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McTeazy
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada297 Posts
January 25 2013 22:53 GMT
#6261
does anyone know if i can change the way boxing functions in the console? i know this is a huge long shot but it drives me mad that it doesn't behave the same way it does in sc2. i can't micro multiple things to save my life (i know boxing is bad, just click on them, but i'm not that good)
a person is smart, people are stupid
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 25 2013 22:54 GMT
#6262
On January 26 2013 07:40 Bleak wrote:
What is an effective aggressive trilane to shut down Naix ?

venom + smth + smth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Cyx.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 22:57:09
January 25 2013 22:55 GMT
#6263
On January 26 2013 07:46 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 07:40 Bleak wrote:
What is an effective aggressive trilane to shut down Naix ?

Depends on what supports the Naix has.

Something like CK/sven + lesh + x stunner could do well.


CK is a better bet than Sven - storm bolt is really easy to dodge with rage and in my experience Sven trilanes don't do amazingly against defensive Naix trilanes.

On January 26 2013 07:54 Erasme wrote:
venom + smth + smth.


also this, gale will still affect Naix if he rages and is thus pretty good against him, also very difficult to dodge gale with rage (though possible).
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 25 2013 23:13 GMT
#6264
On January 26 2013 07:53 McTeazy wrote:
does anyone know if i can change the way boxing functions in the console? i know this is a huge long shot but it drives me mad that it doesn't behave the same way it does in sc2. i can't micro multiple things to save my life (i know boxing is bad, just click on them, but i'm not that good)

Selection boxing has been awkward for a long time. I think at this point we're all waiting on some fixes to how smoothly it functions.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
January 25 2013 23:30 GMT
#6265
It may be because I haven't played SC2 for years now but what is it exactly about the selection boxes that everyone is complaining about?
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McTeazy
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada297 Posts
January 26 2013 00:20 GMT
#6266
On January 26 2013 08:30 Firebolt145 wrote:
It may be because I haven't played SC2 for years now but what is it exactly about the selection boxes that everyone is complaining about?


in sc2 you can draw a box so narrow it's simply a line and have it select all units along the line. in dota2 it doesn't work this way (dunno about dota1, been WAY too long since i played it)

basically you have to box AROUND the unit, and it seems so incredibly arbitrary as to how big the box has to be to actually select the unit. i may be wrong about it being arbitrary but the way the game feels for me because of it is pretty annoying.

i feel like i can control a single zealot amongst a whole army better than my hero, however a hero is exponentially more important than a zealot
a person is smart, people are stupid
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
January 26 2013 01:21 GMT
#6267
Dota2 feels like it has war3 boxing to me, sc2's is much much smoother. Sometimes you will feel like you have most of a unit boxed and it doesnt select it.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8941 Posts
January 26 2013 01:53 GMT
#6268
war3/scbw boxing was WAY better than dota2
the only games i played were brood war and dota 1, and they have similar if not the same boxing "feel". dota 2 just feels wrong
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
January 26 2013 03:55 GMT
#6269
On January 25 2013 17:57 crappen wrote:
Not sure if its simple question/answer but:
About last hitting. Any advice in how to get used to it (or just learn it) without going insane? I feel the entire game changed when I focus on it. I couldn't get any map awareness cause it took so much attention, and I failed like 60% even then, which didn't produce much joy. And occassionally I even lose track of the mousepointer, which makes a part of me outraged..Probably because of extreme tunnelvision.

Do you guys become so used to last hitting, that it feels automatic, so you can pay attention to all the other wonderful aspects of the game?

Don't try to improve it all at the same time.

Do a few games where you focus entirely on last hitting, even at the expense of getting ganked or missing stuff on the minimap. Then do some games where you focus on knowing what's going on on the minimap, even at the expense of last hitting or getting outlaned. Repeat focussed exercises like this for anything you want to improve, then go for a few games where you "just play". Watch in awe as you suddenly last hit way better and easier than before while also paying more attention to the minimap than before.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 26 2013 10:21 GMT
#6270
or practice glancing at the minimap while your attack animation goes off
there's no reason to look at the projectile anyway
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8941 Posts
January 26 2013 10:30 GMT
#6271
i got a question
do bash and crit still not work with phase (the active)?
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 26 2013 10:31 GMT
#6272
On January 26 2013 19:30 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i got a question
do bash and crit still not work with phase (the active)?

They work in Dota2, it's an intended change
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
January 26 2013 13:15 GMT
#6273
Anyone know what the first ever televised game of Dota 2 was, from The International 1? Just feel like watching it and seeing how far we've come ^_^
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-26 14:13:51
January 26 2013 14:11 GMT
#6274
On January 26 2013 22:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
Anyone know what the first ever televised game of Dota 2 was, from The International 1? Just feel like watching it and seeing how far we've come ^_^


Wasn't it that horrible Ehome vs maybe iG game, over 1 hour long with technical dificulties?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
January 26 2013 14:25 GMT
#6275
On January 26 2013 23:11 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 22:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
Anyone know what the first ever televised game of Dota 2 was, from The International 1? Just feel like watching it and seeing how far we've come ^_^


Wasn't it that horrible Ehome vs maybe iG game, over 1 hour long with technical dificulties?

Yeah it was, found it with help on IRC. Watched the first 15-20 minutes or so for nostalgic purposes, before the 'LAG' calls started coming in.
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
January 26 2013 15:06 GMT
#6276
On January 26 2013 06:17 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 05:53 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On January 26 2013 05:22 Firebolt145 wrote:
On January 26 2013 03:52 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On January 26 2013 03:22 TheYango wrote:
Phase+Janggo->Manta/BKB->Bfly/Satanic

Shadowblade is a good alternative to Manta for ganking/solo-killing.

Butterfly is generally a higher priority than MKB unless the other team has Evasion/miss chance you have to deal with.

Any reason to get drums over ring of aquila? Always thought they were more for supports or str heroes.

Drums is pretty much the default item you get. Aquila is the situational one, you get it if you're an agi carry AND you spam spells. Examples are Luna, PL, and sometimes Spectre when you find yourself spamming dagger a bit more.

I use my spells quite a bit with gyro o-o

What are you spamming on? Homing Missile isn't practical as a harass spell because you need a situation where it won't get killed, Rocket Barrage isn't that good to spam unless you're in positions where you can control the positioning for a few targets (you're doing it wrong if you're using it to farm), and Flak Cannon is low cost/medium-long CD.

Barrage to harass (or if I'm mid, to clear a creep wave quickly so I don't lose as much exp checking for a rune), and just missile /barrage / call down combo in a gank attempt. I find spamming barrage also leads to pretty efficient jungling before you have enough farm to just clear them with flak and your damage.
Dodge arrows
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 26 2013 17:45 GMT
#6277
On January 27 2013 00:06 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 06:17 TheYango wrote:
On January 26 2013 05:53 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On January 26 2013 05:22 Firebolt145 wrote:
On January 26 2013 03:52 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On January 26 2013 03:22 TheYango wrote:
Phase+Janggo->Manta/BKB->Bfly/Satanic

Shadowblade is a good alternative to Manta for ganking/solo-killing.

Butterfly is generally a higher priority than MKB unless the other team has Evasion/miss chance you have to deal with.

Any reason to get drums over ring of aquila? Always thought they were more for supports or str heroes.

Drums is pretty much the default item you get. Aquila is the situational one, you get it if you're an agi carry AND you spam spells. Examples are Luna, PL, and sometimes Spectre when you find yourself spamming dagger a bit more.

I use my spells quite a bit with gyro o-o

What are you spamming on? Homing Missile isn't practical as a harass spell because you need a situation where it won't get killed, Rocket Barrage isn't that good to spam unless you're in positions where you can control the positioning for a few targets (you're doing it wrong if you're using it to farm), and Flak Cannon is low cost/medium-long CD.

Barrage to harass (or if I'm mid, to clear a creep wave quickly so I don't lose as much exp checking for a rune), and just missile /barrage / call down combo in a gank attempt. I find spamming barrage also leads to pretty efficient jungling before you have enough farm to just clear them with flak and your damage.

If you're mid, you should be getting Bottle, which covers any potentially more aggressive mana needs.

Aquila is typically a side-laner regen item to supplement or hold duo/trilane pushes.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
January 26 2013 17:54 GMT
#6278
On January 27 2013 00:06 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 06:17 TheYango wrote:
On January 26 2013 05:53 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On January 26 2013 05:22 Firebolt145 wrote:
On January 26 2013 03:52 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On January 26 2013 03:22 TheYango wrote:
Phase+Janggo->Manta/BKB->Bfly/Satanic

Shadowblade is a good alternative to Manta for ganking/solo-killing.

Butterfly is generally a higher priority than MKB unless the other team has Evasion/miss chance you have to deal with.

Any reason to get drums over ring of aquila? Always thought they were more for supports or str heroes.

Drums is pretty much the default item you get. Aquila is the situational one, you get it if you're an agi carry AND you spam spells. Examples are Luna, PL, and sometimes Spectre when you find yourself spamming dagger a bit more.

I use my spells quite a bit with gyro o-o

What are you spamming on? Homing Missile isn't practical as a harass spell because you need a situation where it won't get killed, Rocket Barrage isn't that good to spam unless you're in positions where you can control the positioning for a few targets (you're doing it wrong if you're using it to farm), and Flak Cannon is low cost/medium-long CD.

Barrage to harass (or if I'm mid, to clear a creep wave quickly so I don't lose as much exp checking for a rune), and just missile /barrage / call down combo in a gank attempt. I find spamming barrage also leads to pretty efficient jungling before you have enough farm to just clear them with flak and your damage.

Barrage to harass is right, but flak cannon is much better at pushing waves to check rune. And if you're mid and doing this you'll have a bottle which is more than enough regen instead of an aquila. If you're not mid you won't be using spells that much apart from when gank attempts happen, for which an aquila is more than enough.

Barrage is only efficient when used with a similar concept to juggernaut's ult - with few enemy heroes and no creeps around etc. Flak cannon is much better for farming.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
January 26 2013 18:01 GMT
#6279
Barrage compares best to leshracs edict in usage
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
January 26 2013 18:11 GMT
#6280
What are some decent Silly Bear builds?

Is radiance rush still considered good if you get the farm and space for it?
In what cases do you want thunder hammer, and then what's your build going to look like after it?

I have an idea of how Bear might look late game, but I'm not sure of how you'd want to build him through-out the game, i.e. what order you'd want to grab your items in, and if you'd want to buy certain components or not before finishing items.
you gotta dance
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