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meijin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States141 Posts
December 19 2012 18:07 GMT
#5381
is it intentional that the slow from veno gale remains on naix when he uses rage? doesn't seem like it should.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 19 2012 18:15 GMT
#5382
On December 20 2012 03:07 meijin wrote:
is it intentional that the slow from veno gale remains on naix when he uses rage? doesn't seem like it should.

Intended.

In DotA 1, both Veno Gale and ult were treaded as physical-typed debuffs. While being magic immune prevents the spell from taking effect on you at all, the fact that the debuff is physical-typed means that it doesn't get removed.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 19:19:17
December 19 2012 18:15 GMT
#5383
It is intentional. Veno's passive will also slow you while you're magic immune though neither will do damage.

On December 20 2012 03:15 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2012 03:07 meijin wrote:
is it intentional that the slow from veno gale remains on naix when he uses rage? doesn't seem like it should.

Intended.

In DotA 1, both Veno Gale and ult were treaded as physical-typed debuffs. While being magic immune prevents the spell from taking effect on you at all, the fact that the debuff is physical-typed means that it doesn't get removed.


Magic Immunity doesn't make you immune to poison in the wc3 engine. Mountain King gets slowed by dryads for instance because it is the slow poison debuff. This debuff is physical as you pointed out which means magic immunity does nothing. Not sure if DotA had a special case for this. You do get slowed in dota2 just tested (although you don't take damage from it which seems weird). Anybody know why?
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 19:06:22
December 19 2012 19:03 GMT
#5384
dryads slow is passive, passive goes through magic immunity (jinada and such) it was the same in wc3 (non dota)
whats your point ?
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-19 19:19:48
December 19 2012 19:15 GMT
#5385
On December 20 2012 04:03 Erasme wrote:
dryads slow is passive, passive goes through magic immunity (jinada and such) it was the same in wc3 (non dota)
whats your point ?


Veno W is a passive slow. I was under the impression that the poison still did damage though. Didn't actually ask the question I was getting at. Edited my previous post ^_^
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alphafuzard
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1610 Posts
December 19 2012 20:04 GMT
#5386
How did the orb mechanic transfer from dota 1 to dota 2? For example, I know that antimage couldn't make use of the mana burn from dblade because the orbs didn't stack, but is this true in dota 2?
more weight
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
December 19 2012 20:20 GMT
#5387
On December 20 2012 05:04 alphafuzard wrote:
How did the orb mechanic transfer from dota 1 to dota 2? For example, I know that antimage couldn't make use of the mana burn from dblade because the orbs didn't stack, but is this true in dota 2?

Well it *shouldn't*. Your specific example at least, as diffu blade and mana burn are essentially the same skill the effects should never stack.

It's a difficult thing to answer, as IceFrog was reportedly quite unhappy with the engine limitations of WC3 that prohibited orb stacking.
Now it shouldn't work because of parity between Dota 1 and Dota 2 and will probably stay that way until parity between games is discontinued.
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negon
Profile Joined February 2012
212 Posts
December 19 2012 20:23 GMT
#5388
Ye, you can only use one orb effect at a time, with a few exceptions (ie Maelstrom won't block other orbs when it doesn't proc).
u sixpoll?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 19 2012 20:23 GMT
#5389
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=5071

Orb effect interaction thread.

By and large orbs still don't stack, though there are a few new interactions (orbs that don't proc on every attack can apply other orbs on the non-proccing attacks). The biggest difference is that rules about which orbs override which orbs has been cleaned up--but you still by and large shouldn't be attempting to stack multiple orbs.
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sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
December 20 2012 06:31 GMT
#5390
Orb of Venom Nevermore into guaranted triple raze

viable ?
Put quote here for readability
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 20 2012 07:01 GMT
#5391
On December 20 2012 15:31 sandyph wrote:
Orb of Venom Nevermore into guaranted triple raze

viable ?


How does a 4% slow guarantee you a triple raze exactly?
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sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
December 20 2012 08:09 GMT
#5392
ah yes, thought its 12% for all , turned out just for melee
Put quote here for readability
FreeZer
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden288 Posts
December 20 2012 08:23 GMT
#5393
How does slark essence shift work? Does it refresh the duration every hit? What if you hit several enemies? Do you refresh on both at every hit or do you suddenly have two split stacks?
Ahh Scept-- hey where did you come from?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 20 2012 08:36 GMT
#5394
On December 20 2012 17:23 FreeZer wrote:
How does slark essence shift work? Does it refresh the duration every hit? What if you hit several enemies? Do you refresh on both at every hit or do you suddenly have two split stacks?


Each stack is accounted for individually.
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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
December 20 2012 12:44 GMT
#5395
On December 18 2012 17:41 bardtown wrote:
Why are all admiral bulldog's replays unavailable? I want to examine his builds and playstyles. Who else plays a top tier silly bear?


AdmiralBulldog's stream, enjoy

http://www.twitch.tv/admiralbulldog
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whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-20 15:34:03
December 20 2012 15:31 GMT
#5396
I am playing solo offlane versus tri-lane with escape hero type of Bounty Hunter, Weaver, Qop, etc..

My question is, what is the best way to play versus that? Should I just wait back very very defensively and level without last hitting, and try to get one or two last hits here and there and avoid to die? Is that enough for me or should I do more? I mean they are 3 on that lane, they can't level fast than me anyways..

If they are pulling is it critically mandatory for me to go invisible and put ward there? I mean this question is stupid, since I should do that so enemy creep can come to my tower..

Any advices how to play solo offlane vs trilane and not be criticaly behind in levels and get some gold anyways?
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Tuco
Profile Joined September 2010
China200 Posts
December 20 2012 16:09 GMT
#5397
Hi, sometimes when buying an item in the side shop it goes into my inventory other times it goes into my stash. This behaviour seems completely arbitrary and is really annoying. Has anyone else experienced this and can they offer some recommendations? (NB I obviously have space in my inventory for the item)
cheers
negon
Profile Joined February 2012
212 Posts
December 20 2012 16:28 GMT
#5398
@whereismymind
Yes, ward the pull spot. Don't die, don't die, don't die. Stay in the exp range and make sure to always have your escape mechanism ready. Lasthits are not worth it if they mean a potential death. Don't die, leech exp, go gank other lanes once you get some levels.
@Tuco
Side shop only has some items, so if you're buying something that's not there, it will be bought in the fountain shop instead and put in your stash. See http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Side_Lane_Shop for the list of available items.
Another reason could be you standing barely outside of the shopping range, causing the game to treat you just like if you were buying stuff elsewhere on the map outside of any shop.
u sixpoll?
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
December 20 2012 16:28 GMT
#5399
It will go into the stash if it isn't a sideshop item or you are out of shop range, so basically you either aren't buying at the sideshop or you can't buy it there
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
December 20 2012 16:29 GMT
#5400
Good way to check if you're actually within shopping range is that the 'Shop' button in the bottom right of your UI lights up when you're within range.
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