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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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lazyitachi
1043 Posts
Vanguard, Deso, Manta, Butterfly, Buriza | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On January 16 2013 23:19 Unleashing wrote: Why would you ever get vanguard on VS if you intend to build her as a carry? Because it's a build from 2009? | ||
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ZerG~LegenD
Sweden1179 Posts
Edit: Turns out i was trying to dodge undodgeable spells. It works just fine with most spells and attacks. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
Well, we're not in 2009 anymore.  | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Liar. In 2009, carry VS is about getting sny! | ||
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
On January 16 2013 13:45 TyrionSC2 wrote: How does one most effectively use chronosphere as faceless void? Should he initiate with it and target the carry? --If you initiate then you can get more in the bubble perhaps and you will run less of a chance of getting teammates. But if you do initiate with it and don't do well enough with it then you initiated and you're likely to die as a result. If you don't initiate with it and use it mid fight you may not be able to get as many kills with it, and you may get teammates stuck in it. If you save it then you just don't have it. Also, is it worth it to use it randomly to gank their hard carry? This is not a "simple question" unfortunately. It changes depending on lineups and teams. In the mid-game, you probably want to position chrono to get as many enemies as possible without getting your team. In late-game, you're void so you can probably solo kill the other team's carry in a 1v1 situation. In those situations it's more important to chrono the other team's supports as long as you have teammates who can help lockdown the other team's carry. If it's a situation where you don't want to kill the other team's carry first (like a spectre) you probably want to lock down the other team's damage and kill off their supports as quickly as possible. Does the other team have long range counter-initiation like tidehunter/warlock? You probably want to wait until the fight engages so you don't waste half your chrono being stunned. Be warned that if they do initiate, you're probably going to have to chrono at least one teammate to lock down the other team's damage dealers. The 4-5man chrono is a rare occurrence. Be happy to lock out important heroes and give your team a 5v3 or 5v2, because it will often be enough. If it's late game and you can win a fight without the other team's carry (like a BF AM who has taken all the jungle and lane farm for his team) then definitely blow chrono to kill their AM because you will be able to push without chrono if you get that kill. So, there's a ton of factors that you have to weigh. Just think about what you want to do before you get to the situation where you need to do it and it'll make it easier to land good ones. | ||
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 17 2013 11:13 Nevuk wrote: The +armor aura from vlad's and ac not stacking is the same as dota 1, correct? Correct. Vlad's, Basi, and AC all use the same buff ID Devotion Aura. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
you have to tank for your wolves early on, after vlads is done they're fine by themselves tho i haven't done it in awhile but from what i remember that's how you do it | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 17 2013 10:48 fuzzy_panda wrote: Hey guys just wondering, what's the most efficient way to jungle Lycan? The nerf on the wolves hit pretty hard...hopefully the boost the starting health of the wolves back up to maybe even 300 would help a lot. 200 is just so little =_= http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255901¤tpage=292#5837 Lycan jungling information from last time it was discussed. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
you want to start with hatchet shield hp pot, ferry 2 hp pots and 2 mana pots asap wolf ez camp, wolf ez to hard camp, ferry 2hp/mp pots, wolf ez to medium camp, wolf ez to hard camp, basi, etc it takes a bit of micro tho | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
next level mathcraft | ||
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fuzzy_panda
New Zealand1681 Posts
Edit: Also thanks for all the Lycan advice, will experiment a little bit with them to get the timings down  | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
You start with a Ring of Basillius and a set of tangos (don't get a health pot, you need to regen while fighting). The ring is a must by the way, and you need to leave it on. With it your wolves get bonus armor and you will be able to regen enough mana to cast wolves when they run out (or shortly afterward I forget the exact timing at the moment). Obviously first you immediately go small camp and kill it off, allowing your wolves to take as little damage as possible. The next step is the tricky part. The only non-easy camps you can do with level 1 wolves are the following Mud golems, 4 satyr camp, and possibly the troll camp (not sure on this one as I have been pretty lucky/unlucky in practice when doing this). If you get centaurs, ursas, or the big satyr just ignore it for now. You won't be able to do any of these till later. From there just bounce back and forth between easy camps and hunting for the listed camps above. After you get 350 gold, get the ring of health. It'll provide pretty much all the regen you'll need to sustain in the jungle (till you get your mask and complete your vlads at least). I'm going to compare with what Dead9 suggested tomorrow, but I feel like the RoB is a better way. I know I can almost continually cast wolves with it, no need for buying extra regen, and can sustain jungling very well. Plus it means you don't have to worry as much about the wolves as they can tank just a little bit more. The biggest concern IMO is if the enemy comes to gank you. If you feel like you're going to be pressured it might be better to go with Dead9's advice. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
maybe with full hp and micro, but i have no idea everything else is doable tho i'll test out rob later tonight i suppose | ||
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