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Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
January 17 2013 04:01 GMT
#6081
On January 17 2013 12:54 Dead9 wrote:
oh i didn't get any ursas in my practice runs, idk if you can kill them
maybe with full hp and micro, but i have no idea
everything else is doable tho
i'll test out rob later tonight i suppose


Let me know what you find, I'd be interested to hear which is faster.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 04:14:46
January 17 2013 04:13 GMT
#6082
hatchet shield is faster
the rob method works okay but i think it's faster if you ferry a shield + hppot right away anyway

edit: the issue with the rob is that you can't take on some hard camps, even centaurs and satyrs give you issues
also with no hatchet you can't clear ez camp before the 1 minute mark, so you have to stack it manually which is more annoying
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
January 17 2013 08:12 GMT
#6083
Clarities are terrible, because you have to wait 30 seconds without getting damaged, and your wolves will not survive that long at level 1. It probably takes less time to suicide than to wait 30 seconds (I'm mostly a lone voice advocating suiciding, so take my advice as you will). You can pull, but running back and forth without hitting is slower than just attacking/tanking.

Quelling blade is important, because your damage output is very significant compared to level 1 wolves. You could try skipping the stout shield when you start, but I'm not sure if you'd last long enough to tank for 3 summons of wolves.

Avoid ursas until you have level 5 and medallion. Jungling is moderately dependent on your spawns, since the levels are not balanced. Trolls warlords are by far the best, then medium satyr camp, then golems, then big satyr camp, then small camps. Wildkin are the worst exp wise, then ogres, then centaurs.

More on suiciding: paradoxically, at level 2 you want to minimize experience. So if you reached 2 and find a centaur camp, kill the crappy small centaur first, then die will chipping away at the big centaur. Enemies ganking you is ironically good for you (relatively speaking), so long as you know when they're trying to gank you. If you suicide in time before they gank you, they just waste time and you get a free trip to base.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 17 2013 08:54 GMT
#6084
but you're not level 1 when you use clarities
you're level 3 and they can tank the ez camp at that level
i'm pretty certain regen ferrying is faster than suiciding
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
January 17 2013 09:16 GMT
#6085
Have you tried it?
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 17 2013 09:19 GMT
#6086
no, but when you ferry regen you constantly kill creeps, so it's pretty much impossible for suiciding to be faster
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
January 17 2013 09:59 GMT
#6087
For you, what is the most efficient jungler ?
I bet Axe or Ursa. Mb enigma ..
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
January 17 2013 10:23 GMT
#6088
Enigma definitely #1.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 17 2013 10:29 GMT
#6089
enigma is op in jungle
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FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
January 17 2013 11:22 GMT
#6090
Axe is stronger when good at stacking imho. But Eni is the best jungler in terms of great jungling + great teamfighting abilities once he hits 6.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
January 17 2013 11:42 GMT
#6091
On January 09 2013 03:51 nojok wrote:
I have some questions considering inventory management with supportive heroes. So I have boots, wand, TP, wards, often dust , often a bracer. I'm full. What items should I get as I don't have a really good experience from sharing dust/obs with others players who don't buy it themselves.

Also tp boots wand & bottle on ganker from mid often leads to fast full inventory. So same problem here.

A last question, I spend tons of gold on TP scrolls, often buying two at the same time after death, one to go lane (pay for itself, I consider this tp as free XP) & an other one if I need too. However sometimes it seems I should not have put TP on cooldown even if it seemed safe from minimap. Any tips to choose to TP or walk? But tbh it happens more often when map is not well warded so the problem may not lie there.


On January 09 2013 04:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
There are a lot more tips I'm skipping, but turning the bracer into Drums of Endurance is nice, even if your team already has one (more charges, etc).

Full inventory isn't a bad thing, just start selling items (wand/bottle) once you fill the other slots. Also, you can use the chicken as extra slots for warding (by intelligently swapping items with it etc). Remember, having wards in your inventory isn't helping much, so no need. You can keep them on the courier and bring them to yourself when you wish to use them, if nothing else. Sentries are a bit different, but usually I try to have only 1 item slot taken by wards/detection at a time (obviously this is after 20 mins, once I'm actually looking to free up my slots as a support).

TP'ing to lane is generally considered bad in higher-tier play but in pubs you can usually get away with it. Just be aware of the other team's plan. If they are looking to push or gank other lanes, JUST WALK (especially if you have tranquils). If they are farming up and your team isn't looking to do much either, TP to a free lane is indeed free XP. Obviously its fine to TP to a lane if you guys are looking to achieve something in that lane. TPing to place wards is pretty questionable as well, I'd rather run in, ward, then TP out asap XD.


I'm starting to have games in very high now thanks to you. The problem is I still sux at last hitting, I'm mechanically bad, probably due to picking random all the time. But now I can really help my team way more. However the skill level is not that different from normal games, it's more about teamplay understanding rather than heroe understanding. People group way more, a bit more wards, more pulls, a bit less flame, more TPs, less carries, more chat. It really does not take that much to climb to higher level of play when you start from normal.
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Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
January 17 2013 11:55 GMT
#6092
Hey, so does anyone know the way to see your mmr? I read somewhere that you do it over the watch function in dota, but i can't remember the process entirely. I tried searching, but only found this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289478
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
January 17 2013 12:02 GMT
#6093
Go to 'watch recent games', filter, type your name in, filter games by very high/high/normal and see where most of your games are.
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Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
January 17 2013 13:53 GMT
#6094
On January 17 2013 21:02 Firebolt145 wrote:
Go to 'watch recent games', filter, type your name in, filter games by very high/high/normal and see where most of your games are.

Yes. That's the one. Thank you very much
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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
January 17 2013 14:03 GMT
#6095
On January 17 2013 22:53 Kotreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 21:02 Firebolt145 wrote:
Go to 'watch recent games', filter, type your name in, filter games by very high/high/normal and see where most of your games are.

Yes. That's the one. Thank you very much

As far as I understood, that is NOT your mmr, but it's the "general skill level of the game".
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Gr1m.R
Profile Joined October 2012
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 14:34:11
January 17 2013 14:16 GMT
#6096
How do you jungle lycanthrope after the nerf? I have seen lots of different builds and paths, which one is the most effective?

Of course you need to micro wolves etc, but i would like to know the item build and the jungle route.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
January 17 2013 14:25 GMT
#6097
On January 17 2013 23:03 Testuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 22:53 Kotreb wrote:
On January 17 2013 21:02 Firebolt145 wrote:
Go to 'watch recent games', filter, type your name in, filter games by very high/high/normal and see where most of your games are.

Yes. That's the one. Thank you very much

As far as I understood, that is NOT your mmr, but it's the "general skill level of the game".

It's the average MMR level of all the members of the game. So if you have lots of games in high but only 1 or 2 in very high, then you're in high.
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DW-Unrec
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
492 Posts
January 17 2013 14:37 GMT
#6098
On January 17 2013 18:59 VelJa wrote:
For you, what is the most efficient jungler ?
I bet Axe or Ursa. Mb enigma ..


ursa is a terrible jungler. The best junglers are the ones that have summons, thats for sure
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
January 17 2013 15:59 GMT
#6099
On January 17 2013 23:37 DW-Unrec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 18:59 VelJa wrote:
For you, what is the most efficient jungler ?
I bet Axe or Ursa. Mb enigma ..


ursa is a terrible jungler. The best junglers are the ones that have summons, thats for sure

mmm i'm not ok
Ursa is pretty in sick in Jungle bro
his passive + attack speek make him really good for farm hard creeps ... and no mana dependant
its too really easy to defend urself if someone want to gank you

btw i like play jungle until i get phase / vlad (level 8/9 with one or two kills) then roshan then .... GANKGANKGANK
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Baggage
Profile Joined October 2012
Hong Kong593 Posts
January 17 2013 16:53 GMT
#6100
On January 17 2013 23:16 Gr1m.R wrote:
How do you jungle lycanthrope after the nerf? I have seen lots of different builds and paths, which one is the most effective?

Of course you need to micro wolves etc, but i would like to know the item build and the jungle route.


Somebody else asked this question and was answered here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255901&currentpage=291#5818

On Lycan you have to tank a lot more than previously and you can't summon wolves every time they're off cd. Jungling patterns are mostly the same as before, avoid Ursa Camps, Wildkins and Centaurs at early levels. At level 5 you can begin to do some of the harder camps.

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