than the melee creep only if the ranged creep attacks you while the melee creep is attacking other creeps.

This being my 10,000th post, I hope I'm not wrong. ^_^


I'm not 100% sure either as I just thought because the range creep did more DPS it has a higher aggro bar (something I just took from WoW from when I used to play.)

It's like when 3 melee creeps attack the tower along with 1 range creep, the tower will attack the range creep after killing the first melee creep that hit it. Though that could be because the range creep was the second creep to hit it. I've never actually tried finding out because after playing so much you kind of just innately know how the creeps are gunna act without actually knowing if you know what I mean haha.

e: Grats on your 10,000 post :D


Wrong. If you pay more attention, the reason for the tower hitting ranged creep is usually because the creeps from the tower side agro'd the melee creeps hitting the tower.
So the melee creeps goes and hit the creeps on the tower's side. But the ranged creep is out of range for agro so it continues to hit tower, hence tower hits it. If creeps continue hitting tower without interference tower will kill all melee creep first(it will also hit the creep nearest to the one it just killed,)
Or if you're one hero by the tower with creeps chasing you, tower will hit melee creeps first since they come in range first.
After that, sometimes ranged creep continues hitting tower instead of the hero, so tower hits back ranged creep(whatever is attacking it has highest agro, you see in pro games someone will hit the tower to take agro from a low health hero)
And of course right clicking hero in tower range agros tower.

I think its the same situation with your hero. If ranged creep is attacking you, it has agro so your hero will try to attack it once you stop spamming 'stop'.

On that note, does the 2 second rule apply for tower agro as well? I have only recently learnt of it.



O_O you're talking about a different situation to what I'm talking about. I never talked about creeps along with towers, you just added that in.
So do you have an explanation as to why when it's 3 melee creeps and 1 range creep that the tower switches to the range creep when there's still 2 melee creeps left and NO other creeps around?



Because the ranged creep is closer to the tower. It happens all the time when your support is pulling in the safe lane.

You're both wrong. =P

In that scenario the ranged creep catches tower aggro because it's attacking the tower while the melee creeps fight each other.

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He says there are no enemy creeps.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 07 2013 17:20 GMT
#6522
Wait what. Now it doesn't make any sense. Nevermind.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
GoldenWisp
Profile Joined November 2012
13 Posts
February 07 2013 21:26 GMT
#6523
I know, I know this question would appear before I am posting this one. But I am too freaking lazy to searching through all posts ever made. So here is my question: How to add a friend to DotA 2? It doesnt mean Steam friend. Just how to add friend in DotA 2? Thanks for help.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
February 07 2013 21:26 GMT
#6524
steam friend = dota friend
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 07 2013 21:27 GMT
#6525
On February 08 2013 06:26 GoldenWisp wrote:
I know, I know this question would appear before I am posting this one. But I am too freaking lazy to searching through all posts ever made. So here is my question: How to add a friend to DotA 2? It doesnt mean Steam friend. Just how to add friend in DotA 2? Thanks for help.


DotA 2 pulls your steam friends list. Steam friends are dota 2 friends.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
February 08 2013 02:53 GMT
#6526
Yep. Gotta add steam friend.
lazyitachi
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
1043 Posts
February 08 2013 03:20 GMT
#6527
You ask them out and sometimes buy them drinks so that they will be your friend.. Its tough..

Also facebook friends are NOT Dota 2 friends.
MeatlessTaco
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States302 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 03:35:08
February 08 2013 03:31 GMT
#6528
When the client is out of date, how do you get it to update for realsies?

self-answer edit: restart steam and look at the % update icon in your library page on steam.
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
February 08 2013 05:04 GMT
#6529
when randoming a character and you dont know what to build, can you give me a kind of "vanilla" build that I can use as a go to for

Agi
Str
Int

"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 05:08:05
February 08 2013 05:07 GMT
#6530
Courier, Flying Courier, Observer Ward, Tango, Salve, two Clarities.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8916 Posts
February 08 2013 05:16 GMT
#6531
On February 08 2013 14:04 Arisen wrote:
when randoming a character and you dont know what to build, can you give me a kind of "vanilla" build that I can use as a go to for

Agi
Str
Int



nowadays people seem to build tranq drums for like 90% of heroes lol
thats as vanilla as it gets
Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
February 08 2013 05:22 GMT
#6532
On February 08 2013 14:07 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Courier, Flying Courier, Observer Ward, Tango, Salve, two Clarities.


I mean into the game, i can figure out beginning builds
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
February 08 2013 05:25 GMT
#6533
On February 08 2013 14:04 Arisen wrote:
when randoming a character and you dont know what to build, can you give me a kind of "vanilla" build that I can use as a go to for

Agi
Str
Int



On February 08 2013 14:07 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Courier, Flying Courier, Observer Ward, Tango, Salve, two Clarities.


I agree to Nightmarjoo.

And a slightly serious, please build your hero according to the game. Think of a build when you have free farm (advantaged game) and a poor man build (disadvantaged game).

I tried to make some generalization on making build for 3types of heroes but it is too hard for me so i give up. I think it is easier if you put your hero into positionX and build accordingly but still it is very hard to give you a general 'vanilla' build on them.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
1godless
Profile Joined August 2011
United States247 Posts
February 08 2013 05:31 GMT
#6534
I asked earlier: Any good All random Death Match builds for fun pubs w/ friends?
The enemy's throne is down
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12142 Posts
February 08 2013 06:25 GMT
#6535
On February 08 2013 14:04 Arisen wrote:
when randoming a character and you dont know what to build, can you give me a kind of "vanilla" build that I can use as a go to for

Agi
Str
Int



Use recommended item build in the shop. It is never totally wrong, even if it is never fully right either.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
February 08 2013 06:29 GMT
#6536
The problem with your question is that a hero's role in a game is very often different from what you'd expect from their primary attribute. For example, Nyx may be agility based, but he is definitely not a carry that goes for butterfly/damage items. Instead, he focuses on mana regen at the beginning of the game, transitioning into more nukey/utility items like dagon, eblade, force staff etc. Another example is that Earthshaker is a strength hero, but you build him like a nuker with arcane boots, blink, shivas/refresher/aghanims/etc.

So in the end, the recommended item build is much better than anything we could give you here. Better yet, use 5-s's 30 second guide to every hero, found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298363
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 06:32:48
February 08 2013 06:32 GMT
#6537
^that guide is a significant patch behind, be aware of that while using it. besides that its freaking amazing.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
February 08 2013 06:32 GMT
#6538
When I'm free later I may ask 5-s if I may update it for him.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 06:35:35
February 08 2013 06:33 GMT
#6539
That would be great, I direct my friends to it when they ask me about guides (and it would be nice if it was updated so they dont wind up doing shit that makes no sense in this build in games with me).
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
February 08 2013 06:36 GMT
#6540
Apparently it has battlefury as a suggested item on Bounty Hunter.

5-s what have you done T_T
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